Minor FE CRT (Brave Weapons)

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Brave Weapons, in gameplay, allow the user to make a consecutive attack, effectively doubling their attack speed.

Simply put, I'd like to treat Brave Weapons (Brave Sword, Lance, Bow, Axe, Dire Thunder, etc.) as an increase strictly in Attack Speed (not movement, reactions, or anything else), outside of "game mechanics", the Brave Weapons have been considered special canonically in conversations with Ayra, Seliph, and most famously Finn.

It's debatable as to whether or not Gauntlets count, but that might just be having "two weapons" (fists)

 

[Antoniofer]

I quite not see how attacking twice means the speed doubled; perhaps few scans showing how does the game treat attacking more than once could help with our insight.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

In a single round of combat, without any outside help, if a unit is faster they'll be able to attack twice at most, the Brave Effect allows for that same unit to attack a total of 4 times (2 hits, then 2 hits again)

I wouldn't necessarily say this means a blatant x2 speed amp, but an "unquantifiable increase" doesn't sound too farfetched

 

[Antoniofer]

I believe something akin to avoiding damage (either reducing it or ignore it) would be more akin to speed amplification (that is basically defending), playing your turn twice before the opponent's is more akin to initiative than speed. For instance, does this powers makes hitting the target more easy, or, even if attacking twice, the opponent can ignore the attack?

 

[TheGatememer]

I don't know about this, as Brave Weapons only attack twice when the user is initiating, not when counterattacking.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

No, that's just a FEH and Fates thing, and even then that would just be how their "amp" activates, also other weapons still have the Brave Effect in FEH without the restriction, like the Meisterschwert and Loyalty Spear

 

[TheGatememer]

I thought it was a thing in Three Houses too, but I could be wrong

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

My mistake, it appears to also be that way in Three Houses, thought it was Gauntlet only for some reason

 

[Antoniofer]

May be gauntlets does it cuz someone can launch two strike with both hands? When I made Edelgard's sheet I noticed that few power in FE do not have a logical sense, they exist more to satisfying the game rather that shiw a numerical representation of real qualities.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

ngl I currently have nothing to do with the Three Houses pages

Also, I already admitted that Gauntlets having the Brave Effect is debatable due to being two hands, especially when the Unarmed Skill has the unit not using Gauntlets in the first place

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with it being a combat speed amp, but don't quite agree with doubling the speed stat for reasons similar to "Giving X times more damage" isn't linear to how having x times more Attack Potency.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Yes, this is what I meant, an unquantifiable speed increase

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Bump

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Bump

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

I like big bumps and I cannot lie

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Bump, I wonder if we can do the same for Astra tbh

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

It'sa me, bumpio, wahoo yippee

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Bump

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Backwards Long Bump

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Bump

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Bump

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Thwump

 

[ElixirBlue]

I'll defer to DDM's judgement and agree. Reading through, I also don't believe it doubles the Attack speed or rather, increase it notably enough where the opponent logically can't deal damage due to the speed gap.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Yes

That's what I said

Also I was going to explicitly treat this as an increase in Attack Speed (no reactions)

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Dump

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Clump

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Bump

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

I am also fine with DDm's conclusions.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

I have applied this to Three Houses, other games may be done later

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Applied to Shadow Dragon/New Mystery characters and Genealogy of the Holy War

we really need to index Thracia 776

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Applied to GBA games and Tellius


On to Awakening and Fates, which by far has the most characters

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

I have applied this to all profiles

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.