Megami Tensei General Discussion Thread

[noninho]

Think imma do my next challenges in FES to see what yall mean

Tho ngl I wish Makoto and Yu were anywhere as hard as you say Joker is when you fight them in p5/p5r

 

[noninho]

Also: I've been (slowly) playing chronologically and can't recommend more, for whoever haven't, to check out Devil Survivor 2 and the first Raidou game

 

[Lukewoesal007]

Think imma do my next challenges in FES to see what yall mean

Why would you comment on the difficulty of the fights when you're playing in a way that artificially makes the game more difficult than intended?

 

[noninho]

Why would you comment on the difficulty of the fights when you're playing in a way that artificially makes the game more difficult than intended?

Cuz I haven't played only challenges
Though I mentioned before that I may have listed those bosses with influence of the challenges cuz they're the last time I've played the game, I also played it regularly, just many many years ago

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

 

[noninho]

Futaba "Oracle" Sakura>>>>>>>>>

 

[noninho]

How do you guys think each games' persona users scale to one another? Is the diff between them ridiculous or they're kinda in the same level?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

excluding P1 and IS/EP (as the mechanics for them are so different) , i think you can find ways to get certain party members to scale off one another or at least in the same ish range (thanks to Ultimax and Q). that being said i use to believe there was a much larger gap between the main wild card users from the modern trilogy with Makoto >>> but i no longer hold this opinion at all.

 

[Lukewoesal007]

How do you guys think each games' persona users scale to one another? Is the diff between them ridiculous or they're kinda in the same level?

Powerscaling and our official ratings aside (because the verse, as always, is undergoing massive revisions), I think the authorial intention is clear that most Persona users, across each game, are supposed to be roughly comparable, at least for the purposes of storytelling.

 

[noninho]

excluding P1 and IS/EP (as the mechanics for them are so different) , i think you can find ways to get certain party members to scale off one another or at least in the same ish range (thanks to Ultimax and Q). that being said i use to believe there was a much larger gap between the main wild card users from the modern trilogy with Makoto >>> but i no longer hold this opinion at all.

Ig the main diff is how much they can use their stuff in the real world, which if my memory doesn't betray me, would get p5 as the strongest, no? Don't remember if p4 guys use their abilities at all IRL and to me even Nyx is fought inside Dark Hour/Tartarus

 

[noninho]

Powerscaling and our official ratings aside (because the verse, as always, is undergoing massive revisions), I think the authorial intention is clear that most Persona users, across each game, are supposed to be roughly comparable, at least for the purposes of storytelling.

I also think something like this to be true, which would give p5 another "edge" with Picaro personas, if I'm not mistaken on my other point, for the wild card user of the game

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

i think based on memory P3 are the only ones that explicitly imply or show feats of doing so without the dark hour, that being said i think its still implied the others could too if the situation called for it.

that being said im in agreement with luke that narratively they prob intended to be closer than further apart in the power hierarchy, outliers not withstanding.

though my current mindset has Joker as possibly the strongest of the trio, just at least with some of the recent spin offs and narrative implications (Like Fuuka in reload sensing a Cognition of Joker and crapping herself over its power) though even if we still said Makoto was the strongest i dont think either protag is >>>>

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

though on a side note, Maki from persona 1 has statements in Persona 2 from Igor as being the strongest persona user (during this time) which id like to see reflected on her profile at some point

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Futaba "Oracle" Sakura>>>>>>>>>

Rise Kujikawa >>>>>>>>>>

Like damn, automatic scans and a free revive? Broken as hell.

 

[noninho]

i think based on memory P3 are the only ones that explicitly imply or show feats of doing so without the dark hour, that being said i think its still implied the others could too if the situation called for it.

When tho?

Also if p3 does this, still, this isn't true, p5's last Dungeon is in the real world afaik

 

[Lukewoesal007]

i think based on memory P3 are the only ones that explicitly imply or show feats of doing so without the dark hour, that being said i think its still implied the others could too if the situation called for it.

Ig the main diff is how much they can use their stuff in the real world, which if my memory doesn't betray me, would get p5 as the strongest, no? Don't remember if p4 guys use their abilities at all IRL and to me even Nyx is fought inside Dark Hour/Tartarus

I don't really get the logic behind rating them based on whether they can use their Personas in the real world, when one of the thematic capstones of the series is understanding the distinction between the "real" and "Cognitive" doesn't actually exist. There are also statements in P4A that Hashino trilogy Persona users can wield their Personas in the real world.

 

[Imaginym]

 

[noninho]

There are also statements in P4A that Hashino trilogy Persona users can wield their Personas in the real world.

Plz provide them, I'm genuinely interested

I don't really get the logic behind rating them based on whether they can use their Personas in the real world, when one of the thematic capstones of the series is understanding the distinction between the "real" and "Cognitive" doesn't actually exist.

I don't get at all what you're saying here when they enter different places/dimensions to execute their stuff.
I mean, where's the mascots shenanigans like Morgana-Van or the masks, or any other example?
At the end of those 3, usually something "breaks a barrier", like Yaldabaoth Summoning the last Dungeon, Nyx's fight (iirc) and that fog that got their glasses working at p4g, but I can't see any evidence that they could always do this or smth like that

 

[Ovrhide]

Is angel Lucifer stronger than Satan?

Yes. Evangelion Lucifer is stronger than thicc titty satan.

Tho 7 headed Satan is stronger. At least my boi hibonibo scales to this satan now. The power of twink is just too much for the great will to suppress.