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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

More images out and yeah, he doesn’t seem to be getting blitzed at all by the bullets. They’re faster than him I’m sure, but he catches the first and blocks the second, at the cost of damage to the Mid Gauntlet. So he’s definitely keeping up more than what these leakers were implying.

This is why you don’t trust those unreliable guys, their perceptions of chapters are usually wrong.
 
Clark said:
Her quirk allows her to shoot every bullet in the world right? I'm assuming this is just down to large caliber ammo.
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Not really? She can create bullets using her hair, but there's no bullet in the world that could push Deku dozens of meters.
 
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Yeeeeeah there is no way we can even come close to guessing how fast her shots are because...that isn't a normal ******* gun and she isn't shooting normal bullets considering they can send Deku flying back a few dozen feet

Also between being sleep deprived and the fact that he managed to block one of the bullets, the idea that Deku was tagged by a sniper round is a bunch of anti-wank bullshit
 
He blocked even the second one too with his left arm though it ripped through the gauntlet and bruised him.

In fact the fact that it bruised his arm shows how much of a pack her hair bullets hold.

Also it seems she can amp her physical strength or something with her arms when they are done transforming like when opening Overhaul's door. I'm still wondering if her other arm also has a transformation.
 
This chapter once again accentuates one of my biggest problems with MHA. The series hasn't really been able to emphasize what exactly is the bigger picture of the flaws of hero society. Horikoshi has scattered bits and pieces of it here and there but he has never really put them together into a cohesive idea that truly makes me question the underlying flaws of society as a whole, that I would understand why some people like Lady Nagant would go as far as they have come to destroy it.

And the worse part as for why this is the case, is because Deku never reacts to it. He's pretty much within his own little bubble of "I'm gonna be a hero and save everyone!" His views about the hero society has never been challenged. In fact the only internal conflict Deku has had since his self-doubt in the earlier part of the series, is whether or not he should kill Shigaraki.

Anyways, rant over. Going over the positive things about this chapter and arc:

I like how slow the pacing is. I like characters to have long, drawn out 1v1 fights. The War arc really disappointed me with how less fights actually happened (even if the ones that did happen were great). Though I expect this fight to be over next chapter or the next next one.
 
I'm also thinking if her eyesight is 3 kilometers she also probably has enhanced sight. Though she seemed to have a one-sided visor in her flashbacks.
 
Being able to accurately snipe a phone out of someone’s hand at night while it’s raining without a scope from 1 kilometer away is not normal at all. Then add on that she’s curving the bullets to hit precisely as well.

She absolutely has some enhanced eyesight/senses.
 
The episode was pure flames.

Iida, Todoroki and Ojiro all looked great.

If they continue this level with Deku and Bakugo's fight then everything will be fire.
 
After running some calculation checks, I calculated Deku's softball throw to actually be in the range of Mach 11. This was him only concentrating One for All into his fingertip, and he produced Hypersonic+ results.

It wouldn't be completely outrageous to suggest a speed upgrade at this point, for 100% at least.
 
Earthyboy said:
After running some calculation checks, I calculated Deku's softball throw to actually be in the range of Mach 11. This was him only concentrating One for All into his fingertip, and he produced Hypersonic+ results.

It wouldn't be completely outrageous to suggest a speed upgrade at this point, for 100% at least.
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What formula was used? Doesn't getting speed usually need time, which I didn't see on the blog.
Deku's quirkless throw is right about the average human ball throw, though.
 
Metalballrun said:
What formula was used? Doesn't getting speed usually need time, which I didn't see on the blog.
Deku's quirkless throw is right about the average human ball throw, though.
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I didn't use any formula. I just plugged the numbers into a calculator which calculated how fast he had to throw the ball. It accounts for air resistance too. Simply getting the velocity out of the time frame and distanced it traveled isn't sufficient enough.
 
- Deku blocked both of Nagant's shots according to her.

- He says that her shots are stronger than a Howitzer. Though I don't know if it's in comparison to the real thing or Bakugo's technique. I'm thinking it's a Bakugo comparison cause unless Deku is a military arms nerd cause this would pretty much be archaic technology by their time when they have Mechs likes Iron Maidens.

- I don't know about Deku's senses but he's indeed able to accurately tell exactly where Nagant is, 1 km away, in the rain at night.
 
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Gitagon said:
- Deku blocked both of Nagant's shots according to her.

