Megami Tensei General Discussion Thread

[Executor_N0]

I would say that by their very nature, their experiences in the otherworld are simplified expressions of something happening beyond their very reality, but that takes shape using their experiences from the physical reality. So even though anything that happens there is by all intents and proposes beyond the measure of physical reality, it can be translated into examples of physical reality.

That is to say, transcendence over physical reality can still be translated into physical reality, or even is needed to be, since it's all we have as a frame of reference, so transcendence is only shown by its conceptual difference with the lower world, and not by anything normally depicted in the higher world.

Such an idea isn't anything new, even in actual metaphysics like in Proclus' Metaphysical Elements there's this notion that a transcendental infinite is only infinite to those below it, but can be seen and measured as finite by those on a similar scale or above.

That is to say, infinite and transcendence are local phenomena that describe things on different levels of existence and can be seen as not infinite or transcendent if you are on the same level. (And of course, the notion of a metaphysical realm beyond time and space that looks and has space-time descriptions is often very common in fiction, as they need to be translated into something that needs to look spatiotemporal even to have a story, so often beyond space-time translation into space-time isn't unusual).

 

[Hypertornado099]

I wanted to ask before I posted it but essentually this dialog implies Aigis and persona users aren’t Light speed.

And I just want help thinking of rebuttals to it. Since well they are.

Proof that their travel speed isn't light speed

 

[Lukewoesal007]

I wanted to ask before I posted it but essentually this dialog implies Aigis and persona users aren’t Light speed.

And I just want help thinking of rebuttals to it. Since well they are.

Honestly, I wouldn't even bother arguing against it because travel speed is an entirely different stat than combat/reaction speed, so whether or not they can travel above the speed of Light is a nonissue.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Honestly, I wouldn't even bother arguing against it because travel speed is an entirely different stat than combat/reaction speed, so whether or not they can travel above the speed of Light is a nonissue.

Yeah fair but I felt like some people would use it.

Granted my idea would have been to point at the bare minimum 3 FTL feats (Plus the immesurable ones) in the persona Series to show how the one off statement just isn’t backed and is contradicted more times then not.

 

[Executor_N0]

I would say it is actually strange to claim a difference in travel, combat, and reaction speed when the reason for transcendence is the state of existence.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I would say it is actually strange to claim a difference in travel, combat, and reaction speed when the reason for transcendence is the state of existence.

Aren't they still "normal" 3 dimensional beings even in the Dark Hour though?

 

[Lukewoesal007]

Yeah, most humans, or least their bodies, are ontologically 3D, even when their physicals scale to transcendent beings, so the distinction between travel and combat speed is still fine, at least in the context of refuting that one particular statement as an anti-feat. I don't really see the use in focusing on it at all because of that.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Bump. Okay so since Persona and SMT are part of the same thing, Imma ask something I've been wondering since a good minute:

Were Maki and Natsuya completely forgotten during the Persona upgrade, or did they simply not scale to the 1-A stuffs ?

 

[Tomfer]

Were Maki and Natsuya completely forgotten during the Persona upgrade, or did they simply not scale to the 1-A stuffs ?

No, they were not. A complete revision of the entire verse is in the works right now.

 

[Lukewoesal007]

Bump. Okay so since Persona and SMT are part of the same thing, Imma ask something I've been wondering since a good minute:

Were Maki and Natsuya completely forgotten during the Persona upgrade, or did they simply not scale to the 1-A stuffs ?

I'll just say that even the 1-A profiles are drastically outdated, and I don't think the Persona 1 profiles have been updated since Low 1-C was considered the peak of the verse (before Persona and SMT were merged into Megami Tensei on-site).

 

[Jesterofgames]

I'll just say that even the 1-A profiles are drastically outdated, and I don't think the Persona 1 profiles have been updated since Low 1-C was considered the peak of the verse (before Persona and SMT were merged into Megami Tensei on-site).

Don't think some of the persona 3 profiles where updated either or at least Junpei's wasn't.

