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I think Atofe should be in the category between imperial and God.
Perugius(with familiars), Urupen and Necross should probably be in basic God. Otherwise everything looks fine.
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Mushoku Tensei Discussion Thread
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Perugius(with familiars), Urupen and Necross should probably be in basic God. Otherwise everything looks fine.
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God level can be Continental. I don't know.
Digital_Franz
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Should be good. Only those who don't have a level remain.
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Nothing says that emperors aren't close to continental level. Although I think continentals are the highest god levels and the average is quite a bit below.
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how did i accidentally unwatch this-
Digital_Franz
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By marking as read maybe?
Digital_Franz
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Hum. Maybe? I think that FG, Kalman III with FGA, Laplace and Orsted should scale to Multi-Continent level.
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The calc is accepted? to add it to the tier scale
Digital_Franz
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Not yet. If I finish the profiles and it hasn't been evaluated yet I will place it at Continent level and have the profiles evaluated.
Digital_Franz
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Regarding this scaling, when the calcs will be evaluated (
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You mean the 1km boulder he threw at Orsted? If the author gave him a saint/imperial level or something similar, then the author is at it again with his scaling issues. As you can see in the scale, Young Man Rudeus is already a god level in his magic for damaging Orsted. No one outside of the high Gods gets the scale of the Rudeus who faced Orsted.
Digital_Franz
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The thing is that the rock is calculated at 6-B and has no statement of having damaged Orsted. It was more to hold him back. The author didn't really give Rudeus that level but gave the level of the spell. Rudeus god level should be in 6-A/High 6-A to have damaged Orsted.
Also yesterday I corrected some calculation errors which downgraded all High 6-A values in the hundreds of Petatons range and the rock went up to 6-B.
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Regular cannon of Rudeus can make something of damage to Orsted. This spell of the big meteor is stronger than regular cannon
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We already discussed this before and it just doesn't make sense since there are god-class that can't harm Orsted and Rudeus can.
There is more evidence though, like Rudeus being able to damage other god-levels with his magic.
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Who of the God-Class can't harm Orsted?
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The only god-class character I remember who can't harm Orsted is Reida, maybe because she uses water god style which is more defensive than offensive (though I'm not really sure of the exact reason). As for the other god-class fighters, I don't recall any of them ever harming Orsted. FG Alek with dragon king sword couldn't leave a scratch on him. Maybe because Orsted was parrying all his attacks, or Alek couldn't land a hit, or Orsted's stats were amplified by his godsword...
Also, is there any proof that Orsted can be harmed by emperor-level attacks? No hax involved
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Digital_Franz
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Rudeus may not have any God level spells but in terms of power he is. If we say Rudeus is not God level it is like saying Ruijerd can damage Orsted. We have all seen it and we know that even if Orsted does nothing Ruijerd can't hurt him. And Orsted has his own league in God level with Fighting God and Laplace.
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No. The only case is Eris but considering Orsted was just playing with her I don't think that counts.
Digital_Franz
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We know that current Orsted loses to Hitogami. So it is possible that FP Orsted is faster than now or baseline FTL. This could affect the other gods. The scale between them is in terms of speed and maybe power. Hitogami would just get speedblitzed.
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Are you talking about movement speed or combat speed?
Digital_Franz
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Combat speed.
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I think even without this, all god level (except Rudeus) can be given FTL combat speed. We already have a statement that Jino's sword of light was faster than Gal's, from which we can conclude that even a king level sword of light will have FTL, and even without this, Gal has already shown that his sword of light cannot even be seen (at medium range) by those who are at emperor level, considering that they should at least match (and probably even surpass) Ober in terms of reaction.
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It's Zab you need to convince.
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I've tried this already, I think it would be nice to have a full discussion about it (I think it would also be nice if we could set more specific values with speed blitz)
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Do it here. This is the dedicated thread for that.
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I have already put forward my arguments earlier. We were directly told that Gino's sword was faster, even if Gal moved only twice as fast as the reaction speed of everyone in the room, then this would already be FTL if the result of Ober's speed is correct, Eris and Ghyslaine should also surpass Ober's speed in terms of reaction speed (Rudeus can see Ober's attack, but cannot see Eris's movement) and at the same time they cannot do anything against Reida (who, as far as I remember, can also parry Gal's sword of light in 30% of cases) even at a great distance, while Orsted, using almost no force, easily repels all her attacks at point-blank range. Considering that we know for sure that the speed of light is not a limit in the MT world, I don't know why we can't add FTL to Orsted's profile and the rest of the god levels
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She can harm Orsted, he just perfectly countered her when they fought. Every Great Power can damage Orsted, and Reida is stronger than Randolph.
Anyway regarding speed, there is exactly one (1) FTL character. Dragon God-sama, using one particular ability. The Sword of Light is lightspeed at the ultimate level, Gino's Sword of Light is lightspeed.
Digital_Franz
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I have already raised the issue regarding this that Orsted might also possess this ability.
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It cannot be guaranteed that Orsted would receive the same amp. If it's something like a multiplier, then Orsted who is inferior to Dragon God-sama wouldn't necessarily be FTL if he has the ability.
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If the ability allows to surpass SoL then I don't see why he couldn't. However this is just speculation so I would like all the original Gods to have possibly FTL in relativity to Orsted.
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he absolutely blitzed the 2nd strongest god and that was the only statement of FTL we ever got
There is no "possibly" here; if they can’t even keep up properly, it's more likely than not that they were close to the Speed of Light or SoL but couldn’t surpass it. Additionally, I think this also showcases the fact that the author would let us know if someone achieved FTL, which is another strong indication of why they are slower.
