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Mushoku Tensei Discussion Thread

I'm back from my vacation and I've seen that no one has commented on the feats I posted. Well, I'm updating the tier now and with this I think I'll finish my contributions for now.

Well people, I proceed to update the scale with the data from volume 23, 24, 25 and 26:

TIER LIST

Orsted FP = Universal/Planet
Max of Paul´s Short Sword
Orsted = Dragon God
Kalman III Fighting Armor
Fighting God = Dragon God Laplace (Demon God x2)
Rudeus Magic Armor MK0
Mirai Old Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5)
Young Man Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5)
Mirai Old Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3)
Young Man Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3)
Laplace = Demon God = Technique God
Gino = Sword God
Kalman III = North God
Rudeus Magic Armor MKI
Gal Farion = Sword God
Kalman II = North God
Mirai Old Rudeus Magic
Young Man Rudeus Magic
Kalman I = North God
Reida = Water God

God Level = Atofe = Ogre God = Randolph = Death God

Eris LN15 = Nina LN 15 = Isolte = Mirai Old Rudeus With Armor
Youth Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5) > 2,3 TER TNT

Imperial Level = Youth Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3) = Zanoba = Dogha = Ruijerd = Auber > 1,38 TER TNT

Youth Rudeus Aqua Hartia Fire (x2) > 920 GIG TNT
Hydra
Roxy Staff Water King (x2) > 460 GIG TNT
Badigadi = Almanfi = Ghislaine
Peridot

King Level = Youth Rudeus Magic = Wii Taa = Calina > 460 GIG TNT

Roxy King > 230 GIG TNT
Roxy Staff Fire King (x0,5) > 115 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5) > 115 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3) > 69 GIG TNT
Fitts Magic (>1/7 Youth Rudeus Magic) > 65 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Aqua Hartia Fire (x2) > 46 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Magic
Jinas Halfas Magic = Nina

Paul LN12 >= Saint Level = Rudeus Magic Armor MKII = Gino = Funeral Procession = Roxy Staff Water (x2) = Gallus Cleaner = Benebene = Klein Dinoltas = Nuckle = Gard = 23 GIG TNT
The calc for the 23 GIG TNT: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Mushoku_Tensei:_Rudeus_makes_a_storm

Eris LN6 = ~20 GIG TNT -> Close to Saint
Roxy Magic = 11,5 GIG TNT
Roxy Staff Fire (x0,5) = 5,75 GIG TNT
Class A Monster
Cliff Magic
Paul
7º Year Student Magic

Gyes >= Advanced Level = Eris = Soldat = New Guardian Knight = Conrad Magic = Silphiette Magic = Strong Bandit = Linia Magic = Pursena Magic = Leno Magic = 5º Year Student Magic

Class B Monster = Elinalise
Class C Monster
Class D Monster
Young Man Rudeus
Mirai Old Rudeus
Youth Rudeus
Luke = Linia = Pursena
3º Year Student Magic
Pope´s Assassin

Intermediate Level = Adult Norn = Adult Pax Magic = Pax Magic = Timothy Magic = Roxy Child Magic = Ginger = Therese = Juvenile Rudeus = Regular Swordsman

Infancy Rudeus -> Close to Intermediate
Eris Magic

Beginner Level = Lucie Magic = Elinalise Magic = Ghislaine Magic = Patrice Magic = Aisha Magic

Nokopara
Adult Pax
Geese = Mimir = Timothy
Zenith = Lilia = Jinas Halfas
Pax > Fitts = Nanahoshi
Roxy
Class E Monster
Cliff
Kishirika
Ashia = Norn
Silphiette
Lucie
Roxy Child
Min Paul´s Short Sword

No Level

The changes:

.- Incorpore Gino Sword God as above Gal Farion Sword God
.- Change Technique God to put him at the level of Demon God Laplace
.- Incorpore Dogha as north emperor
.- Incorpore Ogre God as basic God Level
.- Incorpore Kalman III as stronger than Kalman II and Gal Farion (Have better feats) but weaker than Gino
.- Change Rudeus Magic Armor MKI to put him weaker than Kalman III
.- Specify that Fighting God and Dragon God Laplace to be x2 Demon God Laplace
.- Incorpore Rudeus Magic Armor MK0 as stronger than Rudeus Magic Armor MKI but weaker than Fighting God
.- Incorpore Kalman III with the armor of The Fighting God as the strongest character but weaker than Orsted