 

[Lukewoesal007]

Don't think some of the persona 3 profiles where updated either or at least Junpei's wasn't.

Everything is outdated, basically. Some profiles are just more outdated than others. All the more reason to not make match-ups, I suppose.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Out of curiosity, will the 1-A tiers change? Being upgraded or such?

 

[Jesterofgames]

Out of curiosity, will the 1-A tiers change? Being upgraded or such?

I thnk based off the thread I saw it's gonna stay 1-A. I'm not sure if it's higher into 1-A or lower but remains 1-A.

Though I have a random question in case anybody wants to answer.
how much damage can a healing spell such as Dia heal. I know in the Q manga they could regrow a limb for a shadow. But I was also just wondering if that was it's best showing.

 

[HigashikataJobin]

No, they were not. A complete revision of the entire verse is in the works right now.

Is it happening on discord? If yes, can you please send me the link?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Do you have anything to contribute?

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

somehow I was two month's ago years old seeing that there was persona references in the niche devil children side of smt.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Guys, is the harem real? Is he really dating multiple girls at the same time?

 

[Lukewoesal007]

Guys, is the harem real? Is he really dating multiple girls at the same time?

Go outside.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Go outside.

You and I exist in different worlds. With that, we have different definitions of 'outside.' I exist in all possible worlds where a true harem appears, which means I'm always present where there is true harem , and therefore always 'outside.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

You and I exist in different worlds. With that, we have different definitions of 'outside.' I exist in all possible worlds where a true harem appears, which means I'm always present where there is true harem , and therefore always 'outside.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

You and I exist in different worlds. With that, we have different definitions of 'outside.' I exist in all possible worlds where a true harem appears, which means I'm always present where there is true harem , and therefore always 'outside.

Yeesh put on some deodorant while you're at it lmao I jest if it wasn't obvious

 

[ThatBoiRick]

You and I exist in different worlds. With that, we have different definitions of 'outside.' I exist in all possible worlds where a true harem appears, which means I'm always present where there is true harem , and therefore always 'outside.

Bro is NOT Schrödinger's cat

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Bro is NOT Schrödinger's cat

Anything is possible for a real harem king, and I am one of them. like to rizz up two girls who are the opposite of each other at the same time. Harem kings need to be both of them in order to get those two opposites in the harem.
even possible to get amor of your harem

Love for a harem king goes beyond anything. This is just 9 girls, not even close to 100 girls. Longest manga panel already in fiction.

thats proof of that guy and like Schrödinger's cat as well

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Anything is possible for a real harem king, and I am one of them. like to rizz up two girls who are the opposite of each other at the same time. Harem kings need to be both of them in order to get those two opposites in the harem.
like get amor of your harem

Love for a harem king goes beyond anything. This is just 9 girls, not even close to 100 girls. Longest manga panel already in fiction.

thats proof of that guy and like Schrödinger's cat as well

shower

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

shower

Nooooooo, I don't wanna leave my waifus for any second. I need to look upon their beauty all the time, 24/7 nonstop

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I can't tell if you're legitimately like this or you're trolling.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I can't tell if you're legitimately like this or you're trolling.

Of course, I take a shower every day and Everything that is true harem-related is me.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Alright. I suggest toning it down though. RP should be reserved for dedicated threads.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Guys, is the harem real? Is he really dating multiple girls at the same time?

no one answered my question, you are not real fans
From my research of Persona 3, 4, and 5, real harems are possible, but you have to max out some stuff for each girl before you move on to the next girl. I have to say, this is different from any harem I have seen—the way they make the MC look bad and the sad harem endings are something I have never seen. But I hoped they put in more romance and harem in the main story, so it would feel like you are dating the girls. That would have been amazing. I also found out that in Persona 5, there was going to be a harem ending, but it got removed. and maybe I can still think of this as a true harem since you can date all the girls to the very end without choosing one.

