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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

His Quirk wasn't shown to get stronger though, only his physical abilities were shown to improved.
 
TheRustyOne said:
His Quirk wasn't shown to get stronger though, only his physical abilities were shown to improved.
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True But Lover mode is described to be an overall Power boost not just a physical one as I feel it would’ve been stated if it was just a physical amp
Plus 8% never really even overpowered Base elasticity anyway so lover mode didn’t help much there As it’s just multiplying on top of what Deku couldn’t punch through maybe it could’ve been noticeable if Deku used a higher percentage and hit a Elastic air with a direct hit but alas that didn’t happen
 
Ok so here's all the thing I can remember that need to be updated

* means still some debate on topic.

* Mina She get upgraded flame durability to wherever dabi's flames scale

*Tetsutesu and Kirishima might need upgrades.

Dabi gets ignores durability

Endeavor Low 7-B durability and ignores durability for heat attacks

Shoto gets ignores durability and pseudo flight.

Hood gets upgrades to Low 7-B and likely Hypersonic+ speed

Kamui Woods gets flame durability to Dabi

Cementoss needs a profile change to varies up to 8-A due to fighting geten

I mentioned a speed calc that if gets added would put anyone who scales to Gigantomia/Mt Lady/or Kamui Woods as Hypersonic, this should be added with RustyOne's calc to change speed tiers, these calcs will affect the majority of the top tiers in the verse so this needs to be discussed thoroughly.

*Shigaraki - Scales to 100% in terms of stats and Gets Rage Power, Reactive evolution , Immense pain tolerance, considering AFO was able to use air walk and forced quirk activation he should probably get added all of Kamino AFO's quirks

Deku 100% 7-B,-45% 8-A, 30% 8-B Class M lifting strength for 45% via scaling to Ryukyu. Speed scaling has already been stated for these tiers.

Bakugou - 30% speed.

I probably forgot some stuff this war arc has changed a lot of character's profiles. Can you guys start posting what I forgot and I'll make a comprehensive CRT tomorrow
 
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CyborgSakumo said:
Ok so here's all the thing I can remember that need to be updated

* means still some debate on topic.

* Mina She get upgraded flame durability to wherever dabi's flames scale

*Tetsutesu and Kirishima might need upgrades.

Dabi gets ignores durability

Endeavor Low 7-B durability and ignores durability for heat attacks

Shoto gets ignores durability and pseudo flight.

Hood gets upgrades to Low 7-B and likely Hypersonic+ speed

Kamui Woods gets flame durability to Dabi

Cementoss needs a profile change to varies up to 8-A due to fighting geten

I mentioned a speed calc that if gets added would put anyone who scales to Gigantomia/Mt Lady/or Kamui Woods as Hypersonic, this should be added with RustyOne's calc to change speed tiers, these calcs will affect the majority of the top tiers in the verse so this needs to be discussed thoroughly.

*Shigaraki - Scales to 100% in terms of stats and Gets Rage Power, Reactive evolution , Immense pain tolerance, considering AFO was able to use air walk and forced quirk activation he should probably get added all of Kamino AFO's quirks

Deku 100% 7-B,-45% 8-A, 30% 8-B Class M lifting strength for 45% via scaling to Ryukyu. Speed scaling has already been stated for these tiers.

Bakugou - 30% speed.

I probably forgot some stuff this war arc has changed a lot of character's profiles. Can you guys start posting what I forgot and I'll make a comprehensive CRT tomorrow
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Damn that’s a lot of stuff I know that CRT is gonna be a essay also are Momo’s fire proof Clothing she created worth noting since she could walk trough Dabi’s fire with it on
Also since Geten could fight mount Lady and if the calc does get added would result in Hypersonic Geten that would make Dabi’s cremation also hypersonic since Dabi Fought him
So Dabi’s cremation attack speed won’t be unknown anymore
Note:For Bakugo you could Give him Large Building + or At most Baseline 8-B for being immensely superior to his pre endeavor training self as I don’t think Bakugo’s AP stayed the same it’s just that speed got the biggest boost from the training
Although more specific details like this can be handled in your CRT tomorrow
 
