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I think Perugius is weaker than Reida xdGod level. Maybe above Gal.
Perugius->God level. At least above the baseline. For me it should be above Gal and below Urupen.
My range for Perugius is to be at minimum equal to Atofe and maximum weaker than Reida. About Kalman...we don´t have by volume 19 much about how scale themPerugius is God-class in Summoning and Barrier Magic, and Saint-Class in all 4 schools of Offensive Magic. We at least see him blow away Atoferatofe, although that's after she is drained of Battle Aura. We also know Kalman I was weaker than Kalman II or III.
Im not sure... is a hax ability. This sword can damage more if the durability is higher. Even i remember damaging Orsted in the fight. I will not give it a specify tierAlso I think you could add Paul with his sword at Imperial level.
There is the HAX which is qualifyable. You can see some profiles where they are 10-B physically, 4-B with the HAX.Im not sure... is a hax ability. This sword can damage more if the durability is higher. Even i remember damaging Orsted in the fight. I will not give it a specify tier
The thing here is that his sword boosts his AP. If we don't mention that it will just consider Saint-tier while it can affect the Imperial-tier. And for those who use SoL, they will receive the mention higher with SoL.Im not sure... is a hax ability. This sword can damage more if the durability is higher. Even i remember damaging Orsted in the fight. I will not give it a specify tier
If we take that route I would give him at least Orsted's level since he is the one who has the toughest defense and therefore, the sword would affect him the most.The thing here is that his sword boosts his AP. If we don't mention that it will just consider Saint-tier while it can affect the Imperial-tier. And for those who use SoL, they will receive the mention higher with SoL.
Yeah it's just the AP and the sword can affect Orsted.If we take that route I would give him at least Orsted's level since he is the one who has the toughest defense and therefore, the sword would affect him the most.
Please review the rest of the scale carefully and tell me what things need to be corrected for this point. So that I don't have to modify everything at the end if there is a problem.Yeah it's just the AP and the sword can affect Orsted.
All is correct. You just have to add Paul with his sword below Rudeus.Please review the rest of the scale carefully and tell me what things need to be corrected for this point. So that I don't have to modify everything at the end if there is a problem.
I will put: Rudeus/Paul Magic Sword > OrstedAll is correct. You just have to add Paul with his sword below Rudeus.
Not really. Despite the sword he did not inflict much damage on Orsted at the end of the fight. So Orsted>Rudeus/Paul Magic Sword.I will put: Rudeus/Paul Magic Sword > Orsted
I remember that the word make damage to orsted similar to the stonne cannon make. Anyway, how the weapon works makes as strong as the higher durabilityNot really. Despite the sword he did not inflict much damage on Orsted at the end of the fight. So Orsted>Rudeus/Paul Magic Sword.
Yes. So likely higher.I remember that the word make damage to orsted similar to the stonne cannon make. Anyway, how the weapon works makes as strong as the higher durability
Varies (The steel-cutter skill causes the sword to become incredibly dull against objects which are easy to cut, and to become incredibly sharp against objects which are harder to cut); from 10-C (Can't even cut dried meat) to High 6-A (Wounded Orsted's arm)
Up for the idea. So the sword will have its own profile?The Steel-Cutter Sword would get a Varies rating.
I agreeThe Steel-Cutter Sword would get a Varies rating.
Maybe Mind Reading.Is Orsted immune to mind manipulation?
I will collect them all and then you will see.Can someone provide evidence (like scans that support this) and explanations for low 2-C/2-C scaling for MT verse? To be honestly honest, I'm still not entirely convinced by the scaling because some of it might seem like hyperbole
TysmI will collect them all and then you will see.
Not really said.How strong and fast were the assassins Sylphy fought? Did the book mentioned their rank?
Yes.Did she also mastered the disturb magic?
I'm back from my vacation and I've seen that no one has commented on the feats I posted.
Gino is pretty overrated. I don't see him superior to Kalman III even without FGA. With MK1 it's also more a question of speed I think.Well, I'm updating the tier now and with this I think I'll finish my contributions for now.
