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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Kingofwolves999 said:
I’m quite interested in how this is gonna go down. Because he is clearly not going to come quietly with this woman since he just activated Full Cowl. Should be an interesting encounter, especially if Overhaul actually does anything.
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Unless villain lady is incredibly competent and strong in combat, I feel like she’s gonna get washed. Overhaul is odd cause he’s quirkless right? So what’s he gonna do? At most he might talk Deku into complying
 
Because his best feats at 100% are only comparable to weakened AM post losing One For All, not Prime AM.

I’d argue Full Cowl 100% is absolutely stronger, but that’s for another day.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Because his best feats at 100% are only comparable to weakened AM post losing One For All, not Prime AM.

I’d argue Full Cowl 100% is absolutely stronger, but that’s for another day.
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But its stated that Deku is comparable to prime All Might and even All Might says Deku will inherit all of his strength.
Feats are limitations.
 
As he said, currently nothing compares 100% Izuku to Prime All Might, even Prime All Might's actual power is Unknown, we just know he's stronger than his other states.

100% Izuku was shown to be equal to Movie All Might who is vastly weaker than his Prime Self. Of course Izuku has gotten stronger, but we don't have any idea how much strong he is now, nor do we know how it compares to All Might.
 
TheRustyOne said:
As he said, currently nothing compares 100% Izuku to Prime All Might, even Prime All Might's actual power is Unknown, we just know he's stronger than his other states.

100% Izuku was shown to be equal to Movie All Might who is vastly weaker than his Prime Self. Of course Izuku has gotten stronger, but we don't have any idea how much strong he is now, nor do we know how it compares to All Might.
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There are many things that can be used to compare Deku’s strength to All Might’s.
Its not like it’s literally stated multiple times that he was comparable to All Might in strength.
Disregarding the fact that its stated, All Might also says that his physical strength would go into Deku, meaning regardless Deku 100%= All Mights.
This was also wounded All Might, who is stated to =young AM aka prime AM.
So Deku should scale to 100% AM. As ive stated, feats arent limitations.
 
TheRustyOne said:
As he said, currently nothing compares 100% Izuku to Prime All Might, even Prime All Might's actual power is Unknown, we just know he's stronger than his other states.

100% Izuku was shown to be equal to Movie All Might who is vastly weaker than his Prime Self. Of course Izuku has gotten stronger, but we don't have any idea how much strong he is now, nor do we know how it compares to All Might.
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Izuki simply clashed with a cube along side AM, nothing here implies they are equal in strength. I fail to see why you would make this claim and believe it supports your reasoning.
 
I still wanna see Deku get shot at and do a Superman moment of just standing there as bullets bounce off him. So far Hori hasn't prioritized showcasing Deku's durability like he did with speed and strength

Deku needs his own High-tier 100% feats for his tier to be solid. Scaling is nice and all and one can say that using MHA lore, 100% Deku should be = or > than Prime All Might but he needs his own feats to stand on his own.
 
TimmyTurnero said:
There are many things that can be used to compare Deku’s strength to All Might’s.
Its not like it’s literally stated multiple times that he was comparable to All Might in strength.
Disregarding the fact that its stated, All Might also says that his physical strength would go into Deku, meaning regardless Deku 100%= All Mights.
This was also wounded All Might, who is stated to =young AM aka prime AM.
So Deku should scale to 100% AM. As ive stated, feats arent limitations.
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The issue with all of this, however, is that Izuku has nothing to show for it, nor do we even have a frame of reference on Prime All Might’s power to confirm these claims are referring to him specifically. All Might claimed Deku would have all of his power, but the second he gave him One For All, they both realized that he didn’t actually know anything about how to teach him or how different his version of OFA would be.

In my opinion, Deku is limiting himself when he uses 100%, though subconsciously I would argue. This is shown in how he performs at Full Cowl 100% vs normal 100%. Even in the movie, Heroes Rising, we see a clear difference in strength between the two, where 100% fails to stop a tornado from Nine while FC 100% (with Bakugo’s help) easily blasts a tornado literally thousands of times bigger.

It’s not that his 100% isn’t on Prime AM’s level, or that he doesn’t have the power. I believe it’s simply that he never draws out that full power except with Full Cowl 100%, which he can’t use since it would cripple him instantly outside of specific circumstances like Eri and Katsuma’s quirks, hence why he didn’t use it against Shigaraki despite wanting to go all out. If Full Cowl 100% was the same level of strength as normal 100%, he would’ve used it then, and not settled for the bootleg version he used in a rage.

So at least in my view, FC 100% is his actual => Prime AM strength while normal 100% is just putting him at Weakened All Might level, which is simply due to that being the limit of his body. That’s also why 45% Full Cowl can be in the same tier as his 100% despite the difference in percentages being huge; his cowl is stronger than a single limb immensely.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
The issue with all of this, however, is that Izuku has nothing to show for it, nor do we even have a frame of reference on Prime All Might’s power to confirm these claims are referring to him specifically. All Might claimed Deku would have all of his power, but the second he gave him One For All, they both realized that he didn’t actually know anything about how to teach him or how different his version of OFA would be.

