I at least am very unsure from a purely mathematical point of view scaling off Deku’s 48 ton feat at 20% then 45% would be around 100-120 tons although One for All is exponential from percentage to percentage so it’s likely Far higher than this
As far as we know Lover Mode only increases Gentle's physical stats, his Elasticity had the same strength as the first time he used against Deku. Heck, Gentle used an even stronger attack while in Lover Mode and 8% Deku was still able to withstand it, proving that the power of his Quirk didn't increase at all.
Can we all just remember this an extremely weakened AM we're putting him on tiers with and he still scales lower than him. The tendrils thing I kind of call issues with that. When AFO used the tendrils period they didn't seem to pierce anyone in the Kamino fight(Kurogiri is the most obvious example) so I really don't take that as an issue against Endeavor, AFO even said he wasn't seriously fighting AM until everyone left he was just trying to wear him down. Here he clearly was attacking people with intent to Kill/harm in the case of Deku. Also Gran torino is a weird case because gran torino has had showing of taking punches from AM before too so the fact he survives a punc from shigaraki also isn't an effective counterstatement considering the series frequently has him in fights with the top tiers of the verse(I really don't believe his High 8-C rating for a second). There are many cases of Normal human characters reaching higher power levels, (Mirio onshotting Kirishima, Endeavor being able to somewhat contend with Hood physically, Gran torino's physical strength and durability). I understand people's issues with Endeavor's scaling but A there's really nowhere else we can put endeavor him being 8-A would be so inconsistent it would be laughable, and B he still scales below a weakened AM's durability as he would be baseline Low 7-B+ in the new scaling chart.
-Ok the first statement is very wrong. In the movie, we see visually in a graphical form the all might's power significantly declined when he transferred OFA. Calcs are cool, but in-universe words will always hold more weight.
-Tbh, to me that just sounds like he wasn't bloodlusted in that point of the fight , bloodlusted vs serious are two different things. And also here's the thing Shigaraki is a 7-B(don't make me argue this just take it with a grain of salt if you want) a tier 8 should not be capable of enduring an attack from and being able to attack easily moments later. That's just not consistent. We're already downscaling him for shigaraki's attacks not being 100% serious but downscaling him to tier 8 makes no sense.
If we take it that way, the only one who survived a blow from bloodlusted Shiggy was 45% Deku. In his double attack against Gran Torino and Endeavor, Shiggy just wasn't using all his strength because he could have one-shotted the former, and that same attack injured the latter too.
A Shigaraki wasn't attempting to kill Deku that's obvious as he wanted to take OFA so I'm not going to address this point, and please read above what my statements about this where. Can you please check what I say before responding, not trying to be rude but it gets annoying having to quote myself.
Okay, let's agree that he wasn't trying to kill Deku, but my argument is based more on how he could have one-shotted Gran Torino and decided to not, proving that Shiggy was still holding back at that moment.
This is a valid argument the statement he makes right after is this ('Why are your quirk levels going down so dramatically') as he refers to the graph which means he was referring to the strength of OFA. This a rather obvious statement.
? But that's you trying to draw a massive difference between serious and bloodlusted, nothing more than headcanon, what makes you think there's such a huge difference in power? What makes you think Shiggy was fully serious in that attack? You haven't even addressed about how that "serious but not bloodlusted Shiggy" also wounded Endeavor, which means that, according to you, a bloodlusted Shiggy could also have one-shotted Endeavor.
But it doesn't mean anything because we don't treat it as something linear, we know that he got weaker, yes, but we don't know how much. Going with our calculations, All Might got two times weaker, which is quite dramatic.
But I wasn't though in fact the whole point of that statement was that there isn't a massive difference especially not one big enough to go to 8-A. If you want the condensed point of that statement its that regardless of if Shigaraki is fully serious in that attack, why would he downgrade himself to 8-A status in that attack. He clearly wanted to put them down for a few seconds if not kill them. If you read what I stated earlier I said Endeavor should be Low 7-B with shigaraki as a 7-B. I've already downscaled endeavor the best I could do for you is changing the scaling chart a bit so Izuku/Shigaraki become at least Low 7-B+ and Endeavor becomes High 7-C but that's the best we could do.
Did you read the graph , it was an exponential loss of power , look at it. I take more stock in the graph given in series then fan calculations.
It's a shame, I guess we would have to upload the image on the main site first and then link it from now on.
So let me get this straight you want to add PIS into this story to deal with another PIS on your interpretation of Endeavor's strength. Weren't you the guy who was saying we should always try to be consistent.
In 276 when he smashed him to the ground, whether he tried to kill endeavor is questionable but he certainly wanted him incapacitated, and he couldn't do that to the point that in 277 when Endeavor attacks he is visibly surprised endeavor is still moving.
Never said he was fully serious and bloodlusted in that attack. I said he wanted to put him down, couldn't do so and was visibly surprised he couldn't and even grunts in annoyance.That's the same scene where Shigaraki mocked Endeavor and Ryukyu by raising his arm like All Might, while casually explaining to them how he can control his Decay, how he saved some of the Quirk-erasing bullets, and making a face as if it were the best day of his life.
The tendrils did pierce Magne and you can see blood around where AFO stabbed him at least in the anime when he used Forced Quirk Activation on Magne.
First off A I never said he was as durable as all might. I said he's Low 7-B or maybe likely Low 7-B if you want.