The new Modifications:

.- Modify Atofe and put her in basic God Level
.- Modify Zanoba and put him in Emperor Level
.- Modify Eris LN15, Nina LN 15, Isolte and Mirai Old Rudeus With Armor and put them above regular Emperor and near to God Level
.- Incorpore Kalman I as stronger than Atofe

Previous Doubts:

.- I don't know where the following characters will be: Bloody Kant, Blaze, Dale, Leno, Gadalf Rangid, Talhand, Shierria, Vierra, Class S- Monster, Sara, Suzanne, Patrice, Elmore, Kleene, Nights Eyes Crow, Goliade, Conrad, Sylvarill, Perugius, Moore, Dragon God Urupen, Necross Lacross, Hero Ars, Argantos and Argantos Summons.

.- I will waiting the aproach we finaly take to add the advanced tier calc

Now please, I would like all to review the entire tier and highlight any inconsistencies or possible improvements that they see possible.
I think Atofe should be in the category between imperial and God.
Perugius(with familiars), Urupen and Necross should probably be in basic God. Otherwise everything looks fine.
 
I'm back from my vacation and I've seen that no one has commented on the feats I posted. Well, I'm updating the tier now and with this I think I'll finish my contributions for now.

Well people, I proceed to update the scale with the data from volume 23, 24, 25 and 26:

TIER LIST

Orsted FP = Universal/Planet
Max of Paul´s Short Sword
Orsted = Dragon God
Kalman III Fighting Armor
Fighting God = Dragon God Laplace (Demon God x2)
Rudeus Magic Armor MK0
Mirai Old Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5)
Young Man Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5)
Mirai Old Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3)
Young Man Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3)
Laplace = Demon God = Technique God
Gino = Sword God
Kalman III = North God
Rudeus Magic Armor MKI
Gal Farion = Sword God
Kalman II = North God
Mirai Old Rudeus Magic
Young Man Rudeus Magic
Kalman I = North God
Reida = Water God

God Level = Atofe = Ogre God = Randolph = Death God

Eris LN15 = Nina LN 15 = Isolte = Mirai Old Rudeus With Armor
Youth Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5) > 2,3 TER TNT

Imperial Level = Youth Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3) = Zanoba = Dogha = Ruijerd = Auber > 1,38 TER TNT

Youth Rudeus Aqua Hartia Fire (x2) > 920 GIG TNT
Hydra
Roxy Staff Water King (x2) > 460 GIG TNT
Badigadi = Almanfi = Ghislaine
Peridot

King Level = Youth Rudeus Magic = Wii Taa = Calina > 460 GIG TNT

Roxy King > 230 GIG TNT
Roxy Staff Fire King (x0,5) > 115 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5) > 115 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3) > 69 GIG TNT
Fitts Magic (>1/7 Youth Rudeus Magic) > 65 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Aqua Hartia Fire (x2) > 46 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Magic
Jinas Halfas Magic = Nina

Paul LN12 >= Saint Level = Rudeus Magic Armor MKII = Gino = Funeral Procession = Roxy Staff Water (x2) = Gallus Cleaner = Benebene = Klein Dinoltas = Nuckle = Gard = 23 GIG TNT
The calc for the 23 GIG TNT: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Mushoku_Tensei:_Rudeus_makes_a_storm

Eris LN6 = ~20 GIG TNT -> Close to Saint
Roxy Magic = 11,5 GIG TNT
Roxy Staff Fire (x0,5) = 5,75 GIG TNT
Class A Monster
Cliff Magic
Paul
7º Year Student Magic

Gyes >= Advanced Level = Eris = Soldat = New Guardian Knight = Conrad Magic = Silphiette Magic = Strong Bandit = Linia Magic = Pursena Magic = Leno Magic = 5º Year Student Magic

Class B Monster = Elinalise
Class C Monster
Class D Monster
Young Man Rudeus
Mirai Old Rudeus
Youth Rudeus
Luke = Linia = Pursena
3º Year Student Magic
Pope´s Assassin

Intermediate Level = Adult Norn = Adult Pax Magic = Pax Magic = Timothy Magic = Roxy Child Magic = Ginger = Therese = Juvenile Rudeus = Regular Swordsman

Infancy Rudeus -> Close to Intermediate
Eris Magic

Beginner Level = Lucie Magic = Elinalise Magic = Ghislaine Magic = Patrice Magic = Aisha Magic

