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Alright then, I got you fam.
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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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RandomGuy2345
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Spinoirr
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That’s basically asking Team RWBY to take down a maiden level enemy who has High 6-C shields and pre-cog.
RandomGuy2345
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Didn't think a Xenoblade enthusiast could fall this far, my condolences
RandomGuy2345
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Scary ahh.
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Sigh which calc is getting updated now. Same thing happened during Bakugo and Yang when they tried to become Mountain level so I’m not optimistic.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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How high into City Level? I ask because I already made the thread.
Spinoirr
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Look dude, I'm a supporter of the series for a reason because I LIKE IT
Spinoirr
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The calcs used as a reference
RWBY: Attacking Atlas
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RWBY: Monstra
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RWBY: Oscar's Shield
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Monstra's accepted mass is 1361481844426.29 kg
Grimm River accepted mass is 2270869563375.8 kg
2270869563375.8 + 1361481844426.29 = 3.6323514e+12 kg
Velocity = 1070.29 m/s
Kinetic Energy = 3.6323514e+12 x 0.5 x 1070.29^2 = 2.0804668e+18 Joules, 497.24349904397706723 Megatons of TNT
I = P/A = (2.0804668e+18) / (4π((7.2991578933)^2)) = 3.107459e+15 Joules/m^2
E = ICA
E = ICA = 3.107459e+15 x 28.745 = 8.9323909e+16 Joules, 21.348926625239005972 Megatons of TNT, City level
Basically they dowscsle from 21.348926625239005972 Megatons
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…why are you adding the Grimm river mass to Monstra’s mass?The calcs used as a reference
RWBY: Attacking Atlas
RWBY: Monstra
RWBY: Oscar's Shield
Monstra's accepted mass is 1361481844426.29 kg
Grimm River accepted mass is 2270869563375.8 kg
2270869563375.8 + 1361481844426.29 = 3.6323514e+12 kg
Velocity = 1070.29 m/s
Kinetic Energy = 3.6323514e+12 x 0.5 x 1070.29^2 = 2.0804668e+18 Joules, 497.24349904397706723 Megatons of TNT
I = P/A = (2.0804668e+18) / (4π((7.2991578933)^2)) = 3.107459e+15 Joules/m^2
E = ICA
E = ICA = 3.107459e+15 x 28.745 = 8.9323909e+16 Joules, 21.348926625239005972 Megatons of TNT, City level
Basically they dowscsle from 21.348926625239005972 Megatons
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Of ******* course there's now a One-Shot difference the day I come up with a fun idea.... **** my life....The calcs used as a reference
RWBY: Attacking Atlas
RWBY: Monstra
RWBY: Oscar's Shield
Monstra's accepted mass is 1361481844426.29 kg
Grimm River accepted mass is 2270869563375.8 kg
2270869563375.8 + 1361481844426.29 = 3.6323514e+12 kg
Velocity = 1070.29 m/s
Kinetic Energy = 3.6323514e+12 x 0.5 x 1070.29^2 = 2.0804668e+18 Joules, 497.24349904397706723 Megatons of TNT
I = P/A = (2.0804668e+18) / (4π((7.2991578933)^2)) = 3.107459e+15 Joules/m^2
E = ICA
E = ICA = 3.107459e+15 x 28.745 = 8.9323909e+16 Joules, 21.348926625239005972 Megatons of TNT, City level
Basically they dowscsle from 21.348926625239005972 Megatons
Spinoirr
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Because the whale had the liquid in it as it was flying before it spilled out onto the ground to form that river
Basically because the river was inside Monstra first before Salem got to Atlas
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Did it get sucked back up when Oscar detonated it or something then? Cause Oscar’s shield is scaling to the explosion that killed Monstra at that point in time, hence why the second method is used, as that calculates the actual explosion of Monstra his shield survived, not just Monstra’s KE
Also doesn’t this raise massive questions about Monstra’s mass in general if it let out enough sludge that it was 2x it’s own normal mass?
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It didnt get sucked up no, after landing Monstra vomitted up multiple massive waves of Grimm liquid onto the island.
Monstra floating in the air using gravity dust does not in any way affect its KE. KE is mass and velocity, it moves through the air using its wings, it floating around using gravity dust doesn't change its mass or its velocity.
It's Like saying a car that's flying using anti gravity doesn't have any KE when it clearly still does, it just uses the anti gravity to hover and fly, not remove its mass, thus it still has KE
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Soooo why would the calc add that river to its mass? He doesn’t have that mass anymore by the time he blows up.