Well people, I proceed to update the scale with the data from volume 23, 24, 25 and 26:
TIER LIST
Orsted FP = Universal/Planet
Max of Paul´s Short Sword
Orsted = Dragon God
Kalman III Fighting Armor
Fighting God = Dragon God Laplace (Demon God x2)
Rudeus Magic Armor MK0
Mirai Old Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5)
Young Man Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5)
Mirai Old Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3)
Young Man Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3)
Laplace = Demon God = Technique God
Gino = Sword God
Kalman III = North God
Rudeus Magic Armor MKI
Gal Farion = Sword God
Kalman II = North God
Mirai Old Rudeus Magic
Young Man Rudeus Magic
Reida = Water God
Should be good enough.God Level = Ogre God = Randolph = Death God
Youth Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5) > 2,3 TER TNT
Imperial Level = Youth Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3) = Dogha = Ruijerd = Auber = Eris LN15 = Nina LN 15 = Isolte = Mirai Old Rudeus With Armor > 1,38 TER TNT
Youth Rudeus Aqua Hartia Fire (x2) > 920 GIG TNT
Hydra
Roxy Staff Water King (x2) > 460 GIG TNT
Zanoba = Atofe = Peridot >= King Level = Youth Rudeus Magic = Badigadi = Almanfi = Ghislaine = Wii Taa = Calina
Roxy King > 230 GIG TNT
Roxy Staff Fire King (x0,5) > 115 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Aqua Hartia Water (x5) > 115 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Aqua Hartia Earth & Wind (x3) > 69 GIG TNT
Fitts Magic (>1/7 Youth Rudeus Magic) > 65 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Aqua Hartia Fire (x2) > 46 GIG TNT
Juvenile Rudeus Magic
Jinas Halfas Magic = Nina
Paul LN12 >= Saint Level = Rudeus Magic Armor MKII = Gino = Funeral Procession = Roxy Staff Water (x2) = Gallus Cleaner = Benebene = Klein Dinoltas = Nuckle = Gard = 23 GIG TNT
The calc for the 23 GIG TNT: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Mushoku_Tensei:_Rudeus_makes_a_storm
Eris LN6 = ~20 GIG TNT -> Close to Saint
Roxy Magic = 11,5 GIG TNT
Roxy Staff Fire (x0,5) = 5,75 GIG TNT
Class A Monster
Cliff Magic
Paul
7º Year Student Magic
Gyes >= Advanced Level = Eris = Soldat = New Guardian Knight = Conrad Magic = Silphiette Magic = Strong Bandit = Linia Magic = Pursena Magic = Leno Magic = 5º Year Student Magic
Class B Monster = Elinalise
Class C Monster
Class D Monster
Young Man Rudeus
Mirai Old Rudeus
Youth Rudeus
Luke = Linia = Pursena
3º Year Student Magic
Pope´s Assassin
Intermediate Level = Adult Norn = Adult Pax Magic = Pax Magic = Timothy Magic = Roxy Child Magic = Ginger = Therese = Juvenile Rudeus = Regular Swordsman
Infancy Rudeus -> Close to Intermediate
Eris Magic
Beginner Level = Lucie Magic = Elinalise Magic = Ghislaine Magic = Patrice Magic = Aisha Magic
Nokopara
Adult Pax
Geese = Mimir = Timothy
Zenith = Lilia = Jinas Halfas
Pax > Fitts = Nanahoshi
Roxy
Class E Monster
Cliff
Kishirika
Ashia = Norn
Silphiette
Lucie
Roxy Child
Min Paul´s Short Sword
No Level
Gino is completely "featless" except for having beaten Gal.The changes:
.- Incorpore Gino Sword God as above Gal Farion Sword God
.- Change Technique God to put him at the level of Demon God Laplace
.- Incorpore Dogha as north emperor
.- Incorpore Ogre God as basic God Level
.- Incorpore Kalman III as stronger than Kalman II and Gal Farion (Have better feats) but weaker than Gino
Good on this side but not sure that Gino can compete in terms of power..- Change Rudeus Magic Armor MKI to put him weaker than Kalman III
Good enough..- Specify that Fighting God and Dragon God Laplace to be x2 Demon God Laplace
.- Incorpore Rudeus Magic Armor MK0 as stronger than Rudeus Magic Armor MKI but weaker than Fighting God
Maybe good ?.- Incorpore Kalman III with the armor of The Fighting God as the strongest character but weaker than Orsted
Eris, yes. Atofe and Zanoba possibly. But Nina I don't know.Doubts:
.- I am not sure but i believe we need to improve the levels of Eris, Isolte, Nina, Atofe and Zanoba... To put them basic God Level
We'll see how to do.Previous Doubts:
.- I don't know where the following characters will be: Bloody Kant, Blaze, Dale, Leno, Gadalf Rangid, Talhand, Shierria, Vierra, Class S- Monster, Sara, Suzanne, Patrice, Ogre God, Elmore, Kleene, Nights Eyes Crow, Goliade, Conrad, Sylvarill, Perugius, Moore, Dragon God Urupen, Necross Lacross, Hero Ars, Argantos and Argantos Summons.
OK..- I will waiting the aproach we finaly take to add the advanced tier calc
The idea is good. I agree..- Before the volumen 233 i have this doubt:
At this point I think we should distinguish two levels within the king range that we currently have:
I will show you how it is now and I will indicate how I would leave it pending approval and your opinions:
Old:
Zanoba = Atofe = Peridot >= King Level = Youth Rudeus Magic = Badigadi = Almanfi = Ghislaine = Wii Taa = Calina
My Opinion:
Zanoba = Atofe
Badigadi = Almanfi = Ghislaine
Peridot
King Level = Youth Rudeus Magic = Wii Taa = Calina > 460 GIG TNT
Basically it would be moving
Badigadi = Almanfi = Ghislaine
A few steps above the average King. Everything basically scales from Ghislaine, Almanfi and Badigadi scale from her. Ghislaine has better feats, comparisons and statements than most of the kings that appear (interestingly these kings are of the northern style, like Wi Taa or Carlina).