Nokopara
Adult Pax
Geese = Mimir = Timothy
Zenith = Lilia = Jinas Halfas
Pax > Fitts = Nanahoshi
Roxy
Class E Monster
Cliff
Kishirika
Ashia = Norn
Silphiette
Lucie
Roxy Child
Min Paul´s Short Sword

No Level

The changes:

.- Incorpore Gino Sword God as above Gal Farion Sword God
.- Change Technique God to put him at the level of Demon God Laplace
.- Incorpore Dogha as north emperor
.- Incorpore Ogre God as basic God Level
.- Incorpore Kalman III as stronger than Kalman II and Gal Farion (Have better feats) but weaker than Gino
.- Change Rudeus Magic Armor MKI to put him weaker than Kalman III
.- Specify that Fighting God and Dragon God Laplace to be x2 Demon God Laplace
.- Incorpore Rudeus Magic Armor MK0 as stronger than Rudeus Magic Armor MKI but weaker than Fighting God
.- Incorpore Kalman III with the armor of The Fighting God as the strongest character but weaker than Orsted

The new Modifications:

.- Modify Atofe and put her in basic God Level
.- Modify Zanoba and put him in Emperor Level
.- Modify Eris LN15, Nina LN 15, Isolte and Mirai Old Rudeus With Armor and put them above regular Emperor and near to God Level
.- Incorpore Kalman I as stronger than Atofe

Previous Doubts:

.- I don't know where the following characters will be: Bloody Kant, Blaze, Dale, Leno, Gadalf Rangid, Talhand, Shierria, Vierra, Class S- Monster, Sara, Suzanne, Patrice, Elmore, Kleene, Nights Eyes Crow, Goliade, Conrad, Sylvarill, Perugius, Moore, Dragon God Urupen, Necross Lacross, Hero Ars, Argantos and Argantos Summons.

.- I will waiting the aproach we finaly take to add the advanced tier calc

Now please, I would like all to review the entire tier and highlight any inconsistencies or possible improvements that they see possible.
Should be good. Only those who don't have a level remain.
 
Well people, I proceed to update the scale with the data from volume 20, 21 and 22:

TIER LIST

Orsted FP = Universal/Planet
Max of Paul´s Short Sword
Orsted = Dragon God
Fighting God = Dragon God Laplace
Laplace = Technique God
Mirai Old Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5)
Young Man Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5)
Mirai Old Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3)
Young Man Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3)
Rudeus Magic Armor MKI
Laplace = Demon God
Gald Farion = Sword God
Kalman II = North God
Mirai Old Rudeus Magic
Young Man Rudeus Magic
Reida = Water God

God Level = Randolph = Death God

Youth Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5) > 2,3 TER TNT

Imperial Level = Youth Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3) = Ruijerd = Auber = Eris LN15 = Nina LN 15 = Isolte = Mirai Old Rudeus With Armor > 1,38 TER TNT

Youth Rudeus Aqua Hartia Fire (x2) > 920 GIG TNT
Hydra
Roxy Staff Water King (x2) > 460 GIG TNT

Zanoba = Atofe = Peridot >= King Level = Youth Rudeus Magic = Badigadi = Almanfi = Ghislaine = Wii Taa = Calina

Roxy King > 230 GIG TNT
Roxy Staff Fire King (x0,5) > 115 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5) > 115 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3) > 69 GIG TNT
Fitts Magic (>1/7 Youth Rudeus Magic) > 65 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Aqua Hartia Fire (x2) > 46 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Magic
Jinas Halfas Magic = Nina

Paul LN12 >= Saint Level = Rudeus Magic Armor MKII = Gino = Funeral Procession = Roxy Staff Water (x2) = Gallus Cleaner = Benebene = Klein Dinoltas = Nuckle = Gard = 23 GIG TNT
The calc for the 23 GIG TNT: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Mushoku_Tensei:_Rudeus_makes_a_storm

Eris LN6 = ~20 GIG TNT -> Close to Saint
Roxy Magic = 11,5 GIG TNT
Roxy Staff Fire (x0,5) = 5,75 GIG TNT
Class A Monster
Cliff Magic
Paul
7º Year Student Magic

Gyes >= Advanced Level = Eris = Soldat = New Guardian Knight = Conrad Magic = Silphiette Magic = Strong Bandit = Linia Magic = Pursena Magic = Leno Magic = 5º Year Student Magic

