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Plus he'd last like what 2 years?
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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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OFA Hellflame prominence burn would be like the movie’s storm dispersal but way hotter and Endeavor would just be left as vapor
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But Bakugo with OFA made much larger explosions to the point they could melt mountains and he didn’t suffer enough recoil to blow his arms off. Endeavour would be the same. He’d just overheat slightly more but OFA would help him endure that.
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Remember when the All Might and Deku said “All Might couldn’t move around at 100% all the time, every little action would cause massive wind blasts and destruction!”
But apparently this Faux 100% Deku which totally is comparable to 100%, at best, blasted away some rain droplets. No windows or buildings breaking.
But apparently this Faux 100% Deku which totally is comparable to 100%, at best, blasted away some rain droplets. No windows or buildings breaking.
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That's because Midoriya and All Might are different people.
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Remember when Izuku fought Chisaki at Full Cowl 100%, and every little action he took didn't cause massive wind blast and destruction? Remember when Izuku jumped with 100% to intercept Shigaraki at the USJ and it also didn't cause a massive wind blast?
100% Full Cowl Izuku and Bakugo were running around and weren't causing massive wind blast with every little action either.
100% Full Cowl Izuku and Bakugo were running around and weren't causing massive wind blast with every little action either.
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To be fair War arc 100% should be significantly beyond the previous ones especially USJ as his power is noted to have grown rapidly from EA to PLW
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You could probably consider most of those outliers. I think we actually did see Deku utilize air pressure against Chisaki, they were just so high up in the air that it didn't have much effect on the ground.
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Should there be descriptions for each stage of Full Cowl under Deku's abilities? Just having 45% and 100% seems weird considering how much stuff he does in 5, 8 and 20%.
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I doubt that would be possible without it being anmated.
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Honestly we’d be better off trying to find Faux 100% Deku’s speed from him moving so fast the rain drops appeared frozen
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That would require anime I think.
Although, if you think about it...
If we can find where Deku swung himself from the shot of him, Nagant and Chisaki, then calculate the distance between him and Chisaki, then find the distance the bullet moved from Deku getting to and shoving Chisaki, it might be possible to find without having to wait a year and several months for the anime.
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Though, i'm pretty sure that would be hell to calc lol
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ALSO, I just realized the series of events that occurs for the scene, if that makes anything easier.
So Deku is below Nagant, Chisaki is on the building X distance away, and Nagant is around his height.
Deku sees where she is aiming, breaks the Blackwhip strand on his right hand, and hooks onto a building with his left hand.
She shoots the bullet at Chisaki
She shoots ANOTHER bullet at Deku, thus her remark about finishing the job and why there's another panel of her shooting. She is predicting that he won't immediately swing, and will stop just enough for her to hit him.
Deku dodges that bullet by swinging around the building, shocking Nagant as he was in the process of doing so before she even fired. You can see the bullet in his trail on the panel of him swinging.
Deku activates Faux 100% and reaches Chisaki right before the bullet does.
So Deku is below Nagant, Chisaki is on the building X distance away, and Nagant is around his height.
Deku sees where she is aiming, breaks the Blackwhip strand on his right hand, and hooks onto a building with his left hand.
She shoots the bullet at Chisaki
She shoots ANOTHER bullet at Deku, thus her remark about finishing the job and why there's another panel of her shooting. She is predicting that he won't immediately swing, and will stop just enough for her to hit him.
Deku dodges that bullet by swinging around the building, shocking Nagant as he was in the process of doing so before she even fired. You can see the bullet in his trail on the panel of him swinging.
Deku activates Faux 100% and reaches Chisaki right before the bullet does.
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Actually not really at least for timeframe/speed to snail speed rain in general, apparently if something appears to be Frozen you go with garden snail speed aka 0.013m/s
Average human speed 7.7m/s
Garden snail is 0.013
592.3x Gap
Rain is roughly 11m/s
11 x 592 = 6512m/s or Mach 18 Hypersonic+
Meh we gonna need the distance on this one for the frozen rain to matter much
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It's hard to calc this although there's panels where the distance between Nagant and Overhaul is easier to measure. I think it's 5 buildings and the windows on them are also visible so I think one can calculate their width to get the distance between Nagant and Overhaul. It's way harder to calculate how far away Deku was.
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Minor thing to add to this when it comes to calculating timeframes with snail speed pretty sure it is 0.013/11 = 0.0011s
So if he moved 30m for example
30/0.0011s is 27272m/s
Mach 79 High Hypersonic+
13m would be 11818m/s
Mach 34 High hypersonic
Note that Snail speed is a picky thing if in the anime the rain is only slow then any Calc under the assumption of snail speed will be null.
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That too would require an animated scene. In a manga/comic, unless it's literally stated that "X character moved so fast, rain appeared frozen" we cannot assume that.
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Deku also didn’t reach Chisaki before the bullet did. The bullet is way past Chisaki while Deku only just reached where he is standing. Like Deku said, Nagant MISSED.
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What was the general consensus about that time Endeavour began running down the street when that glass controlling villain attacked? Everyone thought he was outrunning a sonic boom based off a fan translation last time I remember.
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No...?
What, did you see the same scene?
Nagant fires at Chisaki first, then she turns and fires another shot at Izuku. Izuku slings around a building, gets grazed by her second shot, and uses Faux 100% to surpass the bullet's speed to push him out of the way. Izuku is not even in the panel when the bullet is right in front of Chisaki's face, how can you say he didn't reach Chisaki before the bullet did?
He can't even be equal with the bullet or the panel we see makes no sense.