- He says that her shots are stronger than a Howitzer. Though I don't know if it's in comparison to the real thing or Bakugo's technique.
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I’m betting it’s the real thing rather than Bakugo’s attacks although he’s more likely to know the power of Bakugo’s technique rather than a real howizter.

Also you guys think Deku has a chance at winning this? I personally only see him losing, getting saved or escaping
 
Just read the latest chapter and man Nagant is cool how the hell do you double snipe someone while they’re in mid air on a dark stormy night
Can’t wait for Deku got tagged by a sniper downplay

Although if I remember right Deku said she was a Kilometer away
Deku was confident that without danger sense he’d already would have been screwed and her bullets were moving far more, relative to Deku barely blocking
So assuming he’s got peak human reactions 0.1 seconds these are
10000m/s bullets?
Idk but cool.
 
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Jackof_noTrades068 said:
Just read the latest chapter and man Nagant is cool how the hell do you double snipe someone while they’re in mid air on a dark stormy night
Can’t wait for Deku got tagged by a sniper downplay

Although if I remember right Deku said she was a Kilometer away
Deku was confident that without danger sense he’d already would have been screwed and her bullets were moving far more, relative to Deku barely blocking
So assuming he’s got peak human reactions 0.1 seconds these are
10000m/s bullets?
Idk but cool.
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It's also the fact that Midoriya is also sleep deprived/exhausted and that she can curve her shots around buildings. Snipe even said she can replicate his homing ability with pure skill alone.
 
RidleyX said:
It's also the fact that Midoriya is also sleep deprived/exhausted and that she can curve her shots around buildings. Snipe even said she can replicate his homing ability with pure skill alone.
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She’s pretty much just “Built different”
Although despite sleep deprivation and bullet curving mid flight even downplaying these shots as much as possible pretty sure they’re still Hypersonic/Hypersonic+
So this is pretty good regardless
Ofc Acceleration exists but that’s never acknowledged unless someone wants to make a LS Calc
 
Yeah, she’s definitely the most impressive long range character in the cast, especially for breaking his gauntlets with one shot. If someone is actually willing to calc how fast she’s shooting Deku from a kilometer away, so much she’s actually blitzing him with her bullets if not for precog, that would be great.

Deku’s got this though. He’s has 2 more quirks to use and higher percentages he isn’t using, on top of now knowing her location. We’re about to get some high flying, bullet curving action next chapter and I can’t wait.
 
I think Smokescreen might be made pretty useless by the rain. After that they'll probably fight in the air with Nagant keeping her distance with Air Walk while Deku uses Float.

If the first users quirk is a long range one seeing how his gauntlets look like, he might use that.

Or just go for Black Whip and try to wrap Nagant up.
 
I doubt Nagant will beat Izuku, but I also doubt he's going to just take her out and that's the end. There's no point in hyping her up like this if she's going to be arrested again. I imagine either Izuku or herself retreating, for what reason they'd leave? I have no idea, for all I know something completely different could happen.

I wonder what Chisaki's role in this will be though, I'm pretty curious to learn about his backstory. We don't know Chisaki's past before the Yakuza right? The boss took him in when he was young, but what led to that situation in the first place? Will the boss have a role in the future, I kind of hope we see more of him to.
 
It is stated that Lady Nagnant's bullets pack a lot more punch than even a Howitzer artillery shell. I will do a short calculation on this.

For reference, a howitzer artillery shell can weigh up to 160 kg, with the shells reach a peak muzzle velocity of 701 m/s. If we plug this all into the kinetic energy equation, we get 39312080 joules of energy. That is equivalent to 9.4 kilograms of TNT. (Small Building level).

Considering the fact that the howitzer gun can only achieve this solely because of it's mass, and that Lady Nagant's bullets are stated to pack way more energy than this by Deku, this would imply that the bullet which hit Deku would have to travel at dozens of times, if not hundreds of times faster then sound. At the very least, I don't see this dipping below Mach 50.
 
Earthyboy said:
It is stated that Lady Nagnant's bullets pack a lot more punch than even a Howitzer artillery shell. I will do a short calculation on this.

For reference, a howitzer artillery shell can weigh up to 160 kg, with the shells reach a peak muzzle velocity of 701 m/s. If we plug this all into the kinetic energy equation, we get 39312080 joules of energy. That is equivalent to 9.4 kilograms of TNT. (Small Building level).