Class B Monster = Elinalise
Class C Monster
Class D Monster
Young Man Rudeus
Mirai Old Rudeus
Youth Rudeus
Luke = Linia = Pursena
3º Year Student Magic
Pope´s Assassin

Intermediate Level = Adult Norn = Adult Pax Magic = Pax Magic = Timothy Magic = Roxy Child Magic = Ginger = Therese = Juvenile Rudeus = Regular Swordsman

Infancy Rudeus -> Close to Intermediate
Eris Magic

Beginner Level = Lucie Magic = Elinalise Magic = Ghislaine Magic = Patrice Magic = Aisha Magic

Nokopara
Adult Pax
Geese = Mimir = Timothy
Zenith = Lilia = Jinas Halfas
Pax > Fitts = Nanahoshi
Roxy
Class E Monster
Cliff
Kishirika
Ashia = Norn
Silphiette
Lucie
Roxy Child
Min Paul´s Short Sword

No Level

The changes:

.- Incorpore Max Paul´s Short Sword as stronger than Orsted
.- Incorpore Min Paul´s Short Sword as the weakest
.- Incorpore Adult Norn as Intermediate
.- Incorpore Lucie Magic as Beginner
.- Incorpore Lucie based in her physical
.- Incorpore The New Guardian Knights as advanced
.- Incorpore Funeral Procession as saint
.- Incorpore Calina as King
.- Incorpore Benebene as Saint
.- Incorpore Peridot stronger than Calina as minimum
.- Remove Isolte from King. I have her duplicated, one in emperor other in king

Doubts:

.- I don't know where the following characters will be: Necross Lacross, Hero Ars, Argantos, Argantos Summons, Kalman I and Kalman III

At this point I think we should distinguish two levels within the king range that we currently have:

I will show you how it is now and I will indicate how I would leave it pending approval and your opinions:

Old:

Zanoba = Atofe = Peridot >= King Level = Youth Rudeus Magic = Badigadi = Almanfi = Ghislaine = Wii Taa = Calina

My Opinion:

Zanoba = Atofe
Badigadi = Almanfi = Ghislaine
Peridot
King Level = Youth Rudeus Magic = Wii Taa = Calina > 460 GIG TNT

Basically it would be moving

Badigadi = Almanfi = Ghislaine

A few steps above the average King. Everything basically scales from Ghislaine, Almanfi and Badigadi scale from her. Ghislaine has better feats, comparisons and statements than most of the kings that appear (interestingly these kings are of the northern style, like Wi Taa or Carlina).

The only thing that shocks me about this is that these three up until now, and especially at the beginning of the series, were what had been presented to us as the standard of king level.

So with this new scale whoever is king level could not automatically be given the level of these, but rather something like: "He has king level, he should be comparable to Wi Taa, who was able to give Ghislaine some fight."

Previous Doubts:

.- I don't know where the following characters will be: Bloody Kant, Blaze, Dale, Leno, Gadalf Rangid, Talhand, Shierria, Vierra, Class S- Monster, Sara, Suzanne, Patrice, Ogre God, Elmore, Kleene, Nights Eyes Crow, Goliade, Conrad, Sylvarill, Perugius, Moore and Dragon God Urupen

.- I will waiting the aproach we finaly take to add the advanced tier calc
Regarding this scaling, when the calcs will be evaluated (accepted lol), would it be possible to scale/downscale the King level to the rock that Rudeus created since the author hesitated between the Saint level and the Imperial level and scale/upscale the Imperial level to Mana Calamity?(of course by dividing the energy).
 
Regarding this scaling, when the calcs will be evaluated (accepted lol), would it be possible to scale/downscale the King level to the rock that Rudeus created since the author hesitated between the Saint level and the Imperial level and scale/upscale the Imperial level to Mana Calamity?(of course by dividing the energy).
You mean the 1km boulder he threw at Orsted? If the author gave him a saint/imperial level or something similar, then the author is at it again with his scaling issues. As you can see in the scale, Young Man Rudeus is already a god level in his magic for damaging Orsted. No one outside of the high Gods gets the scale of the Rudeus who faced Orsted.
 