In my opinion, Deku is limiting himself when he uses 100%, though subconsciously I would argue. This is shown in how he performs at Full Cowl 100% vs normal 100%. Even in the movie, Heroes Rising, we see a clear difference in strength between the two, where 100% fails to stop a tornado from Nine while FC 100% (with Bakugo’s help) easily blasts a tornado literally thousands of times bigger.

It’s not that his 100% isn’t on Prime AM’s level, or that he doesn’t have the power. I believe it’s simply that he never draws out that full power except with Full Cowl 100%, which he can’t use since it would cripple him instantly outside of specific circumstances like Eri and Katsuma’s quirks, hence why he didn’t use it against Shigaraki despite wanting to go all out. If Full Cowl 100% was the same level of strength as normal 100%, he would’ve used it then, and not settled for the bootleg version he used in a rage.

So at least in my view, FC 100% is his actual => Prime AM strength while normal 100% is just putting him at Weakened All Might level, which is simply due to that being the limit of his body. That’s also why 45% Full Cowl can be in the same tier as his 100% despite the difference in percentages being huge; his cowl is stronger than a single limb immensely.
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So instead of debunking my argument you just put your personal opinion on Deku’s quirk, aka head canon. I have proved that In those scenes it was referring to prime Am. Full cowl is a mode, so of course it would boost his power. Full cowl= ofa spreaded out throughout his entire body, it simply has a greater effect than just using Ofa in a single limb. So my argument still applies. 100% Deku=> Prime Am and full cowl is even stronger
 
TimmyTurnero said:
So instead of debunking my argument you just put your personal opinion on Deku’s quirk, aka head canon. I have proved that In those scenes it was referring to prime Am. Full cowl is a mode, so of course it would boost his power. Full cowl= ofa spreaded out throughout his entire body, it simply has a greater effect than just using Ofa in a single limb. So my argument still applies. 100% Deku=> Prime Am and full cowl is even stronger
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I was making conjecture and sharing what I believed was occurring from all the story telling and feats, but you want a debunk? Fine.

Where is the claim that he has Prime AM’s power specifically coming from? Do any of the characters shown other than All Might have any frame of reference for his power? Has prime AM even been brought up in relation to Deku’s strength?

I would like to remind you that All Might, after being weakened in his fight, was capable of fooling literally all of society that he was still in peak condition, despite becoming far weaker. That means he has never exerted power publicly in his peak that his weakened forms can’t replicate. So your whole argument, which banks on the statements of others that he is All Might’s level, falls apart due to no one even knowing what that level is. Every comparison made to All Might is referring solely to what they have seen, which is only what he has allowed them to see, which is not much better than his Weakened state.

As for All Might, that statement means nothing since it’s obvious he has all his power. The issue is that he has never displayed anything past what Weakened All Might is capable of, implying either Weakened All Might post losing One For All is the exact same strength as his prime or that he isn’t using all of it. Regardless of the interpretation, Deku has nothing showing he is far stronger than Weakened AM.
 
TimmyTurnero said:
This was also wounded All Might, who is stated to =young AM aka prime AM.
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This is saying that All Might's strength is decreasing faster than it was. Not that Wounded is equal to Prime All Might. If anything this shows Wounded isn't equal to Prime as his numbers had been decreasing ever since he got wounded.

Personally I agree with kingofwolves and believe that a Wally West is being pulled here. That Deku is subconsciously holding himself back so he doesn't surpass his mentor.
 
Mageman460 said:
This is saying that All Might's strength is decreasing faster than it was. Not that Wounded is equal to Prime All Might. If anything this shows Wounded isn't equal to Prime as his numbers had been decreasing ever since he got wounded.

Personally I agree with kingofwolves and believe that a Wally West is being pulled here. That Deku is subconsciously holding himself back so he doesn't surpass his mentor.
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No, it literally says “why is your quirk levels decreasing so quickly? Even if you were wounded in your fight against All for one, to suddenly get these numbers are unusual”.
This directly proves that his quirk levels dropping was because of the transfer, as this literally says his strength was not dropping. This is reinforced by the fact that Am says he cant tell the secret of OFA, proving his strength only dropped by transferring the quirk. Wounded AM= Prime Am. You havent debunked that.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
It’s not that his 100% isn’t on Prime AM’s level, or that he doesn’t have the power. I believe it’s simply that he never draws out that full power except with Full Cowl 100%, which he can’t use since it would cripple him instantly outside of specific circumstances like Eri and Katsuma’s quirks, hence why he didn’t use it against Shigaraki despite wanting to go all out. If Full Cowl 100% was the same level of strength as normal 100%, he would’ve used it then, and not settled for the bootleg version he used in a rage.
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This actually makes sense.

Why? Think about how punching someone works. You don't just hit them with the force of only your arm. Talented boxers actually use their entire legs and even waist to deal most of the damage. If you want to test this, try throwing a punch without moving your body at all, and do the opposite. The results are drastically different.

