[MCU] Stormbreaker Upgrade (Mild resistance to the Infinity Gauntlet/Stones)

[Naeem0304]

Screenwriter Interview (Infinity War)

For clarification, this is referencing the interview video with the screenwriters of Infinity War. The official Stormbreaker page on our wiki pledges the Russo brothers statement on Stormbreaker being the most powerful weapon, and it go without question that the screenwriters have a similar amount of WoG (word of god) legitimacy. Lastly, the interviews for the Russo's and the screenwriters were both hosted by Collider. I think these statements are 100% fair to use:
"How was Stormbreaker able to slice through a fully equipped Infinity Gauntlet?"
-Answered by the two screenwriters of Infinity War; Stephen Mcfeely and Christopher Markus

Interviewee: Is Stormbreaker more powerful than the Full Infinity Gauntlet?

Markus: Well... he slices through the power of the Infinity Gauntlet. I would imagine it might have something to do with the fact the same guy made both of them.

Interviewee: Was this debated, like this kind like of power of each thing?

Markus: I don't recall that actual debate, because... I think this actually cutting through the beam came relatively late in the process. But uh, it's uh Dwarven...magic?

Stephen: Yeah, Eitri can make what he likes for whomever he likes, and you know, why is there a 3x3 hole in the Death Star?

Interviewee: Wait, you're trying to say that things need to push the plot forward.

Stephen: No, I just say that I think eventually they figured out that 'Eitri' designed a little flaw in it so that it can-- (makes a gesture in reference to Stormbreaker cutting through the beam.)

There's a correlating statement that the Joe Russo made in their interview (exact timestamp link is here), with this being part of the answer as to how Stormbreaker countered the six stones:

Joe Russo: ...And Eitri made both. If I remember that.

• So there's the implication that the Infinity Gauntlet had a 'flaw' that Stormbreaker could bypass.

However...

We know that the Infinity Gauntlet only harnesses the power of the stones and given the way the screenwriters worded it, Stormbreaker's interaction would somehow 'bypass' or 'counter' the stones to a specific extent.

Option 1: Limited Resistance to the following Hax Abilities (All the Infinity Stone hax abilities)​

Limited Resistance to Teleportation, Portal Creation, Dimensional Travel, Shockwave Generation, Telekinesis, Black Hole Creation, Soul Manipulation, Absorption, Fire Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Transmutation, Air Manipulation, Matter Manipulation and Deconstruction (Atomic Level), Explosion Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Heat Manipulation, Forcefield Creation, Spatial Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Petrification, Purification, Telepathy, Empathetic Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Intangibility, Reality Warping and Power Nullification.

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

Option 2: Limited Resistance to a small amount of Hax Abilities (Baseline abilities from the Stones)​

Limited Resistance to Teleportation, Time Manipulation, Reality Warping, Soul Manipulation, Matter Manipulation (Atomic Level), Explosion Manipulation and Heat Manipulation.

(This option is in place for the basic hax abilities that each individual stone has: teleportation from the Space Stone, time manipulation from the Time Stone, soul manipulation from the Soul Stone, Matter/Explosion Manipulation from the Power Stone, heat manipulation from the Mind Stone and reality warping from the Reality Stone.

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

Option 3: Limited Resistance to a smaller amount of Hax Abilities​

Limited Resistance to Teleportation, Matter Manipulation/Explosion Manipulation and Heat Manipulation.

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Yokoahh5743]

This is rather nonsensical because Thanos did not use all hax of all infinity stones to resist stormbreaker attacks

 

[Naeem0304]

This is rather nonsensical because Thanos did not use all hax of all infinity stones to resist stormbreaker attacks

I offered two options. And secondly, resistance to all the stone's hax isn't exactly out there since the screenwriters and directors implied that Stormbreaker has a resistance to the Infinity Gauntlet. That's why I wrote:

Stormbreaker's interaction would somehow 'bypass' or 'counter' the stones to a specific extent.

It can either mean complete resistance to all the hax abilities (option 1) or just the base abilities (option 2.)

You wrote your response like the last option wasn't visible.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

You wrote your response like the last option wasn't visible.

However, that's still too much to upgrade even as a second option. As we saw in Thor Love and Thunder, Stormbreaker is still corruption by Gorr simple hax, opening the door to eternity

 

[Naeem0304]

However, that's still too much to upgrade even as a second option. As we saw in Thor Love and Thunder, Stormbreaker is still corruption by Gorr simple hax, opening the door to eternity

That's why I marked it as 'mild' resistance. In no way was the post trying to interpret that Stormbreaker would receive an 100% resistance to the hax abilities listed above, only to a specific degree.

It does have limits.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

That's why I marked it as 'mild' resistance. In no way was the post trying to interpret that Stormbreaker would receive an 100% resistance to the hax abilities listed above, only to a specific degree.

It does have limits.

Time manipulation, souls manipulation, and reality manipulation should be removed from that list as they are fairly biggest hax

 

[Naeem0304]

Time manipulation, souls manipulation, and reality manipulation should be removed from that list as they are fairly biggest hax

Revised in an option 3 that has those removed

 

[Hixkaryana]

Option 3 seems fine, although I feel like the evidence is kinda shaky, not sure if this is gonna get accepted

 

[Raincutter]

There's another statement that implies it was just raw power, and anything less would've been destroyed, and supposedly a script that Thanos indeed just used the full power of the gauntlet.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

There's another statement that implies it was just raw power, and anything less would've been destroyed, and supposedly a script that Thanos indeed just used the full power of the gauntlet.