You mean the 1km boulder he threw at Orsted? If the author gave him a saint/imperial level or something similar, then the author is at it again with his scaling issues. As you can see in the scale, Young Man Rudeus is already a god level in his magic for damaging Orsted. No one outside of the high Gods gets the scale of the Rudeus who faced Orsted.
The thing is that the rock is calculated at 6-B and has no statement of having damaged Orsted. It was more to hold him back. The author didn't really give Rudeus that level but gave the level of the spell. Rudeus god level should be in 6-A/High 6-A to have damaged Orsted.

Also yesterday I corrected some calculation errors which downgraded all High 6-A values in the hundreds of Petatons range and the rock went up to 6-B.
 
The thing is that the rock is calculated at 6-B and has no statement of having damaged Orsted. It was more to hold him back. The author didn't really give Rudeus that level but gave the level of the spell. Rudeus god level should be in 6-A/High 6-A to have damaged Orsted.
Regular cannon of Rudeus can make something of damage to Orsted. This spell of the big meteor is stronger than regular cannon
 
Rudeus' ass is still not God-Class.
We already discussed this before and it just doesn't make sense since there are god-class that can't harm Orsted and Rudeus can.

There is more evidence though, like Rudeus being able to damage other god-levels with his magic.
 
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Who of the God-Class can't harm Orsted?
The only god-class character I remember who can't harm Orsted is Reida, maybe because she uses water god style which is more defensive than offensive (though I'm not really sure of the exact reason). As for the other god-class fighters, I don't recall any of them ever harming Orsted. FG Alek with dragon king sword couldn't leave a scratch on him. Maybe because Orsted was parrying all his attacks, or Alek couldn't land a hit, or Orsted's stats were amplified by his godsword...

Also, is there any proof that Orsted can be harmed by emperor-level attacks? No hax involved
 
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Rudeus' ass is still not God-Class.
Rudeus may not have any God level spells but in terms of power he is. If we say Rudeus is not God level it is like saying Ruijerd can damage Orsted. We have all seen it and we know that even if Orsted does nothing Ruijerd can't hurt him. And Orsted has his own league in God level with Fighting God and Laplace.
 
Who of the God-Class can't harm Orsted?
Also Zab I have to switch to my usual speed wank. I need to get the original gods to FTL.
We know that current Orsted loses to Hitogami. So it is possible that FP Orsted is faster than now or baseline FTL. This could affect the other gods. The scale between them is in terms of speed and maybe power. Hitogami would just get speedblitzed.
 
Also Zab I have to switch to my usual speed wank. I need to get the original gods to FTL.
We know that current Orsted loses to Hitogami. So it is possible that FP Orsted is faster than now or baseline FTL. This could affect the other gods. The scale between them is in terms of speed and maybe power. Hitogami would just get speedblitzed.
Are you talking about movement speed or combat speed?
 
Combat speed.
I think even without this, all god level (except Rudeus) can be given FTL combat speed. We already have a statement that Jino's sword of light was faster than Gal's, from which we can conclude that even a king level sword of light will have FTL, and even without this, Gal has already shown that his sword of light cannot even be seen (at medium range) by those who are at emperor level, considering that they should at least match (and probably even surpass) Ober in terms of reaction.
 
I think even without this, all god level (except Rudeus) can be given FTL combat speed. We already have a statement that Jino's sword of light was faster than Gal's, from which we can conclude that even a king level sword of light will have FTL, and even without this, Gal has already shown that his sword of light cannot even be seen (at medium range) by those who are at emperor level, considering that they should at least match (and probably even surpass) Ober in terms of reaction.
It's Zab you need to convince.
 
Do it here. This is the dedicated thread for that.
I have already put forward my arguments earlier. We were directly told that Gino's sword was faster, even if Gal moved only twice as fast as the reaction speed of everyone in the room, then this would already be FTL if the result of Ober's speed is correct, Eris and Ghyslaine should also surpass Ober's speed in terms of reaction speed (Rudeus can see Ober's attack, but cannot see Eris's movement) and at the same time they cannot do anything against Reida (who, as far as I remember, can also parry Gal's sword of light in 30% of cases) even at a great distance, while Orsted, using almost no force, easily repels all her attacks at point-blank range. Considering that we know for sure that the speed of light is not a limit in the MT world, I don't know why we can't add FTL to Orsted's profile and the rest of the god levels
 
The only god-class character I remember who can't harm Orsted is Reida
She can harm Orsted, he just perfectly countered her when they fought. Every Great Power can damage Orsted, and Reida is stronger than Randolph.


