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Mushoku Tensei Discussion Thread

AlanGoji said:
Where was it stated that Hitogami does not know about dragon race's magic. And how much of "almost" is nigh-omniscient
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I don't remember if it was in the LN, WN or ODT. For nigh-omniscience you literally need the statement where it says that the character knows almost everything. To further solidify that Hitogami doesn't have it he has practically no knowledge of what happens in the other worlds existing in the Multiverse. He just knows that other worlds exist, that's all.
 
AlanGoji said:
Hitogami has a kind of cosmic awareness based on all of his interactions with Rudeus, especially in volume 3 where he suddenly notice Rudeus's significance/threat after the mana catastrophe, and some of his other actions. Why wouldn't he be considered nigh-omniscient, given the definition is:
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In the end of the story, it was explained that Hitogami was the Creator God that creates the entirety of Mushoku Tensei themselves. And all things related to Hitogami isn't related to Creator God themselves, thus back when Hitogami betrayed Orsted's father. That's literally since the beginning of time if I could recall, that's why Hitogami knows everything. That doesn't make him nigh-omniscient throughout the story, there are those that knows more than him. Also this doesn't help much, due to him having Precognition (if you get what I mean).

It's just cosmic awareness
 
Voidnether said:
In the end of the story, it was explained that Hitogami was the Creator God that creates the entirety of Mushoku Tensei themselves.
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Nope nope. Hitogami is a weak imposter who poses as the Human God.
Voidnether said:
And all things related to Hitogami isn't related to Creator God themselves, thus back when Hitogami betrayed Orsted's father. That's literally since the beginning of time if I could recall, that's why Hitogami knows everything. That doesn't make him nigh-omniscient throughout the story, there are those that knows more than him.
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Currently no, he is the being with the most knowledge in verse. He even surpasses Orsted.
Voidnether said:
Also this doesn't help much, due to him having Precognition (if you get what I mean).

It's just cosmic awareness
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Yeah that's just it.
 
Digital_Franz said:
Nope nope. Hitogami is a weak imposter who poses as the Human God.
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Yeah, that's what I meant. It was explained the Creator God died and then Hitogami was a human that was somehow in the Void Realm and then, well he just took the Creator God's corpse and then became one <- I didn't elaborate on this part much though.
Currently no, he is the being with the most knowledge in verse. He even surpasses Orsted.
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The "knowledge" I meant here are those who are outside Hitogami's reach, there are people who cannot be seen by Hitogami if I recall.. But yeah, true.
 
I watched Orsted's fight against Rudeus in Season 1 again and I noticed one interesting detail in addition to what I said earlier about Hitogami being able to snatch soul-related divine jewels. When Rudeus gets to Hitogami, he says that it looks like the soul is being transferred

"However, I'm standing at the center of it. How does that happen? Considering the changes in my appearance... could it be a type of summoning that only affects the mind or the soul?".

And we can further confirm this by the fact that Hitogami can see people's souls

"- Yes. After all, my eyes only see the soul. Of course, I knew that your body and soul are different, but this is the first time I've seen what you really look like."

When Rudeus got to the Hollow World, he saw his old body without any changes (even though he was missing an arm). at the same time after Orsted pierced Rudeus' chest he saw a hole in his chest

"However, this time it was different. The usual feeling of self-loathing did not rise. Instead, I felt a sense of loss, as if there was a gaping hole in my chest. I looked down and found that there really was a large hole. Ah, I knew it. I really died..." .

We also additionally know that Orsted's curse works on the principle of releasing a special mana that should affect specifically the souls of people (Rudeus' body is from this world, but his soul is from ours, which is why the curse does not work). considering this can we say that Orsted and most likely Hitogami (Hitogami's power works on a similar principle) should have passive soul manipulation + when Orsted healed Rudeus he saw the hole in his chest disappear

"Before I realized what was happening, the hole in my chest disappeared."

accordingly this would also mean that Orsted has healing magic that can restore souls. if this is enough for soul manipulation, then this would also mean that soul damage cannot kill Orsted since we know that he already lost to Hitogami once
 
Betatester0 said:
I watched Orsted's fight against Rudeus in Season 1 again and I noticed one interesting detail in addition to what I said earlier about Hitogami being able to snatch soul-related divine jewels. When Rudeus gets to Hitogami, he says that it looks like the soul is being transferred

"However, I'm standing at the center of it. How does that happen? Considering the changes in my appearance... could it be a type of summoning that only affects the mind or the soul?".

And we can further confirm this by the fact that Hitogami can see people's souls

"- Yes. After all, my eyes only see the soul. Of course, I knew that your body and soul are different, but this is the first time I've seen what you really look like."