Now, another question: how are the anime adaptations of the Persona 3, 4, and 5 series? Are they good? Is the story as good as the games, animations, fights, etc.? Because I barely have anything to watch and don't want to start playing a new game. I'm already so busy with another game. I remember watching Persona 5 a long time ago, but I don't remember anything. I don't even think I finished it.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

no one answered my question, you are not real fans
From my research of Persona 3, 4, and 5, real harems are possible, but you have to max out some stuff for each girl before you move on to the next girl. I have to say, this is different from any harem I have seen—the way they make the MC look bad and the sad harem endings are something I have never seen. But I hoped they put in more romance and harem in the main story, so it would feel like you are dating the girls. That would have been amazing. I also found out that in Persona 5, there was going to be a harem ending, but it got removed. and maybe I can still think of this as a true harem since you can date all the girls to the very end without choosing one.

I'm not opening this can of worms

Now, another question: how are the anime adaptations of the Persona 3, 4, and 5 series? Are they good? Is the story as good as the games, animations, fights, etc.? Because I barely have anything to watch and don't want to start playing a new game. I'm already so busy with another game. I remember watching Persona 5 a long time ago, but I don't remember anything. I don't even think I finished it.

But yes, each one does have their own adaptation. Persona 3 has a set of 4 movies that are usually considered great. Persona 4 actually has 2 anime adaptations, one for the original game and another that details the new events seen in Golden. The former, Persona 4 the Animation, is seen as a great adaptation for the characterization of Narukami and is often considered the best adaptation out of the games, while the latter, Persona 4 the GOLDEN Animation, isn't looked upon too fondly but it's more so a fun adaptation anyways. Persona 5 the Animation..... is bad, bland, not worthwhile outside of the English dub.

The stories tend to be as good as the main content from the games, a little less so because of pacing. Most of the time the Social Link events are brushed to the side, which is a shame, though P4A did include them all in its episodes so that's a plus. Overall, aside from P5A they're all a serviceable replacement until you can actually play the games.

Eh, I think I forgot about one.

Oh right, Trinity Souls.... is certainly a show.

 

[Lukewoesal007]

I largely agree with what AnAverageUsername said, though it's important to note watching any of the anime adaptations is by no means a replacement for actually playing the games.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Persona 4 golden the animation gave us the best persona 4 related song imo, but that’s all I can really say about it

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I'm not opening this can of worms

lmao.

But yes, each one does have their own adaptation. Persona 3 has a set of 4 movies that are usually considered great.

ok. will watch it 2nd

Persona 4 actually has 2 anime adaptations, one for the original game and another that details the new events seen in Golden. The former, Persona 4 the Animation, is seen as a great adaptation for the characterization of Narukami and is often considered the best adaptation out of the games, while the latter, Persona 4 the GOLDEN Animation, isn't looked upon too fondly but it's more so a fun adaptation anyways.

Looks the most interesting if it has the best adaptation while also having all the episodes. I prefer that to the others. I will watch it first and start now .

Persona 5 the Animation..... is bad, bland, not worthwhile outside of the English dub.

I had a feeling that might be the reason why I didn't finish it. While it has the best game of all of them, the anime is just a downgrade. The dub makes sense. I searched, and the game's dub is the more popular than sub . I will watch it last.

The stories tend to be as good as the main content from the games, a little less so because of pacing. Most of the time the Social Link events are brushed to the side, which is a shame, though P4A did include them all in its episodes so that's a plus. Overall, aside from P5A they're all a serviceable replacement until you can actually play the games.

nice

Eh, I think I forgot about one.

Oh right, Trinity Souls.... is certainly a show.

Thanks, you gave me the push to watch and made me excited to watch. I will think about Trinity Souls dont have the excitment now.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Persona 4 golden the animation gave us the best persona 4 related song imo, but that’s all I can really say about it

It's big brother still has it beat in that department, though Ying-Yang is still an absolute banger

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Is this even Nep 2? From the looks of it, it's Nep 1, and there is no scan to support the statement. It should be removed.

• Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2): The world of the unconsciousness is a realm of nothingness, where existence as a whole is absent, and nothing but unstructured, raw information resides.