Considering the fact that the howitzer gun can only achieve this solely because of it's mass, and that Lady Nagant's bullets are stated to pack way more energy than this by Deku, this would imply that the bullet which hit Deku would have to travel at dozens of times, if not hundreds of times faster then sound. At the very least, I don't see this dipping below Mach 50.
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I'll add to this

Her bullets are made out of hair so we can assume they have less total mass and weight than a standard bullet

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The most common howitzer that's used globally is the M109A6 "Paladin self propelled, which fires 155 mm rounds, 95 lbs at 821 m/s or 2700 fps

https://www.defence24.com/are-light-howitzers-still-needed-on-the-battlefield

According to this kinetic energy formula calculator here

https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/physics/kinetic.php

The energy output would for 95 lbs at 821 m/s would be 14522643 joules

Now we need to determine the weight of Nagant's hair bullet. We can tell that the round is likely the length of a pen or 6 inches. Also important to note that Nagant's hair is shoulder length or 12 inches

The average human has about 100k strands of hair, also keep in mind that Nagant's hair isn't even shoulder length ei shorter than 12 inches

I split one side of her head hair in 4.5 sections, so she'd have 9 sections of hair total, so we can determine that, if she has 100k hairs the average that to 11k per full section and 6k in the half section

Even if Nagant used an entire full section of hair to form a bullet, 11,000 hairs at 6 inches would weigh roughly 1 ounce

So we can punch in 1 ounce into the Kinetic formula above and we get 32008.472521798 m/s or mach 93

Keep in mind this is on the EXTREME low end as this is only if the bullet matched the kinetic output of a howitzer, however its likely much higher since Midoriya said that Nagant's round hits A LOT harder. This also assumes that Nagant is using massive sections of her hair to make the bullets which is unlikely
 
This is some interesting stuff, but I think there's a rule against using KE to derive speed because it can lead to inflated results.
 
I read something about KE not being usable for anything past the speed of light but I still see it being used in the Invincible thread so whatever
But it does make sense being conservative for KE calcs for speed. When I'm writing stuff I never plug numbers up a KE calculator lol
 
DragonGamerZ913 said:
This is some interesting stuff, but I think there's a rule against using KE to derive speed because it can lead to inflated results.
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There is
An example they use is that a Small City level+ punch would be relativistic in speed for example
Or anyone above High 7-A striking strength would be FTL even if that AP is just stated and not derived from a calc
 
Earthyboy said:
Well, in this case. It'd be fine to use KE. Since that's why bullets pack a punch.
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I agree and honestly if someone who weighs 200 lbs is throwing a haymaker that can level multiple city blocks, then it is reasonable to assume that punch would be at a bare minimum of a few dozen mach speeds
 
RidleyX said:
I agree and honestly if someone who weighs 200 lbs is throwing a haymaker that can level multiple city blocks, then it is reasonable to assume that punch would be at a bare minimum of a few dozen mach speeds
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Well, if it contradicts established feats and consistency, then it wouldn't be usable. But logically, it would probably make sense. The wiki is just hellbent on not using that type of logic for some reason.
 
RidleyX said:
I agree and honestly if someone who weighs 200 lbs is throwing a haymaker that can level multiple city blocks, then it is reasonable to assume that punch would be at a bare minimum of a few dozen mach speeds
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I mean if we used that logic wouldn’t 100% Deku be 113462.97m/s or Mach 330
This is based on the debris launching shockwave vs Shigaraki assuming that attack was only the baseline of 8-A (Which it’s way higher and Deku was far above the ground which weakened the shockwave because inverse square law) and that Deku is 65kg
People just view it as a no go since it’s often inconsistent unless if what you want is for speed via ke to be allowed when it is consistent but that is extremely uncommon for most Tier 8 verses and even less common for tier 7 characters but you do you

I’m not gonna argue tho if you agree with KE for speed so long as it’s implied speed is needed for the impact then just make a Calc group discussion thread on it
 
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Jackof_noTrades068 said:
I mean if we used that logic wouldn’t 100% Deku be 113462.97m/s or Mach 330
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Wouldn't be inconsistent. A good amount of the 100% speed calculating are times when All Might is not even going all out. In fact, sometimes it's casual. And it's even notated that the reason Deku completely leveled pillars, was due to pressure.
 
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