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Moustache Man fights a Carrot

I think we can end the debate here

Based on all arguments, the way I see this going is...

Yhwach Almighty and Goku DD activates
Yhwach on Stamina 1 drops to floor unable to move but at the very same time sees the future and instantly adapts to DD nulling it's effect on him
Then it's pretty much a prolonged battle of Yhwach passively chipping away at goku soul's till it's crushed while using his Precog and Fate to keep goku at bay

End of Match
Winner Yhwach
 
Bernkastelll said:
The Almighty is always actived, he doesnt need to ''active'' it in this key, what happend in the base key was because it was restricted due his eyes being closed, but The Almighty is passive since the moment that it is actived, and this fight already is peak Yhwach, which has The Almighty actived
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I don't read Bleach but if that Passive then how Aizen was able to Perception Manip him before Yhwach was using Allmigthy?
 
TokiNoOuja said:
I don't read Bleach but if that Passive then how Aizen was able to Perception Manip him before Yhwach was using Allmigthy?
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Aizen put KS on Yhwach long before Yhwach activated The Almighty, he did it when Yhwach first visited him in Muken.

As it says on his profile;
and the Almighty cannot dispel illusions that were placed on him before he activated the Almighty
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Ss3micah said:
Yhwach would definitely have to struggle against DBH Characters who lack souls (as he cant hope to win through AP)

But for now against Xeno Goku, decisive victory (HAHAHA NO LOL STOMP)
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Wait, you said that Mechikabura has no Soul??

I'm sure he has
 
TokiNoOuja said:
I mean the scan and also did it happened on gameplay or in actual Lore?cuz if that part of Gameplay then it more to game mechanics rather than actual feats
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well i dont have the scan cuz arcade scans are impossible to find nowadays, also we already established that its not a game mechanic on multiple crts, if u have a problem with it make one ur self
 
Fight start

Yhwach reiatsu soul crush Goku and have his stamina reduce to 1 because DD ( pretty sure that Almighty could negg that as it could negg conceptual stuff)

Goku is dead as his soul is destroyed given his weak soul resistance.

Even if Goku killed Yhwach, it was proven that Yhwach's reiatsu is still active even when dead for as long as 10 years ( pretty sure that being dead is worse then being put at 1 stamina) so goku is ****** even if Yhwach can't neg DD and DD "have prio over other passives. Yhwach then ressurect himself via The Almighty future rewrite .

Goku can't do anything here .
 
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Naeblis495 said:
Fight start

Yhwach reiatsu soul crush Goku and have his stamina reduce to zero because DD ( pretty sure that Almighty could negg that as it could negg conceptual stuff)

Goku is dead as his soul is destroyed given his weak soul resistance.

Even if Goku killed Yhwach, it was proven that Yhwach's reiatsu is still active even when dead for as long as 10 years ( pretty that being dead is worse then being put at 1 stamina) so goku is ****** even if Yhwach can't neg DD and DD "have prio over other passives. Yhwach then ressurect himself via The Almighty future rewrite .

Goku can't do anything here .
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Didnt Yhwach can Ressurect himself if he die in the future or didnt he had the Miracle as a Regeneration ?
 
just to say how DD works:

DD resets stamina at the start of the battle to 1.

on the Stamina page for vsbw it says that:

Stamina is an attribute that allows a certain character to remain active, exert itself to prolonged periods of time, and recover from ordeals.
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and it also says that

Stamina, encompassing endurance and tolerance, is a factor that heavily depends on one's own body, the way it stores and burns energy and how it reacts to external stimuli, fatigue, stress and more. This usually is the product of a specific training, lifestyle and physiology, featuring differences even among the members of the same species, and thus it heavily depends on the comformation of a single individual. On top of that, it is often related to willpower and determination, making it even more unique. For this reason it is recommended to not scale stamina between characters that are comparable or superior to each other in terms of statistics such as Attack Potency, Durability etc. It should be allowed only when levels of stamina are explicitly defined as common and natural traits shared by members of the same species or group, or through direct statements and evidences of characters being comparable in such aspect.
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means that with low or no stamina they would not think and act right and possibly their willpower can be affected by low stamina too.

since DD (Dimensional Domain) instantly sets stamina to 1 we are talking about really really low levels of stamina here. meaning that the opponentwould not think right nor has the energy to move. (or it can possibly neg thinking) basically an instant incap.


ask me questions about this later rn ima go study.
 
not trying to say that goku should win this one. all i wanted to say is how DD works.
 
I can't believe were back here again but..
Guys, Yhwach might need to find a better win con since this happened

Mind/Soul Hax Giga Nerf

Based on this CTR which numerous VBW Members have already agreed with, the result of this Battle (And many of Battles) must be re-evaluated as evidently, Mind/Soul Hax Potency via Numbers is no longer valid and without a in verse exposition, Soul Crush has now basically become baseline which goku more than resists.
 
