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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

In case you won't want to read this, I'll put it in a collapsible tag.

I'm not certain if they can save Nagant with normal medical care, considering her injuries. She isn't dead yet, likely live long enough for her final words. Though I don't see what sort of information she can give them, I highly doubt AFO told her anything that can screw him over.

Either Recovery Girl is close by, and she's capable of healing this level of injury, or Chisaki reveals he can still use his Quirk and save her.

Also consider this, Chisaki has literally no reason for being here, Horikoshi could've just had AFO tell Nagant what Izuku looked like or pointed towards the previous Sports Festival to see for herself. No reason to have Chisaki along just to ID Izuku and be a hostage. Since you could accomplish a hostage situation with anyone, just have a random civilian that hadn't evacuated.

If Chisaki can use his Quirk, I'd imagine he'd bargain with them, he'll save Nagant but in exchange they take him to the boss. He might not fully heal her too, maybe put her in a type of coma so they can't turn their back on the deal.

Though I don't think I've ever been right with my speculations before, she'll probably just die next chapter with some final words, that seems more likely.
 
I think Deku taking Overhaul to the boss in exchange for using his quirk to help Nagant might play into his current narrative of understanding villains. He would be seeing the direct reasoning Overhaul is doing what he’s doing, and it gives parallels to Shigaraki being in debt to AFO, raising again the question of “can he be saved?”

Or she could die. Either would be fine by me, she’s so far served her purpose in the story.
 
Yeah the energy exploding over recoil makes much more sense.
If it was just recoil, it wasn't just Deku's arms that's gonna suffer from it, it's gonna be his entire body. He still feels some sort of recoil with higher percentages AFAIK but not as much because of how OFA works.
 
About Twice; each successive Clone is more fragile, as in, they die from even less damage than the one before them, but are they all the same strength in terms of AP?

Like, Plus Ultra Shigaraki 1 can dust a city and All Might level physicals. Plus Ultra Shigaraki 50000 is the same but can die from a paper cut?
 
AtomicSekiro said:
About Twice; each successive Clone is more fragile, as in, they die from even less damage than the one before them, but are they all the same strength in terms of AP?

Like, Plus Ultra Shigaraki 1 can dust a city and All Might level physicals. Plus Ultra Shigaraki 50000 is the same but can die from a paper cut?
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It's more like each clone has less stamina, his first clone disappears when it takes damage comparable to breaking an arm, and with each subsequent clone, they disappear with even less damage.

That means you still need to be strong enough to break Shigaraki's arm to destroy his first clone.
 
Well it's finally time to make a profile for Lady Nagant. I already have a sandbox ready but we need to discuss one thing first.

Does Lady Nagant scale to 45% or 30%?

In the latest chapter, Izuku stated "I was using OFA at 45%, Danger Sense, Smokescreen, Blackwhip, Fa Jin, and Float." There was only one time he used Smokescreen in this fight, and that was two chapters ago. Which implies Izuku has been using 45% since the beginning, since he was apparently at 45% when he activated Smokescreen. If he was switching between 45% and 30%, he would've mentioned it right? Since that would've added even more to his parallel processes.

So would it be alright to scale Nagant to 45%?
 
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AtomicSekiro said:
But they have identical stats, speed and AP wise?
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Yes, Twice explains that the sole difference between the clone and the original is their stamina.
TheRustyOne said:
So would it be alright to scale Nagant to 45%?
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Lady Nagant's bullet grazed Deku's shoulder when he was spinning around a building at 45% in this chapter, so she should scale.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Well it's finally time to make a profile for Lady Nagant. I already have a sandbox ready but we need to discuss one thing first.

Does Lady Nagant scale to 45%?

In the latest chapter, Izuku stated "I was using OFA at 45%, Danger Sense, Smokescreen, Blackwhip, Fa Jin, and Float." There was only one time he used Smokescreen in this fight, and that was two chapters ago. Which implies Izuku has been using 45% since the beginning, since he was apparently at 45% when he activated Smokescreen. If he was switching between 45% and 30%, he would've mentioned it right? Since that would've added even more to his parallel processes.

So would it be alright to scale Nagant to 45%?
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I mean in attack potency (The bullets) technically although since pressure and surface area is a thing she downscales not that much tho since the bullets are big
And 45% Gets blatantly grazed

Her arm also despite still getting damaged badly withstood a Faux 100% Shockwave and wasn’t completely blown off
 
Forgot about that graze, yeah she scales.

So... Does her rifle arm get Low 7-B dura via recoil, since she can injure 45% Izuku by jabbing it into his stomach?
 
Yes, Twice explains that the sole difference between the clone and the original is their stamina.
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Stamina and durability.
 
Twice, while under the effects of a Truth Quirk Chapter 149 "Only difference from the original is endurance! The clone'll just crumble away after a certain amount of damage. How much depends on the person."
 
Gitagon said:
In before people misinterprete or over scale Fa Jin:
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Um... all of that is powered by Izuku's 45%. They don't posses a separate power from himself, propelling himself at 45% is still just 45%.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
About Twice; each successive Clone is more fragile, as in, they die from even less damage than the one before them, but are they all the same strength in terms of AP?

Like, Plus Ultra Shigaraki 1 can dust a city and All Might level physicals. Plus Ultra Shigaraki 50000 is the same but can die from a paper cut?
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Their durability is the same but their stamina is different. All of them can get injured by the same thing but if it is a later clone, something that would just hurt for an earlier clone could lead it to dissolve.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Forgot about that graze, yeah she scales.