When Rudeus got to the Hollow World, he saw his old body without any changes (even though he was missing an arm). at the same time after Orsted pierced Rudeus' chest he saw a hole in his chest

"However, this time it was different. The usual feeling of self-loathing did not rise. Instead, I felt a sense of loss, as if there was a gaping hole in my chest. I looked down and found that there really was a large hole. Ah, I knew it. I really died..." .

We also additionally know that Orsted's curse works on the principle of releasing a special mana that should affect specifically the souls of people (Rudeus' body is from this world, but his soul is from ours, which is why the curse does not work). considering this can we say that Orsted and most likely Hitogami (Hitogami's power works on a similar principle) should have passive soul manipulation + when Orsted healed Rudeus he saw the hole in his chest disappear

"Before I realized what was happening, the hole in my chest disappeared."

accordingly this would also mean that Orsted has healing magic that can restore souls. if this is enough for soul manipulation, then this would also mean that soul damage cannot kill Orsted since we know that he already lost to Hitogami once
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Will look at this later. The Soul Stuff and MT...
 
Voidnether said:
Because the anime ends on volume 12, after volume 12 until volume 15.. I can't even explain it.

Try to give it a read though.
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I’m pretty sure it just ends at vol 12 as of right now since the story is picking up a couple months after lucie was born(also side note, slyphy best girl. Rudy is lucky to have her as his wife considering what happened with Roxy)
 
I've been hearing this mentioned several times now, but can the dragongodsword actually cut through space? I don't really recall any instances of it doing so, but I think the closest example would be this feat:

Anyways, by the time the fortress made contact with Dragon God-sama, the spirits lost their power and disappeared, one after another.

The distortion field disappeared as well, leaving the fortress exposed.
Even though it was vulnerable, it was still covered in hard dragon scales.

Slowly, Dragon God-sama pulled a sword from his waist.

A sword forged by the Five Dragon General, Mad Dragon King Chaos.

A genuine God's Sword that could withstood the power of Dragon God-sama.

Dragon God-sama stood posed with the sword.

A cut.

I had witnessed the power of gods many times.

But it was always against other gods.

Other gods were always capable of withstanding those strikes.

But this slash from Dragon God-sama seemed to distort the world. Everything felt out of place.

In fact, everything was carved in halves.

The sky, the cloud, the dragons flying off in the distance, the ever approaching fortress.

All sliced in two.

What are dragon scales against a god?

What's the point of defenses on a wooden stump?

The huge fortress was split in half. The upper half, losing power, fell toward the sky.

The Dragon Generals landed on the falling masses.

Its lower half remained floating. Its core probably survived the attack. odt chapter 21
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Wdy guys think
 
Hey, I wanna know if these scans are accurate. I basically copy-pasted most of your text from your first post, and I think I understand a little bit of the scaling. I still think the Dragon Generals with godspears and anti-god buffs would scale to the god tiers as well since they can harm the first Dragon God. Tho he was weakened, the same weakened Dragon God was still able to exchange blows for 7 days straight against FP Hitogami who has the power of an original God
 
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AlanGoji said:
Hey, I wanna know if these scans are accurate. I basically copy-pasted most of your text from your first post, and I think I understand a little bit of the scaling.
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They are, Yeah.
AlanGoji said:
I still think the Dragon Generals with godspears and anti-god buffs would scale to the god tiers as well since they can harm the first Dragon God. Tho he was weakened, the same weakened Dragon God was defeated by Hitogami who should also scale to the first gods too
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Possibly.
 
AlanGoji said:
Hey, I wanna know if these scans are accurate. I basically copy-pasted most of your text from your first post, and I think I understand a little bit of the scaling. I still think the Dragon Generals with godspears and anti-god buffs would scale to the god tiers as well since they can harm the first Dragon God. Tho he was weakened, the same weakened Dragon God was defeated by Hitogami who should also scale to the first gods too
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yeah this is accurate, not sure if it would be 2C or 2B but its definetely not 2A since thats an infinite number of universes afaik
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
yeah this is accurate, not sure if it would be 2C or 2B but its definetely not 2A since thats an infinite number of universes afaik
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It's at least 2-C. There's a statement by Rudeus where he talked about an infinite number of worlds. It could be accepted as Possibly or Not.
 
Digital_Franz said:
It's at least 2-C. There's a statement by Rudeus where he talked about an infinite number of worlds. It could be accepted as Possibly or Not.
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it is likely speculation, by that logic we can have any verse where a character talks about infinite number of universe being a possibility (like our own) to be possibly 2A
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
it is likely speculation, by that logic we can have any verse where a character talks about infinite number of universe being a possibility (like our own) to be possibly 2A
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I agree. I just wanted to let you know that Rudeus' "infinite" can align with the "many" in ODT. It's just a possibility. I'll check the ODT raws.
 
guys, what is the accurate chain scaling for tier 6 mt characters again? please also include characters with different keys that get them tier 6 thank you 🙏
 
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