And that’s ignoring that, again, Oscar is scaling to the actual explosion he let out at the time.
It’s calc stacking to make Monstra 7-A then calculate someone surviving an attack that blows up Monstra using that 7-A energy.
That’s like someone going tiny inside Doomsday and making Doomsday blow up, but using Doomsday’s durability to inverse square law the small guys durability rather than the actual explosion.
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Good question, is saying one attack did more damage then another and making a inverse square cube law calc for it be calc stacking as you're technically not as you're using scaling for it instead to form the calc + USE to scale their physicals to their energy attacks to further support it
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Well yes, because you're using the result of a past calc in a separate calculation
Spinoirr
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OK, what about using UES to scale magic to physicals not durability to use for scaling and downscaling?
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Trying to make Salem High 6-C… doesn’t that demonstrably make it NOT a UES if her durability can’t be amped by magic?
Not to mention she struggles with Hazel to the point the heroes get away, Magic clearly does not make her physicals thousands of times higher, especially if it can’t even make her durable enough to not get one shot by Yang’s explosions.
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The Maidens use magic to amp all their stats, its even said by the creators that Magic does amp their ability
So yeah its a UES, Yangs sticky bombs can literally one shot grimm she can't kill normally like they are just a higher tier then herself (also Salem suffering from the immortality problem future Zamasu has where that MF can fight off ssj blue Goku yet also have deadly damage done to him by ssj blue goku)
Also like Hazels max dust form is literally a power amp, like that's why he can fight her also like Salem was smashing his head in multiple times
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Honestly Salem only got deadly damage done to her by Yangs sticky bombs (Yangs semblance did zero damage to her and Yang's sticky bombs have killed a grimm she couldn't kill normally meaning they are way stronger then her), and got her face punched in by Max Dust amp Hazel who we know his Dust forms boost his power and stats, and Oscar's KE Nuke that vaporized her
So Honestly she really only got damaged by things stronger then or some what comparable to her
So Honestly she really only got damaged by things stronger then or some what comparable to her
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Oh here we go with the scaling again, ignoring all consistencies just to get better tiering.
Ok, let’s say Yang is High 6-C with her bombs. Vine got blasted by them and was fine so Vine has High 6-C Aura, and is actually higher than Salem’s feat.
You want to continue this train of logic or are you gonna stop listening to incorrect opinions on how scaling works?
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Also this is a lie since Oscar hurt her with a green magic beam.
High 6-C Oscar? Meaning High 6-C Maidens? Meaning 4x High 6-C Wizard that further upgrades Salem off her own feat circularly?
Make it make sense bro. Base Hazel punched her away and made her feel pain, he’s not thousands of times stronger with his Overdose.
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6-C+ Maidens via being 5x weaker then the old wizards magic we have zero clue how much weaker the old wizard is vs prime ozma when he clashed with salems magic, the characters just downscale from that
Oscar's ke nuke vaporized Salem vs prime Ozma's magic only turning her into a puddle
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I also said here, the scaling wouldn't affect salems durability due to the fact that she kinda doesn't even try to go on the defensive like rewind afo and majin buu does, instead they just rely on their regeneration instead. Like they have a UES, but actively chose not to amp their durability at all due to broken ass regen
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Basically
Oscar's KE Nuke (vaporized Salem and thus should be above Prime Ozma's magic that only turned Salem into a puddle) > Salem's magic = Prime Ozma's magic > the Wizard's magic (downscsles from prime Ozma's magic) > the Maidens (5 times weaker then the old Wizards magic) > the main cast (baseline island level+ via downscaling even more)
Max dust Hazel knew he couldn't beat Salem due to her immortality
Oscar's KE Nuke (vaporized Salem and thus should be above Prime Ozma's magic that only turned Salem into a puddle) > Salem's magic = Prime Ozma's magic > the Wizard's magic (downscsles from prime Ozma's magic) > the Maidens (5 times weaker then the old Wizards magic) > the main cast (baseline island level+ via downscaling even more)
Max dust Hazel knew he couldn't beat Salem due to her immortality
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Oscar would be directly High 6-C scaling to hurting Salem. Maidens would also be High 6-C, which circularly amps Salem to stronger than herself.
Her durability is simply terrible.
