Equal Stats
Standard Battle Assumptions
Standard Battle Assumptions
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To clarify, this is while he is possessing themOh, and Mukuro can copy the abilities of those he has possessed also
no. Assume standard battle assumptions. But I personally do scale Mukuro higher than Itachi anywaysHmmm
Can I assume all stats but hax are equal ?
If so there's only a few methods of Mukuro winning. Starting off he has at least a 8 layered illusion hax (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), that's more layers than Tsukuyomi.
There's the fact Mukuro's illusions can kill of the opponent thinks they are real(this without mist flames)
With mist flames he can create real illusions that is to say, illusions of other people stop being just illusions and have flesh and blood.
He can also posses people through his six-paths hax. Though he has to touch them with his trident or shoot himself with his forbidden bullet(from what I remember).
...Itachi can destroy minds, not just control it
He can't just use resistance to illusions to resist getting his mind erased...
Seeing as Mukuro both resists that and out-layers his illusions, I don't see how that is a problem.
Edit: for Itachi's illusion to destroy the mind he has to torture them, and since Mukuro out-layers Itachi's illusions he can just torture Itachi by taking over his(Itachi's) illusion world.
Well seeing as his(Itachi) mind erasure works through illusions... Yes, he can.He can't just use resistance to illusions to resist getting his mind erased
He can use illusions to do that, but how it works is he implants a mental world into one's mind and shatters it along with their mind. Resisting illusions won't mean you resist your mind being shatteredWell seeing as his(Itachi) mind erasure works through illusions... Yes, he can.
He can use illusions to do that, but how it works is he implants a mental world into one's mind and shatters it along with their mind. Resisting illusions won't mean you resist your mind being shattered
Its not that looking at the illusion is what shatters the mind, so even if he can resist the illusion or see through it, the mental world is still there, and his mind is shattered. Itachi has the ability to shatter one's mind without torturing them with the illusion, as he did it to izumi. The only illusions she saw weren't the cause of her mind being destroyed, since its not tortureFurthermore to support what I said, your scan states this:
"common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster’s hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches…!! Even a body made of iron or the speed of light are powerless before this jutsu, which is the reason why it is feared as the most powerful."
Which translates to:
"The Tsukuyomi implants an illusionary world inside the person's minds and tortures them until their mind breaks"
This means it's a mental attack through illusion, which not only does Mukuro have a resistance of, but he can counterattack with.
Edit: "Since attacks in the spiritual realm have no power to physically wound or kill, it bestows an unfathomable amount of mental damage."
This is a resistance Mukuro has.
Its not that looking at the illusion is what shatters the mind, so even if he can resist the illusion or see through it, the mental world is still there, and his mind is shattered. Itachi has the ability to shatter one's mind without torturing them with the illusion, as he did it to izumi. The only illusions she saw weren't the cause of her mind being destroyed, since its not torture
Can you show me how Mukuro resists mental damage
This is still mental damage.Its not that looking at the illusion is what shatters the mind, so even if he can resist the illusion or see through it, the mental world is still there, and his mind is shattered. Itachi has the ability to shatter one's mind without torturing them with the illusion, as he did it to izumi. The only illusions she saw weren't the cause of her mind being destroyed, since its not torture
Can you show me how Mukuro resists mental damage
I will need some time.Someone needs to provided the layers with actual scans.
That's fine, that all the tike you need.I will need some time.
I have most of the scans needed, I just need to put them in order kek, and find the missing ones
This worksMukuro(Rainbow Curse arc) > Daemon > Viper > Mukuro (Inheritance Ceremony) > Future Mukuro > Fran(Tricks the Vindice) > Two Illusionists from Future Arc > Chrome (Beginning of Future Arc) > Mukuro Varia Arc > Viper(Varia Arc) > Chrome (Varia Arc) > Tsuna with Vongola Intuition (Kokuyo land) > Mukuro (Kokuyo Land) > Fodder Illusionists.
Explenations
Mukuro Kokuyo's illusions land loses to Tsuna's Hyper intuition. He should be above Fodder Illusionists(which are capable of affecting a whole city with their illusions).
This is not a layer featViper loses to Mukuro -- however, he was capable of tricking Tsuna's passive HI and also tricked his fellow Arcobaleno.
Nothing here is a layer featFran has a hell sign ring, he is also being tutored by Mukuro and should scale above Fran, not to mention he possesses one of the biggest Illusion feats in the KHR universe which is tricking the Vindice
Stronger illusion doesn't make more layered illusionFuture Mukuro should be stronger than the two illusionists from Future Arc, especially with Devil Lens.
This isn't a layer featMukuro(Inheritance Ceremony) should scale above that due to his Vongola Gear.
No layer in thisDaemon scales above of him in terms of illusion as he managed to overtake Mukuro's illusionary world.
Stronger illusion doesn't make more layered illusionMukuro (Rainbow Curse arc) should scale even above Daemon as he not only gains a power boost.
Based on nothing
You need more than none with layersI'll add the other ones later : p
I don't too well, but I shared this in a questions and several people stated that some of the scans I showed there indicate at least 9 layers and maybe 11 of themI dont think you understand how layers work. I don't think most of these actually count towards layers.
So... All scans provided work?For layers you'll need a character to mind hax someone who resist it which would count as one layer.
This works
This is not a layer feat
Vindice have so strong illusion and mental resistances that only 3 illusionists in the world can trick them, Fran manages to and that's not a layering feat? I'm confused by the contradiction ...Nothing here is a layer feat
Stronger illusion doesn't make more layered illusion
This isn't a layer feat
No layer in this
Stronger illusion doesn't make more layered illusion
Vipers power is increased in curse arc because it's stated without the arcobaleno curse his power is increased, including illusions(and all characters he instantly affected have high resistances, Xanxus has extremely strong intuition and so does Fong)Based on nothing
Also, I'm gonna need some layering evidence for Itachi as well.For layers you'll need a character to mind hax someone who resist it which would count as one layer.
In khr verse it doesStronger illusion doesn't make more layered illusion