Anyway regarding speed, there is exactly one (1) FTL character. Dragon God-sama, using one particular ability. The Sword of Light is lightspeed at the ultimate level, Gino's Sword of Light is lightspeed.
 
I have already raised the issue regarding this that Orsted might also possess this ability.
It cannot be guaranteed that Orsted would receive the same amp. If it's something like a multiplier, then Orsted who is inferior to Dragon God-sama wouldn't necessarily be FTL if he has the ability.
 
It cannot be guaranteed that Orsted would receive the same amp. If it's something like a multiplier, then Orsted who is inferior to Dragon God-sama wouldn't necessarily be FTL if he has the ability.
If the ability allows to surpass SoL then I don't see why he couldn't. However this is just speculation so I would like all the original Gods to have possibly FTL in relativity to Orsted.
 
he absolutely blitzed the 2nd strongest god and that was the only statement of FTL we ever got
There is no "possibly" here; if they can’t even keep up properly, it's more likely than not that they were close to the Speed of Light or SoL but couldn’t surpass it. Additionally, I think this also showcases the fact that the author would let us know if someone achieved FTL, which is another strong indication of why they are slower.

Dragon God-sama, who had been preserving his strength until this moment, appeared in Demon World in perfect form.

The final duel began.

I was worried.

It wasn’t that I don’t think Dragon God-sama could defeat the mountain-sized Demon God.

But the wounds he suffered in other worlds had yet to heal…

However, it seemed that I worried for nothing.

A golden light shone from the Dragon God-sama’s body as he began to move faster than light.

Demon God’s punch and kicks had difficulty connecting.

On the rare occasion when they did land, it was Demon God that was blown away.

Dragon God-sama was overpowering.

But when a body part of Demon God was blown off, it would immediately regenerate. Demon God would launch into another attack, so Dragon God-sama failed to gain an upper hand.
 
he absolutely blitzed the 2nd strongest god and that was the only statement of FTL we ever got
There is no "possibly" here; if they can’t even keep up properly, it's more likely than not that they were close to the Speed of Light or SoL but couldn’t surpass it. Additionally, I think this also showcases the fact that the author would let us know if someone achieved FTL, which is another strong indication of why they are slower.
He wasn't really blitzed but overwhelmed. Also First Dragon God can be above FTL baseline. The same gap that exists between a SoL character and a FTL character can exist between two FTL characters.
 
he absolutely blitzed the 2nd strongest god and that was the only statement of FTL we ever got
There is no "possibly" here; if they can’t even keep up properly, it's more likely than not that they were close to the Speed of Light or SoL but couldn’t surpass it. Additionally, I think this also showcases the fact that the author would let us know if someone achieved FTL, which is another strong indication of why they are slower.
the only thing this indicates is that no one except the first dragon god moved at such a speed. this does not in any way indicate that characters can have FTL combat speed.
 
Even taking Orsted out of the equation, Rudeus can still damage with his magic at god levels (Kalman III, Kalman II, Reida, Randolph, etc.) Which already gives him god level.
North God Kalman II nearly lost to a Sword Saint wielding Dragon King Sword, which supposedly put him at the level of a Sword Emperor+. Randolph broke his arm vs Zanoba, who Atophe could knock down in their second clash. And again... Rudeus' STRONGER Stone Cannon was Emperor-Class, while a weaker one could give Orsted a papercut.

I'd put Rudeus at the very top of Emperor-Class. He can deal some damage to God-Class, but ultimately he doesn't stand any chance against them in a 1v1, even at a distance.
 
North God Kalman II nearly lost to a Sword Saint wielding Dragon King Sword, which supposedly put him at the level of a Sword Emperor+. Randolph broke his arm vs Zanoba, who Atophe could knock down in their second clash. And again... Rudeus' STRONGER Stone Cannon was Emperor-Class, while a weaker one could give Orsted a papercut.
Kalman II was in the past, he currently beats Eris 7 times out of 10, the same Eris that Gal Farion says is at his level and she is capable of damaging, albeit slightly, the armor of the fighting god. And since we're talking about Atofe, Rudeus made a easy win of her with some of his stone cannons. Atofe is referred to as a character who is at the level of the 7 great powers not to mention that Zanoba endured the blows of the ogre god in a similar way to an emperor of the north during their fight. He is emperor level a least.

Randolph is still a god level character unless you are suggesting that he should be emperor level.