There is no "possibly" here; if they can’t even keep up properly, it's more likely than not that they were close to the Speed of Light or SoL but couldn’t surpass it. Additionally, I think this also showcases the fact that the author would let us know if someone achieved FTL, which is another strong indication of why they are slower.
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He wasn't really blitzed but overwhelmed. Also First Dragon God can be above FTL baseline. The same gap that exists between a SoL character and a FTL character can exist between two FTL characters.
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Even taking Orsted out of the equation, Rudeus can still damage with his magic at god levels (Kalman III, Kalman II, Reida, Randolph, etc.) Which already gives him god level.
Digital_Franz
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Really. The author just creates inconsistencies.
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the only thing this indicates is that no one except the first dragon god moved at such a speed. this does not in any way indicate that characters can have FTL combat speed.
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North God Kalman II nearly lost to a Sword Saint wielding Dragon King Sword, which supposedly put him at the level of a Sword Emperor+. Randolph broke his arm vs Zanoba, who Atophe could knock down in their second clash. And again... Rudeus' STRONGER Stone Cannon was Emperor-Class, while a weaker one could give Orsted a papercut.
I'd put Rudeus at the very top of Emperor-Class. He can deal some damage to God-Class, but ultimately he doesn't stand any chance against them in a 1v1, even at a distance.
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Kalman II was in the past, he currently beats Eris 7 times out of 10, the same Eris that Gal Farion says is at his level and she is capable of damaging, albeit slightly, the armor of the fighting god. And since we're talking about Atofe, Rudeus made a easy win of her with some of his stone cannons. Atofe is referred to as a character who is at the level of the 7 great powers not to mention that Zanoba endured the blows of the ogre god in a similar way to an emperor of the north during their fight. He is emperor level a least.
Randolph is still a god level character unless you are suggesting that he should be emperor level.
Rudeus' most powerful attack of stone cannon being emperor is still only the mention of Badigadi (which as mentioned is inconsistent both with what happened before and later with the issue of Orsted and the rest of the characters) as a word from the author outside the work, and we know how authors usually are with inconsistencies nowadays. And it already exists, in terms of words, from Cliff that Rudeus is probably at god level.
I really recommend you review the previous posts and how the scale has been built to notice the inconsistencies that Rudeus creates if his magical power is only emperor level.
He can't handle them due to durability issues, that's what he created the armor for, but in terms of firepower he is at that level.
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I think this only refers to movement, travel, or flying speed. The Demon God was literally mountain-sized, and the Dragon God was creating a continent-sized magic circle around him for 100 days which led to the Demon God’s death. Also, the Demon God wasn’t entirely completely blitzed by the Dragon God, since he was occasionally able to land a blow or interact with the Dragon God who was moving at FTL speeds. I don’t think this feat implies that high-tier characters, or even those at the Sword Saint level and beyond, wouldn’t have FTL combat, reaction, or attack speeds. This only tells us that the highest traveling/movement/flying speed in the verse is FTL, because nobody (except for the original Dragon God), even Orsted, can travel as fast as Arumanfi's traveling/movement/flying speed (much more, that was DDK Laplace's POV).
The verse’s recognition of FTL speeds, particularly through the feats of the original Dragon God, suggests that the speed of light is not the ultimate cap within the world. This just literally tells us that high-level characters, even those weaker than the original Gods, like Orsted, Gal, and Ghislaine, could achieve FTL speeds in specific contexts, particularly in combat/reaction/attack speed. Their ability to react to and counter lightspeed attacks implies that they may operate at or near FTL speeds when it comes to short bursts of combat activity, even if they don't possess sustained FTL travel speed like the original Dragon God. (If Laplace can't perceive the battle between the Beast God and Dragon God, but can described how fast Dragon God can go, then the statement "faster than light" would just be a baseline for the Dragon God's speed)
I think there are many indications that characters at the Sword Saint level and beyond can achieve FTL combat/reaction/attack speeds. For example, they sometimes claim, "My LsoL is faster than your LsoL." While I don’t recall anyone explicitly saying this, similar statements do occur.
For instance, the duel between Nina and Eris for the Sword King title, Nina executed a perfect LsoL toward Eris, but Eris reduced her AP to make her LsoL faster and outpaced Nina (Vol. 14 extra chapter, "The Birth of the New Sword King").
Sword God Jino can also move even faster if he uses a real sword. The Longsword of Light is stated to be lightspeed, which I consider a baseline for anyone using that technique. Unless someone can convince me that the speed of light is the absolute maximum for that technique, I don’t see how these battles aren’t considered FTL, especially when discussing Orsted who is supposedly faster and stronger than any generation of Sword Gods. The title of Sword God can only be achieved if you can outpace the current holder (the author stated that the first Sword God could easily blitz the current Sword Gods "instantly" he says, so the first Sword God might have died of old age rather than being defeated or maybe he is extremely weakened that he got defeated, or maybe was killed by someone that is stronger and not a sword god, like Demon God Laplace for example). Also, Water Gods and Sword Gods do duels centuries ago for the Sword Sanctum. We don’t know how the fight would have turned out, but the need to react and attack faster than the opponent suggests that these characters would indeed be FTL in terms of combat, reaction, and attack speed.
Is the speed of the Sword of Light's attack only determined by how the user executes it? Isn't a duel between users starts at the same time? Even if they don't, they can exchange blows and some certain scenario, they can't see it which gets them blitzed
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Are there any statements or evidence that the Creation God created stars or universes?
I would really like to see a scan of that because in ODT, it only mentions that the God simply created many "worlds" and then died. Also, are there any explicit statements about the size of the Void world?
I would really like to see a scan of that because in ODT, it only mentions that the God simply created many "worlds" and then died. Also, are there any explicit statements about the size of the Void world?
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