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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

The verse being relatively weak, staff (current and former) being active in the discussions, and generally no absurd/incredible jumps in tiers as well as a lot of users being conservative (not politically, in a sense that we don't jump the gun often) makes our CRTs controlled. But even then it can still heated sometimes.
Honestly, not being interested too much in versus threads anymore can help people to look at things more objectively.
 
Metalballrun said:
The verse being relatively weak, staff (current and former) being active in the discussions, and generally no absurd/incredible jumps in tiers as well as a lot of users being conservative (not politically, in a sense that we don't jump the gun often) makes our CRTs controlled. But even then it can still heated sometimes.
Honestly, not being interested too much in versus threads anymore can help people to look at things more objectively.
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That’s true
When people wanna put their favorite characters up against other characters they want them to be as strong as possible so they can solo x or y verse too
Which often leads to wank
MHA not having anything crazy in power or haxes makes it really hard to do that
 
I think it lies in the power system honestly.

Most verses have this weird, universal system that everyone has but with different applications or tiers of usage, like magic, ki, nen, chakra, spiritual energy, curse energy, haki, whatever.

MHA just has everyone with different super powers, which absolutely determine where they can be in the verse (outside of physical stats which can get very high since they’re evolved humans). There is no room for someone like Sero to output more damage and effectiveness in every way than Todoroki. You have to have an actual strength quirk or something to boost you in order to hang with the heavy hitters.

The only outlier to this is Quirk Evolutions, and even those just are different applications of the exact same ability. Everyone has a single thing they do, which is enhanced by training their body and being creative with what they have. That’s something I feel sets MHA apart heavily. You can’t just ignore everyone’s abilities if you’re strong enough. There are just flat out bad matchups.

Not all men are born equal.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
I think it lies in the power system honestly.

Most verses have this weird, universal system that everyone has but with different applications or tiers of usage, like magic, ki, nen, chakra, spiritual energy, curse energy, haki, whatever.

MHA just has everyone with different super powers, which absolutely determine where they can be in the verse (outside of physical stats which can get very high since they’re evolved humans). There is no room for someone like Sero to output more damage and effectiveness in every way than Todoroki. You have to have an actual strength quirk or something to boost you in order to hang with the heavy hitters.

The only outlier to this is Quirk Evolutions, and even those just are different applications of the exact same ability. Everyone has a single thing they do, which is enhanced by training their body and being creative with what they have. That’s something I feel sets MHA apart heavily. You can’t just ignore everyone’s abilities if you’re strong enough. There are just flat out bad matchups.

Not all men are born equal.
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Also due to no such thing as a universal energy system being a thing in the verse
If an MHA character made a pocket dimension with stars with we wouldn’t argue for 26+ pages on a revision thread as to why All might isn’t 4-A now meanwhile with a verse like Naruto verse it is a universal system so they get those arguments
A lot

If someone made a pocket dimension with starry skies in MHA it would just be their quirk and scale to literally nothing
 
Yep, you can't use one character in MHA to directly scale others since everyones abilities are so different.

What I'm seeing with the Yhwach arguments over at Bleach, is that many people don't want Yhwach to be in Soul King's tier whose rating is already accepted as Universal/Multiversal as that would also also affect other high tiers like Ichigo, Aizen, etc.

This is probably why their is so much resistance.

With Naruto, there were a lot of these arguments especially with Kaguya's scaling with her dimensions being taken into account (the whose stars argument) then considering everyone she ever fought: Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, DMS Kakashi, etc as well as the people she supposedly feared like Momoshiki, Kinshiki and other Otsutsukis.

Then you also consider everyone who has fought and scales to Otsutsukis in Boruto like the new gen 5 Kage, Urashiki arc mess, & now even Cyborgs.

Even with JJK's scaling, a lot of arguments are due to the domain feats which when counted as creation or just looking at their size (Dagon's island) then translating that into energy transforms into huge APs.

Then characters without domains get scaled to that for simply exchanging blows with these characters (Yuji, Toji, Maki, etc get argued as Mountain level or Island level in physicals for fighting such characters).

While in MHA, even if a character has a quirk to create a dimension or separate space, no one would scale that to their physical strength.

In fact they might be weak as shit physically.

Just because a character can destroy an entire town with their quirk, doesn't mean that each of their punches is town level just cause of the concept of "energy".
 
I have problems with creation calculations and how it's applied to AP in general. Since it can be very misleading.
For JJK for example, you can't really say that they can hit their opponents with the same amount of energy it took for them to create those constructs with Domain Expansion.
I feel the same with temperature feats too. We've been downgrading MHA characters because of this. It's necessary to separate temperature feats with brute force feats for AP now, it seems.

Of course these all depend on the context.
 
Temperature Calcs and Creation Calcs really only scale to characters with a Universal Energy System

And anyone who takes issue with that is a mrk
 
Metalballrun said:
I have problems with creation calculations and how it's applied to AP in general. Since it can be very misleading.
For JJK for example, you can't really say that they can hit their opponents with the same amount of energy it took for them to create those constructs with Domain Expansion.
I feel the same with temperature feats too. We've been downgrading MHA characters because of this. It's necessary to separate temperature feats with brute force feats for AP now, it seems.