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I’d also like to further point out that I’m not comfortable with Endeavor having durability rivalling All Might. He also hasn’t taken a serious hit from Shiggy head on. The only known hit he took from a serious Shiggy didn’t even result in GT getting killed and Endeavor seemed to have dodged the brunt of it.
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
Didn’t Endeavor state that hood overcame his propulsion and that allowed Endeavor to tell that hood was stronger than him
Plus when the jet burn landed I think all it did was push hood out of the building and blow a hole in his chest
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He did but earlier this happened and Hood lost a hand and was forced back. Perhaps it’s because Hood wasn’t amping with all his quirks at the time.
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
I’d also like to further point out that I’m not comfortable with Endeavor having durability rivalling All Might. He also hasn’t taken a serious hit from Shiggy head on. The only known hit he took from a serious Shiggy didn’t even result in GT getting killed and Endeavor seemed to have dodged the brunt of it.
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Well he’d be rivaling a heavily weakened All might but it’s still all might so save your argument for the CRT
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
He did but earlier this happened and Hood lost a hand and was forced back. Perhaps it’s because Hood wasn’t amping with all his quirks at the time.
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Likely and that’s probably why hood was still confident even though Endeavor Blasted him out of the Building and even Mocked Endeavor and then proceeding to overpower the Force Endeavors flames produce it seems consistent when interpreted this way
 
Is it known if light level affects Dark Shadow’s speed? Tokoyami specified his attack power and ferocity in darkness and characters who can keep up with base DS/would rival him could react to his berserk form (like Shouji or Slice) and even when weakened DS could block Kaminari and Bakugou.
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
Is it known if light level affects Dark Shadow’s speed? Tokoyami specified his attack power and ferocity in darkness and characters who can keep up with base DS/would rival him could react to his berserk form (like Shouji or Slice) and even when weakened DS could block Kaminari and Bakugou.
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Darkness effecting Dark shadows speed rn is unknown the only thing we know for sure is that it amps offensive power and durability
It’s a shame that the Dark shadow in Nigh complete darkness didn’t get to fight Re Destro for longer and we don’t know whether Dark shadow overwhelmed are Destro or it was just his leg I’m leaning towards his leg tho
Also I wonder what is Re Destros lifting strength
Like out of the heavy hitters in 1-A dark shadow is easily the one we know least about in where he caps in power
Although if Complete Darkness Dark shadow gets an 8-A feat it would be consistent somewhat
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
Darkness effecting Dark shadows speed rn is unknown the only thing we know for sure is that it amps offensive power and durability
It’s a shame that the Dark shadow in Nigh complete darkness didn’t get to fight Re Destro for longer and we don’t know whether Dark shadow overwhelmed are Destro or it was just his leg I’m leaning towards his leg tho
Also I wonder what is Re Destros lifting strength
Like out of the heavy hitters in 1-A dark shadow is easily the one we know least about in where he caps in power
Although if Complete Darkness Dark shadow gets an 8-A feat it would be consistent somewhat
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Didn’t he collapse a cave in Heroes Rising? It might possibly yield something. Hopefully we get a scenario where complete darkness DS gets to cut loose
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
Didn’t he collapse a cave in Heroes Rising? It might possibly yield something. Hopefully we get a scenario where complete darkness DS gets to cut loose
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Yeah he did collapse a cave Deku even noticed it from a far distance although it distracted Deku and Bakugo had to save him
Issue is that if that does get calced it could potentially yield underwhelming results but then again that cave was huge
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
I’d also like to further point out that I’m not comfortable with Endeavor having durability rivalling All Might. He also hasn’t taken a serious hit from Shiggy head on. The only known hit he took from a serious Shiggy didn’t even result in GT getting killed and Endeavor seemed to have dodged the brunt of it.
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Here's the line of reasoning for endeavor getting low 7-B durability

Shiggy's AP is 7-B from this reasoning

Heroes saga 100% = Low 7-B+, so War arc deku should upscale to 7-B.

Shiggy took a barrage of adrenaline punches from 100% Deku while in weakened state from the earlier battle which was noted.

Shiggy was capable of going past his body's limit to the point of harming himself which means he has at least AP=Dur.

So Endeavor doesn't fully scale to shiggy he downscales to him, him scaling any less is bias at that point. He stayed conscious from a direct punch to the floor. If he's 8-A it would have at least knocked him out like it did to ryukyu. Endeavor at least backscales him.
 
If Endeavor was 8-A Shigaraki could one shot him with zero effort, and Endeavor would be a minimal threat. He would've just killed Endeavor instead of focusing on Aizawa or trying to grab Izuku and leave, since Endeavor is the only one (Not including 100%) that could even damage Shigaraki in that fight. The fact that Shigaraki didn't do that means he wasn't confident that he could beat them, which means he couldn't one shot.

Either that or we have to say the entire fight was filled with CIS/PIS.

But Endeavor without question does scale below Kamino All Might and AFO though.
 
CyborgSakumo said:
Here's the line of reasoning for endeavor getting low 7-B durability

Shiggy's AP is 7-B from this reasoning

Heroes saga 100% = Low 7-B+, so War arc deku should upscale to 7-B.

Shiggy took a barrage of adrenaline punches from 100% Deku while in weakened state from the earlier battle which was noted.

Shiggy was capable of going past his body's limit to the point of harming himself which means he has at least AP=Dur.