Trying to make 6-C RWBY a thing is not happening when Vine dies to a 7-B bomb but supposedly is casually above High 6-C with his Aura. Or is the whole cast stronger than Monstra? Do you think the “up to High 6-C” part of her profile is for show? That’s the peak of her magic we’re going with, and from the directors own mouth, Magic operates like a spell which automatically raises questions on
We had a thread that rejected this already I’m pretty sure when she blasted Jaune’s shield and one shot him, so cease.
Headcanon that she does this. She has no Aura so she gets killed easily. Otherwise she wouldn’t get turned to a puddle by someone literally her equal if her dura was the same as his. He only got hurt by her attacks till he couldn’t move, she was squashed flat, her durability is not on par with Ozma’s, as shown with Oscar hurting her so bad she was left kneeling from his green magic beam.
Hell “raising defense” isn’t even a thing Magic is confirmed to do that doesn’t equal a literal forcefield. If anything Magic only amps your Aura, of which Salem doesn’t even have any.
Except the maidens have their own feats that are solidly no where even remotely close to Salem’s feat, on top of the Vine anti-feat. Trying to upgrade them based off them wielding the weakened, fractured remnants of the old man’s power is simply inapplicable.
Base Hazel hurt Salem so that’s irrelevant. Base Hazel Prime Ozma level?
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No duh, you started it.
Tell Weekly to sharpen his tools if he’s trying this shit, cause clearly he’s forgotten how scaling works if this is his argument.
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Dude If a bomb in a story is said to be able to blow up a city, was made to kill a 7-A character and was contained by a island level forcefield before killing the island level due who used his forcefield to contain it
Would you just scale the bomb to island level via we never see it actually do any damage due to the blast being contained?
It was made to kill and one shot a 7-A whale, it was contained by a 6-C character before the person in that forcefield that's 6-C dies to the blast
So would the bomb be 6-C or would this be a outlier for 6-C characters?
If we never see it do any damage via it was contained, and just know it can blow up a city, can one shot kill a 7-A whale and the fact it killed someone who I'm going to upgrade to 6-C
Yeah, so it's not a outlier, it just means the bomb is 6-C
Would you just scale the bomb to island level via we never see it actually do any damage due to the blast being contained?
It was made to kill and one shot a 7-A whale, it was contained by a 6-C character before the person in that forcefield that's 6-C dies to the blast
So would the bomb be 6-C or would this be a outlier for 6-C characters?
If we never see it do any damage via it was contained, and just know it can blow up a city, can one shot kill a 7-A whale and the fact it killed someone who I'm going to upgrade to 6-C
Yeah, so it's not a outlier, it just means the bomb is 6-C
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“Was made to do this” is irrelevant. It’s one and only defining scaling is destroying Atlas, which is 7-B. Vine got one shot by it.
So Vine gets one tapped by something designed to kill a 7-A character, with him being tens of times higher than that character? So an anti-feat?
Long Memory functions solely of KE and is definitively the most destructive non-magic attack shown in the verse besides the Gods, but can’t even get to Large Mountain level. But it’s actually High 6-C cause it killed the High 6-C lady with questionable dura. Sure thing.
Spin, the day you stop being a mouthpiece for weekly to get his opinions on the verse under the guise of needing his guidance will be a happy day. But until then, I will simply slap down all your attempts to get higher numbers with no regards for logic or cohesion.
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What happened to “stay out of the MHA thread?” Touched a nerve I guess?
I’ll be at your CRT pal, don’t you worry, and I’ll raise every concern I have there again and again.
I’ll be at your CRT pal, don’t you worry, and I’ll raise every concern I have there again and again.
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For now though? Get the hell out of my verse with your talks of upgrades.
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Dude, that's like saying ssj goku is city level just because he can die to Android 16's bomb that was said to be as strong as a nuke by bulma
Unlike with that, we are never given a yeld for the Atlas bomb, just the fact that it can blow up a city, Ironwood thought Oscar's ke nuke that one shot the 7-A whale was the bomb, killed Vine after he contained it and we never saw it do any damage in the series so we have reason to scale it above however strong Vine is instead
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With Vine being weaker than Yang who can’t hurt Salem who gets plastered by High 6-C and the Long Memory deleting her besides not being High 6-C with KE.
So someone not close to 6-C got deleted by a bomb meant for a 7-A character.
Leave, Spin, and never return. And tell Weekly to keep his banned self out of my god damn threads.
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