Rudeus' most powerful attack of stone cannon being emperor is still only the mention of Badigadi (which as mentioned is inconsistent both with what happened before and later with the issue of Orsted and the rest of the characters) as a word from the author outside the work, and we know how authors usually are with inconsistencies nowadays. And it already exists, in terms of words, from Cliff that Rudeus is probably at god level.

I really recommend you review the previous posts and how the scale has been built to notice the inconsistencies that Rudeus creates if his magical power is only emperor level.
I'd put Rudeus at the very top of Emperor-Class. He can deal some damage to God-Class, but ultimately he doesn't stand any chance against them in a 1v1, even at a distance.
He can't handle them due to durability issues, that's what he created the armor for, but in terms of firepower he is at that level.
 
he absolutely blitzed the 2nd strongest god and that was the only statement of FTL we ever got
There is no "possibly" here; if they can’t even keep up properly, it's more likely than not that they were close to the Speed of Light or SoL but couldn’t surpass it. Additionally, I think this also showcases the fact that the author would let us know if someone achieved FTL, which is another strong indication of why they are slower.
I think this only refers to movement, travel, or flying speed. The Demon God was literally mountain-sized, and the Dragon God was creating a continent-sized magic circle around him for 100 days which led to the Demon God’s death. Also, the Demon God wasn’t entirely completely blitzed by the Dragon God, since he was occasionally able to land a blow or interact with the Dragon God who was moving at FTL speeds. I don’t think this feat implies that high-tier characters, or even those at the Sword Saint level and beyond, wouldn’t have FTL combat, reaction, or attack speeds. This only tells us that the highest traveling/movement/flying speed in the verse is FTL, because nobody (except for the original Dragon God), even Orsted, can travel as fast as Arumanfi's traveling/movement/flying speed (much more, that was DDK Laplace's POV).

The verse’s recognition of FTL speeds, particularly through the feats of the original Dragon God, suggests that the speed of light is not the ultimate cap within the world. This just literally tells us that high-level characters, even those weaker than the original Gods, like Orsted, Gal, and Ghislaine, could achieve FTL speeds in specific contexts, particularly in combat/reaction/attack speed. Their ability to react to and counter lightspeed attacks implies that they may operate at or near FTL speeds when it comes to short bursts of combat activity, even if they don't possess sustained FTL travel speed like the original Dragon God. (If Laplace can't perceive the battle between the Beast God and Dragon God, but can described how fast Dragon God can go, then the statement "faster than light" would just be a baseline for the Dragon God's speed)

I think there are many indications that characters at the Sword Saint level and beyond can achieve FTL combat/reaction/attack speeds. For example, they sometimes claim, "My LsoL is faster than your LsoL." While I don’t recall anyone explicitly saying this, similar statements do occur.

For instance, the duel between Nina and Eris for the Sword King title, Nina executed a perfect LsoL toward Eris, but Eris reduced her AP to make her LsoL faster and outpaced Nina (Vol. 14 extra chapter, "The Birth of the New Sword King").

Sword God Jino can also move even faster if he uses a real sword. The Longsword of Light is stated to be lightspeed, which I consider a baseline for anyone using that technique. Unless someone can convince me that the speed of light is the absolute maximum for that technique, I don’t see how these battles aren’t considered FTL, especially when discussing Orsted who is supposedly faster and stronger than any generation of Sword Gods. The title of Sword God can only be achieved if you can outpace the current holder (the author stated that the first Sword God could easily blitz the current Sword Gods "instantly" he says, so the first Sword God might have died of old age rather than being defeated or maybe he is extremely weakened that he got defeated, or maybe was killed by someone that is stronger and not a sword god, like Demon God Laplace for example). Also, Water Gods and Sword Gods do duels centuries ago for the Sword Sanctum. We don’t know how the fight would have turned out, but the need to react and attack faster than the opponent suggests that these characters would indeed be FTL in terms of combat, reaction, and attack speed.

Is the speed of the Sword of Light's attack only determined by how the user executes it? Isn't a duel between users starts at the same time? Even if they don't, they can exchange blows and some certain scenario, they can't see it which gets them blitzed
 
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Are there any statements or evidence that the Creation God created stars or universes?

I would really like to see a scan of that because in ODT, it only mentions that the God simply created many "worlds" and then died. Also, are there any explicit statements about the size of the Void world?
 
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