Also if Energy equalization (Ki = Reiatsu) is playing a part in this battle (which I think we should have asked OP in the first place) Goku completely negs Soul Crush because of how Soul Crush Works


Reiryoku is the amount of energy a being has stored within their body or soul, whereas Reiatsu is the pressure that a person's Reiryoku exerts. In other words, Reiryoku is potential while Reiatsu is energy in use and can be sensed by other spiritually aware beings.


When two spiritual beings collide, the side with weaker spiritual pressure will get hurt.
Shinigami battles are battles of Reiatsu; if one possess a greater level of Reiatsu, then the other can be overcome completely

Simply Put
If Energy Equalization is a factor here, Goku completely negates Soul Crush via possessing EXPONENTIALLY more energy and energy release than Yhwach and it also proves that resisting Soul Crush doesn't have to do much with Soul Resistance but rather by simply possessing an equivalent or greater amount of Reiatsu thus kinda solidifying the point of soul crush being baseline and other words ineffective
 
I'm not gonna be definitive about this though
If anyone thinks I'm wrong about something or that there are errors in my point then please feel to retort at your earliest convenience
 
Ss3micah said:
Also if Energy equalization (Ki = Reiatsu) is playing a part in this battle (which I think we should have asked OP in the first place) Goku completely negs Soul Crush because of how Soul Crush Works


Reiryoku is the amount of energy a being has stored within their body or soul, whereas Reiatsu is the pressure that a person's Reiryoku exerts. In other words, Reiryoku is potential while Reiatsu is energy in use and can be sensed by other spiritually aware beings.


When two spiritual beings collide, the side with weaker spiritual pressure will get hurt.
Shinigami battles are battles of Reiatsu; if one possess a greater level of Reiatsu, then the other can be overcome completely

Simply Put
If Energy Equalization is a factor here, Goku completely negates Soul Crush via possessing EXPONENTIALLY more energy and energy release than Yhwach and it also proves that resisting Soul Crush doesn't have to do much with Soul Resistance but rather by simply possessing an equivalent or greater amount of Reiatsu thus kinda solidifying the point of soul crush being baseline and other words ineffective
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I don't think this site treats RC like that
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
I don't think this site treats RC like that
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It doesn't.

Cause of the whole "Verse Equalization doesn't give you extra powers or resistances thing."... Which is... very literally not true
to give someone with powernull the ability to null powers outside of their verse is literally giving them a power they don't really have, but I digress.
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
I don't think this site treats RC like that
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YungManzi said:
It doesn't.

Cause of the whole "Verse Equalization doesn't give you extra powers or resistances thing."... Which is... very literally not true
to give someone with powernull the ability to null powers outside of their verse is literally giving them a power they don't really have, but I digress.
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Okay then you explain how RC works please
Because from what I've seen and what I got

RC works by one individual exerting their spiritual pressure and the other completely unable to meet/match the spiritual pressure release of the other, gets their soul crushed and disintegrated
 
RC crush your soul. If your soul is powerfull enough to resist it, you are fine.

You don't need reiatsu to resist RC . if that was the case , all quincy would be passivelly stomped by any shinigami/hollow , because quincy don't have reiatsu ( beside Yhwach and maybe Jugram.)

also Ss3micah , the crt wich you have linked wasn't accepted. It must be remade in a staff only thread,accepted by most staff and then applied. And if it was applied, then Bleach's soul crush would have gotten a huge buff from it considering the ammount of levels of resistance it can overcome.
 
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Ss3micah said:
I can't believe were back here again but..
Guys, Yhwach might need to find a better win con since this happened

Mind/Soul Hax Giga Nerf

Based on this CTR which numerous VBW Members have already agreed with, the result of this Battle (And many of Battles) must be re-evaluated as evidently, Mind/Soul Hax Potency via Numbers is no longer valid and without a in verse exposition, Soul Crush has now basically become baseline which goku more than resists.
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Sorry to ruin your parade, but that CRT actually greatly buffs Reiatsu Crush instead of nerfing it, assuming the CRT gets accepted, not a single person in either Dragon Ball canon or non canon is withstanding it.

Also, you're forgetting that Goku's resistance gets affected as well, it's literally baseline.
 
Purgy said:
Sorry to ruin your parade, but that CRT actually greatly buffs Reiatsu Crush instead of nerfing it, assuming the CRT gets accepted, not a single person in either Dragon Ball canon or non canon is withstanding it.

Also, you're forgetting that Goku's resistance gets affected as well, it's literally baseline.
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Why it will make Reatsu Crush became stronger?
 
TokiNoOuja said:
Why it will make Reatsu Crush became stronger?
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Because RC bypass A LOT of level of resistance. So if layers of resistances being bypassed become the new scaling method to judge mind/soul hax potency , reiatsu will become much stronger it currently is .
 
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