So Endeavor doesn't fully scale to shiggy he downscales to him, him scaling any less is bias at that point. He stayed conscious from a direct punch to the floor. If he's 8-A it would have at least knocked him out like it did to ryukyu. Endeavor at least backscales him.
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Unless there’s another calc I’m missing, isn’t 100% Deku 3.9 megatons? How does he jump from that to 6.3?

Endeavor doesn’t need to be 8A (as there’s pretty much nothing iirc that puts him in that tier as of now) but Endeavor getting scaled to AM makes no sense seeing as how his whole thing is never reaching AM what’s more what he’s seen of AM is his heavily weakened state at Kamino in which Endeavor couldn’t do anything to AFO in said fight.

Finally is 45% Deku Low 7B as well for taking a blow from Shigaraki and handling it better than Endeavor?
 
Someone put a calc for Bakugou in the movie which I believe was 7-B if not mistaken which we should be using now instead of the other feat because the amount of outlier would cause would be insane) . Its when he melts a mountain.

I've already argued this back when people where trying to make Shiggy 8-A but the gap between Weakened AM and Endeavor shouldn't have been incredibly massive. I don't really feel like arguing that though, so here's what I'll say Low 7-B endeavor is the only place we can put him at the moment. Unless you have somewhere else we can put him I'm all ears.
 
TheRustyOne said:
If Endeavor was 8-A Shigaraki could one shot him with zero effort, and Endeavor would be a minimal threat. He would've just killed Endeavor instead of focusing on Aizawa or trying to grab Izuku and leave, since Endeavor is the only one (Not including 100%) that could even damage Shigaraki in that fight. The fact that Shigaraki didn't do that means he wasn't confident that he could beat them, which means he couldn't one shot.

Either that or we have to say the entire fight was filled with CIS/PIS.

But Endeavor without question does scale below Kamino All Might and AFO though.
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Never said Enji was 8A as I wouldn’t even scale him to Jeanist as nothing (besides Hawks maybe killing him) ties them together


TheRustyOne said:
Izuku has another Low 7-B calc, from the Heroes Rising movie. Also Shigaraki doesn't want to kill Izuku, he can't take OFA if he's dead. Endeavor 100% scales to being comparable to Shigaraki, even if it's downscaling.
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Ah thanks I wasn’t aware that calc had higher values. I have no objections then. I was under the impression Endeavor was somehow being scaled to AM level.

Out of curiosity is Endeavor baseline Low 7B?
 
CyborgSakumo said:
Ok so here's all the thing I can remember that need to be updated

* means still some debate on topic.

* Mina She get upgraded flame durability to wherever dabi's flames scale

*Tetsutesu and Kirishima might need upgrades.

Dabi gets ignores durability

Endeavor Low 7-B durability and ignores durability for heat attacks

Shoto gets ignores durability and pseudo flight.

Hood gets upgrades to Low 7-B and likely Hypersonic+ speed

Kamui Woods gets flame durability to Dabi

Cementoss needs a profile change to varies up to 8-A due to fighting geten

I mentioned a speed calc that if gets added would put anyone who scales to Gigantomia/Mt Lady/or Kamui Woods as Hypersonic, this should be added with RustyOne's calc to change speed tiers, these calcs will affect the majority of the top tiers in the verse so this needs to be discussed thoroughly.

*Shigaraki - Scales to 100% in terms of stats and Gets Rage Power, Reactive evolution , Immense pain tolerance, considering AFO was able to use air walk and forced quirk activation he should probably get added all of Kamino AFO's quirks

Deku 100% 7-B,-45% 8-A, 30% 8-B Class M lifting strength for 45% via scaling to Ryukyu. Speed scaling has already been stated for these tiers.

Bakugou - 30% speed.

I probably forgot some stuff this war arc has changed a lot of character's profiles. Can you guys start posting what I forgot and I'll make a comprehensive CRT tomorrow
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He'd be baseline Low 7-B+ if we're using the downscaling method (Still lower than AM AP) Also does anyone have anything to add to this because I'm making the CRT tomorrow so remind me if I'm missing anything.
 
I'll save my full thoughts for the CRT, remember that this will be a mega CTR that will cover everything that couldn't be applied during the past few months. So we aren't just going to discuss Shigaraki and this current arc.
 
Oh yeah I know we all have disagreements on certain things, I just want to know if you have anything I'm forgetting that should be added to the CRT.
 
CyborgSakumo said:
Oh yeah I know we all have disagreements on certain things, I just want to know if you have anything I'm forgetting that should be added to the CRT.
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Jack and I discussed Dabi getting split into two keys and I’d like some more opinions on whether that should be done.

Idk if what AFO said in the most recent chapter would warrant any ability additions.

