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Megami Tensei General Discussion Thread

I would say that by their very nature, their experiences in the otherworld are simplified expressions of something happening beyond their very reality, but that takes shape using their experiences from the physical reality. So even though anything that happens there is by all intents and proposes beyond the measure of physical reality, it can be translated into examples of physical reality.

That is to say, transcendence over physical reality can still be translated into physical reality, or even is needed to be, since it's all we have as a frame of reference, so transcendence is only shown by its conceptual difference with the lower world, and not by anything normally depicted in the higher world.

Such an idea isn't anything new, even in actual metaphysics like in Proclus' Metaphysical Elements there's this notion that a transcendental infinite is only infinite to those below it, but can be seen and measured as finite by those on a similar scale or above.

That is to say, infinite and transcendence are local phenomena that describe things on different levels of existence and can be seen as not infinite or transcendent if you are on the same level. (And of course, the notion of a metaphysical realm beyond time and space that looks and has space-time descriptions is often very common in fiction, as they need to be translated into something that needs to look spatiotemporal even to have a story, so often beyond space-time translation into space-time isn't unusual).
 
Honestly, I wouldn't even bother arguing against it because travel speed is an entirely different stat than combat/reaction speed, so whether or not they can travel above the speed of Light is a nonissue.
Yeah fair but I felt like some people would use it.

Granted my idea would have been to point at the bare minimum 3 FTL feats (Plus the immesurable ones) in the persona Series to show how the one off statement just isn’t backed and is contradicted more times then not.
 
I would say it is actually strange to claim a difference in travel, combat, and reaction speed when the reason for transcendence is the state of existence.
 
Yeah, most humans, or least their bodies, are ontologically 3D, even when their physicals scale to transcendent beings, so the distinction between travel and combat speed is still fine, at least in the context of refuting that one particular statement as an anti-feat. I don't really see the use in focusing on it at all because of that.
 
Bump. Okay so since Persona and SMT are part of the same thing, Imma ask something I've been wondering since a good minute:

Were Maki and Natsuya completely forgotten during the Persona upgrade, or did they simply not scale to the 1-A stuffs ?
 
Bump. Okay so since Persona and SMT are part of the same thing, Imma ask something I've been wondering since a good minute:

Were Maki and Natsuya completely forgotten during the Persona upgrade, or did they simply not scale to the 1-A stuffs ?
I'll just say that even the 1-A profiles are drastically outdated, and I don't think the Persona 1 profiles have been updated since Low 1-C was considered the peak of the verse (before Persona and SMT were merged into Megami Tensei on-site).
 
I'll just say that even the 1-A profiles are drastically outdated, and I don't think the Persona 1 profiles have been updated since Low 1-C was considered the peak of the verse (before Persona and SMT were merged into Megami Tensei on-site).
Don't think some of the persona 3 profiles where updated either or at least Junpei's wasn't.
 
Out of curiosity, will the 1-A tiers change? Being upgraded or such?
I thnk based off the thread I saw it's gonna stay 1-A. I'm not sure if it's higher into 1-A or lower but remains 1-A.

Though I have a random question in case anybody wants to answer.
how much damage can a healing spell such as Dia heal. I know in the Q manga they could regrow a limb for a shadow. But I was also just wondering if that was it's best showing.
 
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