Of course these all depend on the context.
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Honestly especially Jjk
Dagon makes mountains in his domain
Doesn’t mean he’s literally throwing mountain level punches and water around every 2 seconds

Even in Universal energy systems
I find creation feats like starry skies super sus
Since they make at best tier 7-6 verses tier 4
So I have a really high standard when it comes to excepting creation feats for normal hits on ultra large scales
 
Gitagon said:
Just because a character can destroy an entire town with their quirk, doesn't mean that each of their punches is town level just cause of the concept of "energy".
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This mindset really needs to be held more

It’s really annoying when a character with high difficulty burns all their energy supply to say bust a town and people will claim it can scale to their random jab
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
This mindset really needs to be held more

It’s really annoying when a character with high difficulty burns all their energy supply to say bust a town and people will claim it can scale to their random jab
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This is pretty much my whole issue with scaling domains in JJk. It’s like 80% of their energy in this creation feat that can only be done once but then they throw dozens of enhanced punches in a fight or throw several energy blasts. You can’t argue their AP is consistently that level.

Adding on to this, I’d bring up a certain MHA character but let’s not go there
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
This is pretty much my whole issue with scaling domains in JJk. It’s like 80% of their energy in this creation feat that can only be done once but then they throw dozens of enhanced punches in a fight or throw several energy blasts. You can’t argue their AP is consistently that level.

Adding on to this, I’d bring up a certain MHA character but let’s not go there
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And things like this is what makes MHA’s quirk system much easier to scale we don’t get such arguments

A certain MHA character? I think I know who your referring to but I won’t say
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
And things like this is what makes MHA’s quirk system much easier to scale we don’t get such arguments

A certain MHA character? I think I know who your referring to but I won’t say
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Very true. MHA especially makes it clear when a character is doing a big move or can’t repeat the technique. Things like Heaven Piercing Ice Wall or Prominence Burn come to mind as clearly above their normal moves.
 
Tbf JJK only lists their Domain Expansion stuff as AP and not as Striking Strength which was one of my arguments when I still had time to participate in the CRTs.
 
Metalballrun said:
Tbf JJK only lists their Domain Expansion stuff as AP and not as Striking Strength which was one of my arguments when I still had time to participate in the CRTs.
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Plus it’s acknowledged that Jogo despite having High 7-A it’s not really practical to be used as raw AP but it is there which was mine and inserts arguments as well
Which is a relief
 
Haki is not as broken yet. In fact the power levels in One Piece were set almost since day 1. Haki does add new dimensions but the high tiers are still at basically island level all the way from Marineford (well apart from guys who scale Whitebeard to Planetary off statements).

Devil Fruits have some hax here and there but still nothing to crazy in terms of AP. I feel OP characters grow more in terms of technique & skill rather than raw AP.

For Naruto & especially Bleach, there were huge Jumps in power in just the last arcs which I think adds to how much this stuff is contended. Naruto introduced aliens the very last arc while Bleach basically had the "son of god" in their verse as the final antagonist. The power scaling ended up jumping tiers for this reason alone.
 
What do you guys think Shinso's hero name is gonna be?

People are theorizing about how it's gonna be voice/sound related. But me thinks it's gonna be something inconspicuous, either mundane or entirely intentionally unrelated or even opposite of what his Quirk is.
Following the theme of how Shinso's Quirk sounds villainous, plus the fact that it can be difficult to use if the villains are aware of his ability. Even if he has the voice changer, he will greatly benefit if his hero name is something that won't alarm the villains.
 
Metalballrun said:
What do you guys think Shinso's hero name is gonna be?

People are theorizing about how it's gonna be voice/sound related. But me thinks it's gonna be something inconspicuous, either mundane or entirely intentionally unrelated or even opposite of what his Quirk is.
Following the theme of how Shinso's Quirk sounds villainous, plus the fact that it can be difficult to use if the villains are aware of his ability. Even if he has the voice changer, he will greatly benefit if his hero name is something that won't alarm the villains.
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I think his name might be plain although I don’t see him being like Shoto and just calling himself Hitoshi tho lmfao
 
Maybe something with Brain in it.

I'm glad to hear him and Monoma are gonna be relevant later. They make a good team too as seen in JT arc.
 
I was on Comicvine and someone mentioned that All Might performed a bunch of actions in 3 seconds, that he bodied "several dozen" villains in 3 seconds along with a bunch of other stuff he did ei stop a bank robbery, save a bunch of kids, put out a fire etc and that AFO confirmed that it bought them 3 seconds

What is the context behind this? It's from one of the Vigalante issues

edit apparently he took down 100 villains in 3 seconds and also rescued about of people
 
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Yeah, its from Vigilantes.

Also spoilers are out and it seems we see more of the villain lady. I'm still wondering what her quirk is.

Somewhere between energy projection and weapon/matter creation
 
You can also see how Overhaul is in the background as well. I don't think they're connected with All for One, so they must have their own goal.
 
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