So... Does her rifle arm get Low 7-B dura via recoil, since she can injure 45% Izuku by jabbing it into his stomach?
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She should also somewhat scale in speed or at least perception since she clearly turned her head or at least eyes to follow Deku's movements and make an analysis. Though obviously she's slower than him in movement speed but the speed at which she can perceive things is obviously very high.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Well it's finally time to make a profile for Lady Nagant. I already have a sandbox ready but we need to discuss one thing first.

Does Lady Nagant scale to 45% or 30%?

In the latest chapter, Izuku stated "I was using OFA at 45%, Danger Sense, Smokescreen, Blackwhip, Fa Jin, and Float." There was only one time he used Smokescreen in this fight, and that was two chapters ago. Which implies Izuku has been using 45% since the beginning, since he was apparently at 45% when he activated Smokescreen. If he was switching between 45% and 30%, he would've mentioned it right? Since that would've added even more to his parallel processes.

So would it be alright to scale Nagant to 45%?
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Both. Deku's Full Cowl might be at 30% but he's definitely using 45% at the moment of impact so we can assume all his kicks and movements were all 45% since at least in War arc we know he uses 45% for kicks and even movement when he rushes Shigaraki both times.
 
She can't scale to both, what are you talking about?

She cannot be both 8-A and Low 7-B.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Um... all of that is powered by Izuku's 45%. They don't posses a separate power from himself, propelling himself at 45% is still just 45%.
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Yeah, but I more or less wanted to point out Black Whip was used both times Deku used Faux 100% as a sort of spring/slingshot and to also change directions which is probably what built up the centrifugal force mentioned as he was turning around the buildings.
 
TheRustyOne said:
She can't scale to both, what are you talking about?

She cannot be both 8-A and Low 7-B.
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Well I guess 45% then. But again Deku isn't the only character in MHA whose power varies. Like for Nagant for example, her ordinary rifle is obviously different from the one she used this chapter and she explicitly said this bullet would be faster than the previous ones.

And realistically, there should be a huge gap between 45% and Faux 100%.
 
That huge gap should only barely be more than 2x in universe, since 45% and 100%...

Apparently he's been using 45% this whole time or most of the time, if he was just activating 45% for moments in his limbs he would've said that. Instead he says he's been using One For All 45%. "I was using OFA at 45%, Danger Sense, Smokescreen, Blackwhip, Fa Jin, and Float." There was only one time he used Smokescreen in this fight, and that was two chapters ago. Which implies Izuku has been using 45% since the beginning, since he was apparently at 45% when he activated Smokescreen. If he was switching between 45% and 30%, he would've mentioned it right? Since that would've added even more to his parallel processes.
 
AFO probably has Doctor Garaki make multiple replicas of the same quirk. He did it with the All for One quirk itself, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same with other quirks.
 
When Deku says “I was using OFA 45% (bunch of quirks) and it made me froze up...” wasnt he just referring to the time he was outputting full blast smokescreen, using blackwhip to throw items, Fajin and then 45% to jump through the skyscraper, which he then froze up and Nagant got her hit in on his stomach? That all happened within seconds from their POV. He wasn’t using 45% the entire time. He can only do that in shorter bursts. He most likely used 45% to blitz Nagant through the building.
 
If he was switching back to 30% he would've mentioned it. If he was using it in his limbs only, once again he would've mentioned it. He just says he was using 45% OFA, he doesn't make any mentioned of switching back down or only using it in his limbs, since that would also mess up his parallel process as well, so it should've been mentioned.

Her bullets can injure 45% Izuku without a doubt, as she did so while he was swinging from the building to get to Chisaki. Unless we're saying 30% Izuku can catch and deflect bullets which can harm 45%. Also if she was only 8-A than Izuku could just use 45% to tank her attacks with no damage.
 
Her bullets from her Nemesis Mutation looking arm, aka her “max power arm” can hurt 45% Deku. Her regular rifle over a distance of 1km still hurt him but he was able to catch them with danger sense. That... makes sense. And her bullets still hurt him a lot and he was mostly saved due to Mid Gauntlet not having his arm blow off, acting as armour.

Deku used 45% from when he was using smokescreen to when he grabbed Nagant, then he froze up as his parallel processes got confused, she hit him, then he went back down to 30% and only using Fajin and Blackwhip like he said.
 
When did he say he was using 30%, can you please point it out to me? Highly doubt she increased the power of her arm by over multiple thousands of times. In fact she never mentioned wanted to get more power, just to increase the velocity of her attack. She was more worried about speed of her bullets than power.

Why would she launch an attack that was thousands of times stronger than 30%, against someone she has to take alive?

Can you point out a moment where Izuku said he was using 30%. Because he said he's been using 45% not 30% and switching to 45%. It makes no sense for him to say I was using 45%, he would say I've been switching to 45% for short burst or something.

Edit: Also the speed difference as well, she didn't notice any speed increase until he used the Faux 100%. Pretty sure a jump from 30% to 45% speed would've shocked her, since 45% can outpace Gran Torino who is a lot faster than 30%. Izuku himself stated he's been using OFA 45%, that's all we got. No mention of him switching around.

Also the Mid-Gauntlets might be able to handle his 45%
 
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Unless Deku suddenly got stronger in a coma, 30% is his constant limit. 45% is short bursts.

She wants to take him alive? Well, I can’t explain why she tried shooting him through the stomach a chapter ago.

30%, + 45% in his legs at the point of attack with Fajin.
 
In the Paranormal Liberation Arc, Deku used 45% for extended periods of time, and not just at the moment of impact like Bakugo claims.

This means that Deku was already close to dominating this percentage. The human body gets stronger in the process of tearing your muscles and recovering, which is called hypertrophy, so Deku should be stronger now after his muscles quickly recovered thanks to Recovery Girl.

Of course, if this was real life, it would have taken months for Deku to fully recover, and he would have loss muscle mass as a result, but this is not the case here.
 
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