Mewtwo vs Samus redux

[The_real_cal_howard]

Redoing this match as Mewtwo's much higher in the 5-B tier than he was when the match was made, and Mewtwo's IC move is no longer mindhax, so the reasoning of Mewtwo midnhaxes and fails while Samus ice's isn't valid anymore. Speed equalized. Mega-two Y

Mewtwo:

Samus Ara:

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Better image.

 

[Schnee_One]

So what's the AP difference?

 

[Theglassman12]

Samus is still very high into the 5-B range

 

[Theglassman12]

And how is Samus' ice invalidated? I don't see Mewtwo resisting it

 

[Schnee_One]

It isn't.

The idea that she gets it off because mindhax fails is

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Samus is >>> fodder that can survive this.

Mewtwo is 3x stronger than Xerneas, who causes a 717 ZT event by nearly dying as a non-combative tree

 

[Schnee_One]

Mewtwo thinks and splits her apart

 

[SomebodyData]

So what does Mewtwo start with now? Judging from Schnee's comment, it sounds like he uses telekinesis to split her apart or something? Although, since we assume the strongest ver. when unspecified, I'm gonna assume its Phazon Suit Samus (Still 5-B)

 

[Schnee_One]

Telikinesis, typically grab and toss.

What's the full scaling chain?

 

[SomebodyData]

Feat = Tallon Metroid << Normal Metroids < Varia Suit Samus < Gravity Suit Samus <?< Phazon Suit Samus, as far as I know, it's not higher than Mewtwo's. Not sure why Cal keeps on calling Tallon Metroids fodder tho, I've already mentioned it gives the idea that the scaling chain is super big or something.

That said, Phazon Suit Samus should have some of the Phazon in her system, meaning the null of psychic powers thing is a pretty legitimate issue here.

 

[Schnee_One]

If it nulls TK, then Samus for all the reasons last time

If not, Samus gets shredded as Mewtwo scales to a much higher feat.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Also Mewtwo can lead with Psystrike as an option, not just TK.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Feat = Tallon Metroid << Normal Metroids < Varia Suit Samus < Gravity Suit Samus <?< Phazon Suit Samus, as far as I know, it's not higher than Mewtwo's. Not sure why Cal keeps on calling Tallon Metroids fodder tho, I've already mentioned it gives the idea that the scaling chain is super big or something.

That said, Phazon Suit Samus should have some of the Phazon in her system, meaning the null of psychic powers thing is a pretty legitimate issue here.

Pretty sure me referring to Tallon Metroids as fodder benefits Samus, as it means she fodderizes them. She scales faaaar above them.

 

[Schnee_One]

Also Mewtwo can lead with Psystrike as an option, not just TK.

If that's the omnidirectional one from Luke vs Mewtwo, her Precog tells it to go home

 

[SomebodyData]

Ye, but its subtle wank Cal. Leave that to me.

 

[Theglassman12]

Samus should take this for the reasons stated above.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

But nobody gave reasons lol.

 

[Theglassman12]

The reasons as before, Samus still resists Mewtwo's hax, and arguably has better resistances thanks to the CRT with Phazon. Wave Beam, Plasma Beam and Ice Beam combo still works here.

 

[Eficiente]

Samus ftra.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

She...doesn't resist telekinesis. That's the problem, and why the match is being redone.

 

[Theglassman12]

And she can still forsee the attack incoming while firing at Mewtwo before that can happen.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Forseeing an attack=/= can avoid it.

 

[Theglassman12]

Shooting a haxed blast that can incap your foe on contact can help her avoid it.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Psystrike is hard to get around. It also doesn't leave Mewtwo vulnerable, so even if she manages to get out Mewtwo can act again immediately after.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It's telekinesis. It's instant. No vectors to dodge. She can't really avoid that.

EDIT: Also Psystrike.

 

[Theglassman12]

not instant, it's thought based. And has he ever used TK against an energy shot before?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yes.

 

[SomebodyData]

Telekinesis and Psystrike both fall under the Phazon's innate nullification to psychic stuffs, I think that's what Glass meant.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Psychic from one verse =/= psychic from another. And something tells me that Phazon doesn't cover telekinesis and psychic energy bolts.

 

[Theglassman12]

They've dealt with Psychics before like the Chozo, and Verse equalization is a thing you know.

 

[Schnee_One]

Shooting a haxed blast that can incap your foe on contact can help her avoid it.

With a weapon she needs to shoot while Mewtwo can think

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

They've dealt with Psychics before like the Chozo

Chozo don't have TK, bud. I CTRL+F'd for it.

 

[Theglassman12]

and they're still psychics going off from the Metroid lore. Mewtwo is also a psychic type pokemon. Phazon is capable of fighting off psychic abilities based off what happened in the chozo lore.

 

[Schnee_One]

They've dealt with Psychics before like the Chozo, and Verse equalization is a thing you know.

How many of those Chozo lead with TK and are as strong as Mewtwo?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Psychic or no, they don't show resistance to TK.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

How many of those Chozo lead with TK and are as strong as Mewtwo?

Zero, as Chozo don't have telekinesis.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Schnee you mean the chozo that are able to use the same battle suits that Samus can use to combat other threats in the past? The 5-B battle suits?

 

[Schnee_One]

@Schnee you mean the chozo that are able to use the same battle suits that Samus can use to combat other threats in the past? The 5-B battle suits?

Oh so they're far weaker then Mewtwo's AP

Okay, Mewtwo thinks and wins

 

[SomebodyData]

.... Er, I'm lost here. There is no resistance to psychic powers in Metroid. There is nullification, which I'm guessing is what y'all arguing about. And as for the Chozo that are on the Chozo page, yeah they don't have telekinesis, its MB and SR Chozo that have them.