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The narrative and Nagant seem to imply that, regardless of the panel, Deku reached Chisaki before the bullet did. Hence his whole "All Might being faster than a speeding bullet" statement right before he pushes him. Maybe just wait for the anime I guess if you're still skeptical.
Also, yeah, Endeavor hears a sonic boom and moves several feet before it reaches Deku, Bakugo and Shoto's ears. Idk if anyone has tried calcing that.
Also, yeah, Endeavor hears a sonic boom and moves several feet before it reaches Deku, Bakugo and Shoto's ears. Idk if anyone has tried calcing that.
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Izuku says "He was off and running before we even heard the sonic boom. That goes beyond just speed."
I'm not sure how that can be calc, since we don't really see how far Endeavor went before they heard it.
I'm not sure how that can be calc, since we don't really see how far Endeavor went before they heard it.
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Also, to cut into that earlier "does Fa Jin increase strength" conversation, Deku didn't even kick Nagant with his Fa Jin leg, so we can't exactly say that it's not around 100% level strength. He breaks her rifle with his left leg, but had Fa Jin stored in his right.
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Either way, Deku should have a "higher" rating for his Attack Potency, Speed and Striking Strength with Fa Jin
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Deku is faster than the bullet but he did not reach Chisaki before the bullet did. Unless you want to say he somehow slowed way, way, way down after outspeeding the bullet so he could push Chisaki and then the bullet passed him?
And i was bringing that up to say that ”feat” is heavily misinterpreted. He didn’t outpace a sonic boom. He was running BEFORE there was a sonic boom, and Deku says “that makes more than just speed”. He’s referring to Endeavour’s amazing experience. He saw/sensed the villain way before anyone else did and began running.
And i was bringing that up to say that ”feat” is heavily misinterpreted. He didn’t outpace a sonic boom. He was running BEFORE there was a sonic boom, and Deku says “that makes more than just speed”. He’s referring to Endeavour’s amazing experience. He saw/sensed the villain way before anyone else did and began running.
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I always wondered how Shoto just “makes ice”. Where does it come from? It can’t come from his skin because he can create it through his clothing like his shoes. Does he just instantly freeze the nearby temperature? Does he spawn it in from another dimension?? BNHA’s greatest mystery.
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He’s probably just freezing the air
It doesn’t make sense given those elements have extremely low boiling points but whatever since it can’t be moisture in the air hes freezing
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Where was it stated that Iida is faster than Torino?
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JT arc when be used Recipro Turbo
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I know the way it's drawn implies the bullet is fast, but I find Deku slowing down after pushing Chisaki more likely otherwise it would make the point of Deku pushing Chisaki completely pointless.
Why would he push Chisaki after the bullet already passed him. It wouldn't make sense. His hand must have reached and pushed Chisaki out of the way first.
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The statement in the officials had nothing to do with speed and more to do with Endeavor's awareness of his surroundings and danger.
It was something like, "before the sound arrived, he already went into action" or something.
Basically Endeavor did not need his hearing to sense that there was danger nearby. He just knew somehow. Maybe sight or some type of hero instinct.
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Calculating the muzzle velocity of Nagnant's bullets is easier than you think.
If we were to use a bit of math, like conversation fo momentum, it would be obvious that the bullets are traveling at velocities nearing that of Mach 40, because it's literally pushing back Deku at tens of meters per second mid-air, which with how little mass the bullet would have, this would be impossible unless it achieved such a speed.
Of course, using the results I've predicted here for another scene other than Deku being pushed back by the bullets would be calc-stacking, but for a general idea of how fast the bullets are, this is decent.
Moreover, it might be better to just wait for Horikoshi's official word commenting on how fast the bullets truly are or wait until this is animated. (If we were to wait for the latter it would take at least a year, but whatever).
And it's not like nobody has attempted to calculate Nagnant's bullets or Deku's speed here. @Therefir has done a few calculations himself which I recommend checking out.
If we were to use a bit of math, like conversation fo momentum, it would be obvious that the bullets are traveling at velocities nearing that of Mach 40, because it's literally pushing back Deku at tens of meters per second mid-air, which with how little mass the bullet would have, this would be impossible unless it achieved such a speed.
Of course, using the results I've predicted here for another scene other than Deku being pushed back by the bullets would be calc-stacking, but for a general idea of how fast the bullets are, this is decent.
Moreover, it might be better to just wait for Horikoshi's official word commenting on how fast the bullets truly are or wait until this is animated. (If we were to wait for the latter it would take at least a year, but whatever).
And it's not like nobody has attempted to calculate Nagnant's bullets or Deku's speed here. @Therefir has done a few calculations himself which I recommend checking out.
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I wonder if her bullets being made of her own hair factor into any calculations. Hair is pretty light.
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In terms of general KE it’s viewed as Taboo unless someone wants to change that standard
Conservation of momentum might be fine since it’s not relying on a energy result really
Just the speed it knocked another object to
But I can imagine it can inflate speed for many verses the same way Ke can so I’m not sure if it would be allowed
But as Earthy said it’s still a good idea as to how fast they are (Some fiddling I did with conservation of momentum got the bullets to Mach 56)
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Just to clarify something, this wouldn't inflate anything. Nagnant's bullets, as unrealistic as they seemingly are, are seemingly portrayed to be way faster than even an ordinary sniper rifle, and even the fastest bullets in the world, (some are 1400+ m/s). I wouldn't be completely surprised if the muzzle velocity was around Mach 90 honestly.
Hell, someone on Space-Battles used the equation and got results within the Mach 8-35 range. With Mach 35 being the most consistent and favorable.
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