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Here, right before they were about to destroy the Demon World. They were still able to summon a fish from the already collapsed Sea World
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Mushoku Tensei Discussion Thread
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Zabazab
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Ok Tier 2 is cooked for anyone that isn't Creator God I fear.
Digital_Franz
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Uh uh.
Hitogami has a better feat as his attack destroyed the space-time.
Orsted has a better statement.
For the Sea World uh I don't know what author-sensei just cooked. Maybe the process wasn't finished. In the main story we know that these worlds are completely destroyed. Weird.
Also, I think that the destruction of a world after the death of its god takes longer compared to the direct destruction of the world by a god.
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if saint class fighters are already putting out gigaton level attacks, then how strong are advanced class fighters supposed to be? like what’s the baseline and the strongest feat for that class in the verse? also, i heard there's a statement from the author saying that king and emperor class are kinda on the same level? is that legit, or is there more context behind it....
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So long already 
Well, they are not really very powerful. They are probably just in Tier 8 (At most 8-C).
From this level on it's more a question of quantity of mana, something like that.
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Indeed, but isn't the question about the difference between emperor-tier and king-tier? In any case, I'll think about that when I finish the scaling.
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oh sorry, I misread, but still thanks because i wasn't sure about it myself.
and if there is such a possibility I wanted to ask if it is possible to use Wn and Subjugation of the King Dragon King as sources of additional information or will we just ignore them? for example like feats like the one where Rudeus froze the Great Forest which as far as I know was removed in Ln, or descriptions like when in Ln Rudeus says that his meteorite fell in a split second and in Wn he says that it seemed to teleport? in the case of Subjugation I wanted to read it because it is an additional story about Kalman 2 but it was written before MT and as stated has discrepancies with the main series, so will it be possible to use what does not contradict the story as real feats (if there is something useful there)?
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i think as long as WN doesnt contradict the main story it is fine to use, as is with most other light novels series on the platform
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the highest could be anywhere from high 6A, 5B to low 2C
Edit: is anybody even making the profile though?
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I've been working on it for a long time, but some unforeseen events irl have delayed me a lot.
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"This time, however, was different. The usual feelings of self-contemptany evidence/arguments for soul manipulation/hax and spatial hax?
advance merry christmas everyone
didn’t rise up. Instead, I experienced a sense of loss, as if I had a gaping hole
in my chest. I looked down to find there was indeed a large opening there.
Ah, I knew it. I really did die…"
Rudeus was in the void world, and he had a hole in his chest from Orsted's blow. and this is the place where souls go after death
we also know that Orsted's curse works specifically on people's souls (it doesn't affect Rudeus who has a soul from another world despite the fact that his body is from the same world as the others). and as Cliff said it is related to the mana his body secretes because the Orsted mana itself is cursed. Which means that the Orsted mana as a whole already has an effect on souls
" “The third one is the best. I tried using the Flac Method on the first one
to transform his mana, but that completely backfired. That means it’s highly
possible that your mana itself carries the curse.”
“His very mana is cursed?” I asked in disbelief.
“Yes,” Cliff said. “The moment Orsted’s—that is, Sir Orsted’s—mana
enters someone’s line of sight, the curse activates. That’s how it seems to me.” "
In addition, there are smaller details that could point to something similar. We know that the relics that Orsted collects are made from fragments of divine jewels, and they are connected to the souls of those who own them (Laplace reincarnates by sending his own soul into the future and Orsted can kill him as a child to get it). and we also see that these are not ordinary physical objects:
"Dragon God-sama took one of the divine jewels and placed it on the child's chest... it sank inside."
and Hitogami (who actually has all the same arguments for this as Orsted) tore the divine jewel from the chest of the first dragon god
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I don't know if this is really enough, but the only real contradiction I can think of is that how Rudeus looks depends on how he sees himself, so he could see the hole because he thought he died. although we also know that Rudeus' soul always looked the same to Hitogami the entire time he was looking at Rudeus even when he wasn't in the void world:any evidence/arguments for soul manipulation/hax and spatial hax?
advance merry christmas everyone
""No. My eyes see straight to the soul. I knew there was something different between your body and your soul, but this is the first time I've actually seen you " .
And Rudeus himself says that the hole in his chest disappeared before he could even realize anything:
"Before I knew what was happening, the hole in my chest had
disappeared."
We were also never told that his image in that world somehow changed when he lost his arm, for example, so...
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with spatial manipulation, the only thing I know is this moment:any evidence/arguments for soul manipulation/hax and spatial hax?
advance merry christmas everyone
"But this blow from Dragon God-sama seemed to distort the world.
Everything seemed out of place.
In fact, everything was split in half.
The sky, the clouds, the dragons flying in the distance, the approaching fortress.
Everything cut in half.
What are dragon scales against a god?
What is the point of defenses in a splinter of wood?
The enormous fortress was split in half. The upper half, losing energy, fell towards the sky"
And Orsted must be capable of this because:
"I will bestow upon my son all my techniques, and to him the ability to remain hidden until he can defeat Hitogami..."
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i completely forgot about this part. i thought he was sent to the future, and then his time loop starts right after he spawns? if possible, can you clarify the timeline? thank you so much really
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that's right, he was sent to the future around K330 starting with an adult body and starting his loop, he just lied to Rudeus about being 2000 years old as well as the fact that he, like Hitogami, can see the fate of others
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Actually this wasn't a lie. Orsted reincarnated as a human's baby 2,000 years ago, but his time loop started 100 years before Rudeus's birth.
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オルステッドってリスタート開始時に転生赤ちゃんだと、呪いで生まれてすぐに親に殺されたり捨てられたりしないんですか? 一彼はちょっと特殊なので、赤ちゃんスタートで
はないようです
If Orsted is reincarnated as a baby at the start of the game, won't he be killed or abandoned by his parents immediately after birth due to a curse?
He's a bit special, so I don't think he starts out as a baby.
Besides, at first Orsted was an amateur and died a lot for various reasons, so if he was reborn as a child or even if he was an adult due to a curse, he would have died in any case 1900 years before the beginning of story
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what do you guys think of this feat: https://www.reddit.com/r/sixfacedworld/s/d0J6cTcKFm