Twice could get a rating for his duplication speed as Hawks complemented it.

This is all I’ve got for now.
 
While I don't necessarily agree with those points I will add those to the CRT and @you, you'll have to defend it.
 
Shigaraki scaling to 100% in speed sounds dubious to me, since Deku at 45% reacted to Shigaraki in order to grab and lift him with Black Whip in the first place. Shiggy only outpaced 45% when he went Plus Ultra, and even then it wasn’t blitz tier since Deku could track him with his eyes. Normal Shiggy and 45% seem to be more comparable than 100%.

Not to mention that the circumstances he reacted to 100% are weird since AFO was piloting his body at the time and Deku was attacking in the most straightforward, obvious manner possible.
 
Tbh I really don't think Horikoshi believes the difference between 45% and 100% is all that large.

Shigaraki also blitzed Deku in the beginning of the fight when he went to decay him.

Also shigaraki was capable of defending against the 100% blows.

Also, the fact is shigarak would still have to move his hand faster than Deku could attack him. Keep in mind we're comparing a rage power deku vs a weakened shigaraki.

Also AFO/and shigaraki were clearly fighting when it happened as well as the fact all AFO should be able to do is activate new quirks that Shigaraki doesn't know about it/is too inexperienced to use.

This discussion can be elaborated more when I make the CRT but I've said my piece.
 
Speaking of that, why is 45% being treated as definitively 8-A when Endeavor is being treated as Low 7-B? Deku blatantly took a point blank attack from Shiggy, who one shots 8-A’s like Ryukyu without even touching them. Even the shockwave Shiggy produced to reach Aizawa one tapped Ryukyu, yet Deku was the one who not only tanked the full force of it directly, but still reached out with black whip and caught Shiggy nearly the same time he reached Aizawa.

Heck, why is even 30% being treated as a 2x amp when it’s way higher? If anything, 30% should be baseline 8-A with 45% either being Higher or Low 7-B itself.


Didn’t Deku only get overwhelmed by Shigaraki due to the fear manip? And Shigaraki’s “defense” was holding his arms in front of his face, protecting his vitals, while Deku beat him up, that’s not reacting, that’s surviving a thrashing you can’t do anything about.

I’ll just wait for the crt too i guess.
 
I honestly do think 45% is being underestimated in speed, defence & power. Also Shiggy without Super-regen would have been way more f*cked up if he had to take multiple 100% punches. Heck those punches alone were slowing down his regen meaning they were dealing significant damage requiring his regen to kick in & then overpowering even that regeneration. So even if we say Shiggy is comparable to 100%, it's onky when he has regen to cover him.

As for speed, it's even more clear since Deku's body is only at 45%, only his arms were using 100% and he was setting huge distances between him and Shiggy before every attack so if Shiggy was significantly faster, he could just dodge when Deku was away from him. I guess Black Whip did enhance his maneuverability while restraining Shiggy at the same time.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Izuku has another Low 7-B calc, from the Heroes Rising movie. Also Shigaraki doesn't want to kill Izuku, he can't take OFA if he's dead. Endeavor 100% scales to being comparable to Shigaraki, even if it's downscaling.
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Just asking about that Low 7-B+ calc for Bakugo didn’t Bakugo accomplish it with One Hand and since it wasn’t a punch he was using his explosion quírk In theory the result of that Calc could be doubled as Bakugo can attack with 2 explosions at a time and maybe that can be why Deku could breakthrough while Bakugo didnt
 
CyborgSakumo said:
Tbh I really don't think Horikoshi believes the difference between 45% and 100% is all that large.

Shigaraki also blitzed Deku in the beginning of the fight when he went to decay him.

Also shigaraki was capable of defending against the 100% blows.

Also, the fact is shigarak would still have to move his hand faster than Deku could attack him. Keep in mind we're comparing a rage power deku vs a weakened shigaraki.

Also AFO/and shigaraki were clearly fighting when it happened as well as the fact all AFO should be able to do is activate new quirks that Shigaraki doesn't know about it/is too inexperienced to use.

This discussion can be elaborated more when I make the CRT but I've said my piece.
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Maybe Hori forgot about how exponential Jumps from percentage to percentage are because ofc he’s not mathematically calcing what’s One for All’s full strength and dividing it accordingly every time Deku gets a percentage increase
 
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Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
Jack and I discussed Dabi getting split into two keys and I’d like some more opinions on whether that should be done.

Idk if what AFO said in the most recent chapter would warrant any ability additions.

Twice could get a rating for his duplication speed as Hawks complemented it.

This is all I’ve got for now.
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Also Lover Mode Gentle’s elasticity being City Block Level in Durability/Damage it can knock back
46.68 tons of tnt to be more specific
 
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