Deku here is only using 100% into his arms most of the time. Full Cowling 100% would logically be exponentially stronger. And thanks to the fact that the force which travels up through his legs and torso is probably increased far more than simply a boxer utilizing his entire body to punch, it would explain most of the higher-end calculations we get for 100%.
 
TimmyTurnero said:
No, it literally says “why is your quirk levels decreasing so quickly? Even if you were wounded in your fight against All for one, to suddenly get these numbers are unusual”.
This directly proves that his quirk levels dropping was because of the transfer, as this literally says his strength was not dropping. This is reinforced by the fact that Am says he cant tell the secret of OFA, proving his strength only dropped by transferring the quirk. Wounded AM= Prime Am. You havent debunked that.
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Does anyone actually have a clearer picture of that chart in the background? The initial decrease, where it first turns red is dated back to the AFO fight when AM was wounded. There is a second dramatic drop more recently, which is what David Shield is referring to in this scene. Yes the quirk levels dropping drastically was because of the transfer, however there was a slower decline before the transfer that is visualized in that chart.
 
Mageman460 said:
Does anyone actually have a clearer picture of that chart in the background? The initial decrease, where it first turns red is dated back to the AFO fight when AM was wounded. There is a second dramatic drop more recently, which is what David Shield is referring to in this scene. Yes the quirk levels dropping drastically was because of the transfer, however there was a slower decline before the transfer that is visualized in that chart.
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Its head canon to assume that the first drop in power is because of the wound, especially when its said beint wounded isnt going to cause the power drop. We see the power dropping then its constantly getting lower and lower and lower and lower. This is implied to be because of the quirk transfer.
 
TimmyTurnero said:
Its head canon to assume that the first drop in power is because of the wound, especially when its said beint wounded isnt going to cause the power drop. We see the power dropping then its constantly getting lower and lower and lower and lower. This is implied to be because of the quirk transfer.
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False, we know the wound makes him weaker, that’s blatant as hell. You’re telling me that missing organs, having a limited time on his quirk usage, and his body literally wasting away to a stick figure isn’t weakening him? You’re simply wrong. David Shield is talking about the second drop which is several times worse than the first drop and the most recent.

The first part of the graph is his numbers in his prime, with the highest peak being right before he fights AFO, which is where it drops.

The second part of the graph, the first drop, is after the fight with his wound. It is a long, steady decline, showing him losing time and power due to the damage. David Shield already knows about that wound, it happened 5 years ago.

The third part of the graph, which is the most recent, shows him losing more power in a few months than he ever has in 5 years. That’s because he lost One For All and only has the embers. That is what David is freaking out about. The scene is very obvious in what it’s telling about the timeline of All Might’s power loss.
 
Heck, in that very scene, the symbol for the big drop is the one that glowing bright red and flashing. He’s clearly talking about that part, not the first drop.
 
At the end of the day it's all about feats. For a solid tier, feats are the best evidence.

I know this site is all about power scaling but it's best to depend on feats especially for the key characters so that their profiles remain solid. I already have my own fair share of issues with how the High-ends are scaled but those guys are mostly non-important.

Deku as the MC will have more eyes on him. It's better to just wait till he actually showcases feats of that level. If Hori did it with All Might, he could easily have Deku replicate the weather changing feat in the manga, or heck, another feat on the same level as the Storm dispersal feat from the movie.
 
A feat on the level of the storm dispersing feat would be dismissed as an outlier just as the Heroes Rising feat was
 
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Lol
 
From a non-canon gag manga spin-off.

Funny, but not relevant to the profiles.
 
I’m actually very curious if Uraraka is headed towards a quirk awakening. I feel a lot of the circumstances needed for her quirk to evolve have been set up with the stress and danger she’s going to be facing for the conclusion of all of this.
 
Some of the students should be bound to have quirk awakenings at some point, but they need to be put to the extreme situations just like Shigaraki and Toga did (technically the only one who counts to have an awakened quirk is Toga, since Shigaraki's quirk was nerfed, he just found the means to properly control it).

Though I am honestly not a fan of quirk awakenings, I like the stuff like Bakugo figuring out new techniques with his Explosion far, far better as it reflects the growth of their skills while in a life-or-death situation.
But since the concept is already introduced, Horikoshi should commit to it.
 
Metalballrun said:
Some of the students should be bound to have quirk awakenings at some point, but they need to be put to the extreme situations just like Shigaraki and Toga did (technically the only one who counts to have an awakened quirk is Toga, since Shigaraki's quirk was nerfed, he just found the means to properly control it).

Though I am honestly not a fan of quirk awakenings, I like the stuff like Bakugo figuring out new techniques with his Explosion far, far better as it reflects the growth of their skills while in a life-or-death situation.
But since the concept is already introduced, Horikoshi should commit to it.
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I'd prefer is they did awakenings like Amajiki more. Characters train and push their quirks for a long time and discover new aspects to their ability.
 
Fan translations are always on some weird stuff.

General feel of the chapter is the same, which is nice. Deku seems a lot more excited to be meeting sniper lady than they portrayed though, he’s no where near scared or shocked, just hyped to have a lead.
 
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