The only thing that shocks me about this is that these three up until now, and especially at the beginning of the series, were what had been presented to us as the standard of king level.
So with this new scale whoever is king level could not automatically be given the level of these, but rather something like: "He has king level, he should be comparable to Wi Taa, who was able to give Ghislaine some fight."
Yeah.It is currently outdated as I consider Atofe and Zanoba should be God Level or a least emperor.
Gino beats Kalman III into the dirt according to the original timeline. This crushing defeat leads Kalman to taking on a student and learning the flaws he still has as a North God, allowing him to become the strongest North God in history and a great force during the Laplace War. This info can be found in Redundancy Chapter 13.Gino is pretty overrated. I don't see him superior to Kalman III even without FGA. With MK1 it's also more a question of speed I think.
Yeah that's for the original timeline.Gino beats Kalman III into the dirt according to the original timeline. This crushing defeat leads Kalman to taking on a student and learning the flaws he still has as a North God, allowing him to become the strongest North God in history and a great force during the Laplace War. This info can be found in Redundancy Chapter 13.
Kalman III (Volume 25) and orginal timeline Kalmen III are identical, he still hasn't received a pupil (who would be Sieg in the new timeline).Yeah that's for the original timeline.
Hmm. OK.Kalman III (Volume 25) and orginal timeline Kalmen III are identical, he still hasn't received a pupil (who would be Sieg in the new timeline).
Also, Chapter 21 of Redundancy:
The first one to move was Alek.
I saw it this time. A no-motion thrust from the center. However, Gino swung his sword in a speed that exceeded that thrust. He unsheathed his sword as if he was matching the timing of the thrusted sword’s tip and deflected it a little… That’s all I was able to see.
The next moment, Gino’s sword vanished.
The next thing that was reflected in my eyes was the moment when Alek’s left hand broke. At the same time, Alek took a step back and there was a black line on the dojo floor. He probably did the same move he used on Eris but this time attacking the wrist first and then the leg. Alek grabs the wooden sword with his broken hand.
However, the hand that seemed to be broken repaired itself right away. It’s probably due to his Immortal Demon Blood. Furthermore, his eyes burned with fighting spirit as if it was trying to say that the true North God Style starts now. However, Gino stepped to the front despite the situation. A terrifyingly fierce attack had begun.
Each time Gino swung his sword, Alek broke his arm and leg. The broken bones immediately healed and didn’t put Alek out of the fight. However, that’s all that happened. Gino didn’t allow Alek to go on the offensive. Alek probably tried many different things. However, it was clear to anyone that his attacks didn’t reach.
Alek: [… I give up.]
Before long, Alek dropped his sword. There was no injury, however his clothes were tattered and the tip of his wooden sword was split. On the other side, Gino was uninjured as well. Though he was drenched in sweat, he was overwhelming.
I didn’t think there would be this much of a gap. To beat Alek who was so strong to that extent… Wouldn’t Gino right now be on par with the Great Powers? No, I mean he already is one of the Great Powers.
Alek: [Man, you are strong. It made me realize that there are always people stronger than yourself.]
Gino: [You only have one hand. If this was a real battle, there’s no telling who would have won.]
Alek: [If we fought with real swords, I would be in pieces by now.]
Alek easily admitted his defeat.
Gino used his sword drawing stance with a wooden sword that had no scabbard. If it was a real sword drawing stance, it would have been even faster. Therefore, there is the possibility that the gap would have been even wider if they used real swords.
Very sad
I also think that there are some missing feats, but due to statements and the fight with Kalman III I have to put it above.Gino is pretty overrated. I don't see him superior to Kalman III even without FGA. With MK1 it's also more a question of speed I think.
Now I will update it with a small change regarding Atof, Eris, etc.Should be good enough.
What was previously commentedGino is completely "featless" except for having beaten Gal.
Ok.Good enough.
By now is the strongest, forced Orsted 50%Maybe good ?
I think it's best to leave Eris, Nina, Isolte, etc. at Emperor level and only raise Atofe to base God level and understand that there is very little difference from Emperor level to base God level.Eris, yes. Atofe and Zanoba possibly. But Nina I don't know.
Update the scale in the next postWe'll see how to do.
OK.
The idea is good. I agree.
Yeah.
Is it said at any point that Kalman II when he had the sword was superior to Kalman III when he had the sword?Gino beats Kalman III into the dirt according to the original timeline. This crushing defeat leads Kalman to taking on a student and learning the flaws he still has as a North God, allowing him to become the strongest North God in history and a great force during the Laplace War. This info can be found in Redundancy Chapter 13.
Where does it come from that Perugius is a saint level offensive magic? And we don't have anything to scale him physically beyond being a rival for Atofe or at first stronger than his spirits?Perugius is God-class in Summoning and Barrier Magic, and Saint-Class in all 4 schools of Offensive Magic. We at least see him blow away Atoferatofe, although that's after she is drained of Battle Aura. We also know Kalman I was weaker than Kalman II or III.