 

[XatorNova]

Is this even Nep 2? From the looks of it, it's Nep 1, and there is no scan to support the statement. It should be removed.

• Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2): The world of the unconsciousness is a realm of nothingness, where existence as a whole is absent, and nothing but unstructured, raw information resides.

the verse is going through a massive revision
I think there are scans for NEP type 2 too, so you'll have to wait

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

the verse is going through a massive revision
I think there are scans for NEP type 2 too, so you'll have to wait

ok, what about Acausality type 5

 

[Ebihara]

From my research of Persona 3, 4, and 5, real harems are possible, but you have to max out some stuff for each girl before you move on to the next girl. I have to say, this is different from any harem I have seen—the way they make the MC look bad and the sad harem endings are something I have never seen. But I hoped they put in more romance and harem in the main story, so it would feel like you are dating the girls. That would have been amazing. I also found out that in Persona 5, there was going to be a harem ending, but it got removed. and maybe I can still think of this as a true harem since you can date all the girls to the very end without choosing one.

For persona 3 in the original you couldn't start most of the romance social links till a stat was maxed out and while you could talk to multiple girls at once and their is a formula that I am too lazy to find that basically if talking to multiple girls you would need to do a time passing event with each of the girls in a certain time period of they would derank. in my experience for this to happen you would have to be working on like 3 girls social links at once and then just not talk to one for like 2 weeks. once you get a girl to I want to say rank 10 it may have been 9? its locked in and wont downgrade (its been so long since i played og persona 3 if anyone has any better info feel free to correct me) This system particular derank system was removed in further versions of p3. Afterward og p3 you are free to start as large a harem as you like.

In persona 4 there isnt really any downside gameplay wise of dating all of the girls. You can chose who you want to spend time with on each of the relevant events with no downside. The only real "downside" is on valentines day you have to watch them cry from out of sight as they are upset you are busy on valentines day. there is one social link that you will always get a scene for after all of that no matter what and doesnt really interact with any of the other romance events so might as well add that onto the harem. Persona 4 and persona 4 golden are pro harem! kinda. you also dont need maxed stats for basically any of the social links to start them at least

Persona 5 does punish you for trying form a harem as in this games valentines day. all the girls who are dating show up and get really upset. you get a scene in which they all get mad and you miss out on an item for NG+.

I am sure I am missing some details about the history of harems in persona games . Romance in general has been very clearly an afterthought to me in the persona games and just somthing to add a little flavor to the social aspects of the game, I am currently fine with how they are implemented.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

For persona 3 in the original you couldn't start most of the romance social links till a stat was maxed out and while you could talk to multiple girls at once and their is a formula that I am too lazy to find that basically if talking to multiple girls you would need to do a time passing event with each of the girls in a certain time period of they would derank. in my experience for this to happen you would have to be working on like 3 girls social links at once and then just not talk to one for like 2 weeks. once you get a girl to I want to say rank 10 it may have been 9? its locked in and wont downgrade (its been so long since i played og persona 3 if anyone has any better info feel free to correct me) This system particular derank system was removed in further versions of p3. Afterward og p3 you are free to start as large a harem as you like.

In persona 4 there isnt really any downside gameplay wise of dating all of the girls. You can chose who you want to spend time with on each of the relevant events with no downside. The only real "downside" is on valentines day you have to watch them cry from out of sight as they are upset you are busy on valentines day. there is one social link that you will always get a scene for after all of that no matter what and doesnt really interact with any of the other romance events so might as well add that onto the harem. Persona 4 and persona 4 golden are pro harem! kinda. you also dont need maxed stats for basically any of the social links to start them at least

Persona 5 does punish you for trying form a harem as in this games valentines day. all the girls who are dating show up and get really upset. you get a scene in which they all get mad and you miss out on an item for NG+.

I am sure I am missing some details about the history of harems in persona games . Romance in general has been very clearly an afterthought to me in the persona games and just somthing to add a little flavor to the social aspects of the game, I am currently fine with how they are implemented.

thanks so much