KHR Overall layering Questions

[Tired_Author_21]

Overall Question on Daemon's and Mukuro's Illusion hax layers.

I don't know how to scale these. If you guys have any ideas it would be good to know for future KHR debates.

Mukuro uses illusions while being trapped in one, this is also an interesting feat because he out illusions Viper

Mukuro overtakes Viper in his Illusion world

Mukuro affects Viper's illusion

Mukuro Possesses Chrome, getting out of Viper's detection, being only detected by Tsuna's HI

Daemon Distorts Mukruo's Illusion world to something he wants when Mukuro has his Vongola Gear active

Daemon Copies Vongola Gear and also Perfectly Replicates their effects

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

The first one is just Illusion Creation, the second and third one is the ability to control other people's illusions, and the fourth one would be a layer of detection for Tsuna I guess.

As for the last two, Illusion Control and Power Mimicry. I don't know anything about verse some I'm just judging off what I see.

 

[Tired_Author_21]

The first one is just Illusion Creation, the second and third one is the ability to control other people's illusions, and the fourth one would be a layer of detection for Tsuna I guess.

As for the last two, Illusion Control and Power Mimicry. I don't know anything about verse some I'm just judging off what I see.

Thanks for the input

 

[XDragnoir]

Hmm, iirc the amount of layers is around 9 for the strongest illusionists (Kawahira, Daemon, Mukuro, Fran and Chrome).

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Hmm, iirc the amount of layers is around 9 for the strongest illusionists (Kawahira, Daemon, Mukuro, Fran and Chrome).

Thanks

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Alright, changed the question to overall layering because I am confused.

So illusions are roughly 9 layered.

I've heard Tsuna's petrification is 7 layered.

So what about Tsuna's ZPB first Edition

ZPB revised

Yamamotto's Rain Flames

Byakuran's Power Nullification (White Applause)

Tsuna's Hyper Intuition

Tsuna's Ultimate Intuition

Finally Reborn's Chaos Shot: "Through Leon, he fires a set of Sun Flames that numbs all the body's organs and nearly shuts them down making the body act as if it were dead. It acts as a homing missile and can even split into two or more projectiles at will."

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Zero Point Breakthrough freezing 16,738 layers of Mosca's Armour, not to mention Vongola 9th's version froze Xanxus for like 8 years.

Tsuna absorbs Ghost and out-absorbs him(Ghost was trying to absorb Tsuna's flames)

Current Yamamotto's flames should scale above Bluebell's and Bluebell was capable of freezing molecules with her flames.

Byakuran beat the Big Bang Axle with his nullification(though he gets destroyed by Tsuna afterwards), he has gotten stronger after this arc(Capable of keeping up with Vindice)

Tsuna senses Mukuro coming even though he passes through Viper's Radar(A Psychic and powerful Arcobaleno)

Tsuna learns to attack the nerves intuitively and without being taught

Tsuna sees through Mukuro's Illusion

Tsuna predicts someone attacking from behind him

Tsuna(With Ultimate Intuition) Reacts to Instant Movement(Short Warp)

Same as above, but in rapid succession

I cannot find anything for Reborn's Chaos shot, if anyone wants to find it for me that'd be much appreciated

 

[XDragnoir]

Iirc, the layers for the illusions are:

Normal humans < Fodder Illusionists < Sealed Mammon < Chrome < Chrome with Mist Flames < Genkishi < Hyper Intuition (tho i don't remember how much HI helped Tsuna during his fight with Genkishi) < Torikabuto < Vindice < Daemon < Devil's Lens < Mist Vongola Gear

With this chain being both for potency and resistance.

Zero Point Breakthrough freezing 16,738 layers of Mosca's Armour, not to mention Vongola 9th's version froze Xanxus for like 8 years.

Tsuna absorbs Ghost and out-absorbs him(Ghost was trying to absorb Tsuna's flames)

Current Yamamotto's flames should scale above Bluebell's and Bluebell was capable of freezing molecules with her flames.

Byakuran beat the Big Bang Axle with his nullification(though he gets destroyed by Tsuna afterwards), he has gotten stronger after this arc(Capable of keeping up with Vindice)

Tsuna senses Mukuro coming even though he passes through Viper's Radar(A Psychic and powerful Arcobaleno)

Tsuna learns to attack the nerves intuitively and without being taught

Tsuna sees through Mukuro's Illusion

Tsuna predicts someone attacking from behind him

Tsuna(With Ultimate Intuition) Reacts to Instant Movement(Short Warp)

Same as above, but in rapid succession

Most of these have nothing to do with layers, sadly.

heard Tsuna's petrification is 7 layered

No idea why.

So what about Tsuna's ZPB first Edition

ZPB revised

Yamamotto's Rain Flames

Byakuran's Power Nullification (White Applause)

Tsuna's Hyper Intuition

Tsuna's Ultimate Intuition

Revised, Rain flames and power null may have layers (i think Yung said they had a long time ago), all the others have no layers afaik.

 

[Tired_Author_21]

Iirc, the layers for the illusions are:

Normal humans < Fodder Illusionists < Sealed Mammon < Chrome < Chrome with Mist Flames < Genkishi < Hyper Intuition (tho i don't remember how much HI helped Tsuna during his fight with Genkishi) < Torikabuto < Vindice < Daemon < Devil's Lens < Mist Vongola Gear

With this chain being both for potency and resistance.


Most of these have nothing to do with layers, sadly.


No idea why.


Revised, Rain flames and power null may have layers (i think Yung said they had a long time ago), all the others have no layers afaik.

Ok, ty

 

[YukaSama4]

How all these KHR threads suddenly came out lmao

 

[Tired_Author_21]

How all these KHR threads suddenly came out lmao

Ikr, so happy about that too, love KHR, glad it's getting some attention.

 

[Violatas]

Sorry for the bump, but what was the settled on number for how many layers Mukuro's illusions are?

I will also say that I feel there should prolly be a thread made addressing this so we can add a note to the illusionist's pages for how many layers they have. Ordinarily I wouldn't care as much, but since KHR's illusions are cracked as heck, I feel having a number to go from the get go would make determining fair MUs for the illusionists easy.

 

[XDragnoir]

Normal humans < Fodder Illusionists < Sealed Mammon < Chrome < Chrome with Mist Flames < Genkishi < Hyper Intuition (tho i don't remember how much HI helped Tsuna during his fight with Genkishi) < Torikabuto < Vindice < Daemon < Devil's Lens < Mist Vongola Gear

11 at the peak, Kawahira being pretty much a 12.

 

[Violatas]

11 at the peak, Kawahira being pretty much a 12.

Thanks!
And yeah uh that's a lot lol. Definitely think that should be added on his profile at some point

 

[XDragnoir]

Bruh, i am really not interested in getting all the scans to do a blog for it...

 

[Violatas]

Oh I don't think all that's needed. I think just making a thread and debating the layers with others knowledgeable on KHR would suffice. After that, just linking the thread into the edit summary box for anyone interested in seeing the reasoning for the layers.
Scans would obviously help but again, I don't think that's super necessary.
Really though this is moreso just food for thought and not something I think is like, completely necessary