Mushoku Tensei Discussion Thread

[Digital_Franz]

There's no Soul Manip happening either, Rudeus looked like his old self because that's still how he saw himself.

I can't quite formulate what I mean. Coming to the last volume I could well formulate it.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Rather than Acausality hax, it'd probably just be limited Fate Manip for individuals with strong fate. Orsted is the only one with Acausality Type 4 after all.

Orsted's Acausality would provide an unconventional resistance to: Fate Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Cosmic Awareness, and Divination.

Hitogami would also have fate manipulation via being able to change destiny when "Roxy's fate was weakened due to her pregnancy" (weird condition but alright)
It also appears that there are levels and strengths to certain people's fates i.e. strong fated people can change the destiny of lesser fated people

 

[Digital_Franz]

Hitogami would also have fate manipulation via being able to change destiny when "Roxy's fate was weakened due to her pregnancy" (weird condition but alright)
It also appears that there are levels and strengths to certain people's fates i.e. strong fated people can change the destiny of lesser fated people

And I was just saying that they can also have Limited Acausality since the cause and effect system protects them from certain things.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Actually i was rethinking this and I think they shouldnt have fate manipulation because what Hitogami does is use his precognition to know about the cause and effects of his actions which is what he uses to meddle with the world
If it was smth like fate manipulation then he wouldnt need to directly involve himself by physically manipulating people

He should get precognition and a section in his intelligence page about how good of a manipulator he is

 

[Digital_Franz]

If it was smth like fate manipulation then he wouldnt need to directly involve himself by physically manipulating people

It's quite logical. The only problem is that it's not specified how Hitogami changes fate. Nothing says that he acts physically to modify destiny. The only actions he does physically are to get rid of Rudeus whose destiny he cannot manipulate otherwise he does nothing physical. And the part with Orsted and Rudeus makes one doubt a little about the interpretation.

He should get precognition and a section in his intelligence page about how good of a manipulator he is

He already has precognition since he has all the demonic eyes and has repeatedly been said to be able to perceive the future (up to 100 years). For his intelligence he should be Extraordinary Genius because he is the only character in the series with more knowledge than Orsted and capable of outsmarting Orsted in his loops.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

It's quite logical. The only problem is that it's not specified how Hitogami changes fate. Nothing says that he acts physically to modify destiny. The only actions he does physically are to get rid of Rudeus whose destiny he cannot manipulate otherwise he does nothing physical. And the part with Orsted and Rudeus makes one doubt a little about the interpretation.

manipulating people by coming in their dreams is absolutely an action he has to take, if he could just will people to turn over and die then he would have done so
but he cannot do that unless they are in a sensitive state such as pregnancy and even then it wouldnt be enough

 

[Zabazab]

People like say, Orsted, have such ridiculously strong destinies that they can alter the majority of people's fates at will, but there are still limits even for him. The Republic of Shirone can only be born if Pax lives, for example.

 

[Digital_Franz]

manipulating people by coming in their dreams is absolutely an action he has to take

It's when he wants these people to be his pawns not that he wants to manipulate their fate.

if he could just will people to turn over and die then he would have done so
but he cannot do that unless they are in a sensitive state such as pregnancy and even then it wouldnt be enough

Except that he generally only wants those with strong destiny to die, but he can't manipulate the latter.

 

[Digital_Franz]

People like say, Orsted, have such ridiculously strong destinies that they can alter the majority of people's fates at will, but there are still limits even for him. The Republic of Shirone can only be born if Pax lives, for example.

Yes it's quite limited.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I get the concept but manipulating people with strong destinies doesnt mean he has fate manipulation

 

[Digital_Franz]

I get the concept but manipulating people with strong destinies doesnt mean he has fate manipulation

Yes. He cannot currently manipulate their destiny but sets traps for them to change their destiny.