Wouldn't that just turn Stormbreaker universal since that's what we have the gauntlet's full power as?

 

[Hixkaryana]

Wouldn't that just turn Stormbreaker universal since that's what we have the gauntlet's full power as?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Hey, I didn't say it's a good idea. I'm just saying the obvious implication of that statement

 

[Hixkaryana]

Hey, I didn't say it's a good idea. I'm just saying the obvious implication of that statement

I know lmao it’s just kinda funny we’re moving from upgrade to upgrade in a blink of an eye

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I know lmao it’s just kinda funny we’re moving from upgrade to upgrade in a blink of an eye

At this rate we're going to be swapping franchises and reaching the Speed Force

 

[Raincutter]

Hey, I didn't say it's a good idea. I'm just saying the obvious implication of that statement

Yeah, I mean it certainly has more backing imo than the hax negation theory
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/foru...re-powerful-than-the-infinity-stones-2326712/
A guy asked if Mjolnir could withstand the power of all 6 stones. Russos say no since it's not powerful enough. No implication of any resistances or negation

Another mention of power

And here, the directors again praise its power

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To my knowledge, the Death Star thing is the only piece of WoG that even hints at some hax thing while everything else points to it being power. Ofc you might broaden the meaning of "power" to say that resistances make it more powerful, but I'm going with Occam's razor on this one.
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3-A Stormbreaker is fine to me, but I think it's absurd to think a panicked Thanos, who explicitly doesn't hold back against genuine threats, would use less than the power of one stone while having all six lit up to fire at Thor.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Yeah, I mean it certainly has more backing imo than the hax negation theory

3-A Stormbreaker is fine to me, but I think it's absurd to think a panicked Thanos, who explicitly doesn't hold back against genuine threats, would use less than the power of one stone while having all six lit up to fire at Thor.

I feel like this is gonna butterfly effect into Wanda considering the whole 'strongest Avenger in Endgame' thing, lets see what other buffs we can find before we reach the retcon stage of Speed Force and make everything here non-canon because staff disagrees

 

[Hixkaryana]

I feel like this is gonna butterfly effect into Wanda considering the whole 'strongest Avenger in Endgame' thing, lets see what other buffs we can find before we reach the retcon stage of Speed Force and make everything here non-canon because staff disagrees

Pre-Awakened Scarlet Witch already At Least 3-A

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Pre-Awakened Scarlet Witch already At Least 3-A

that sick

 

[darkphantom9805]

yeah this thread is mostly nonsense Stormbreaker doesn’t resist its hax it’s implied the opposite the Russo bros in fact say thanos could’ve countered it otherwise ways outside of raw power which implies Stormbreaker > gauntlet in power but Stormbreaker can still be countered by the gauntlet with its hax which is why he says other ways rather then shooting a very powerful beam

Most statements about Stormbreaker and the entire narrative of the film paints it as a weapon that can defeat thanos and his infinity gauntlet because how powerful it is and mjolnir couldn’t replicate its feat’s because its not as strong as Stormbreaker no nullification is mentioned

 

[Naeem0304]

yeah this thread is mostly nonsense Stormbreaker doesn’t resist its hax it’s implied the opposite the Russo bros in fact say thanos could’ve countered it otherwise ways outside of raw power which implies Stormbreaker > gauntlet in power but Stormbreaker can still be countered by the gauntlet with its hax which is why he says other ways rather then shooting a very powerful beam

Most statements about Stormbreaker and the entire narrative of the film paints it as a weapon that can defeat thanos and his infinity gauntlet because how powerful it is and mjolnir couldn’t replicate its feat’s because its not as strong as Stormbreaker no nullification is mentioned

Didn't he use the time stone which is only meant to manipulate time? The infinity beam uses more than just sheer destructive power; it's the combination of every infinity stone (like how the snap uses the Reality Stone for the dusting effect, the time stone so that it happens at once, the soul stone to destroy the soul, space stone so that every person in space gets affected, the power stone to destroy the body's and the mind stone for some unknown purpose.)

So it's raw power + small resistance to the stone's hax abilities.

Heck, Mark 50 Iron Man got resistance to Matter Manipulation and Deconstruction from blocking the Power Stone on his page, so I don't know why Stormbreaker can't qualify when it went against all six stones + having these statements as well.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Heck, Mark 50 Iron Man got resistance to Matter Manipulation and Deconstruction from blocking the Power Stone on his page, so I don't know why Stormbreaker can't qualify when it went against all six stones + having these statements as well.

I can see this being a good argument for those two being the specific resistances, since if the beam is just meant to be raw power then it'd be very weird if it didn't have the properties of the stone that governs that specific section of the gauntlet

 

[darkphantom9805]

Didn't he use the time stone which is only meant to manipulate time? The infinity beam uses more than just sheer destructive power; it's the combination of every infinity stone (like how the snap uses the Reality Stone for the dusting effect, the time stone so that it happens at once, the soul stone to destroy the soul, space stone so that every person in space gets affected, the power stone to destroy the body's and the mind stone for some unknown purpose.)

every infinity stone can be used for raw power rather then hax ultron was doing just that trying out different combinations against the watcher etc

So it's raw power + small resistance to the stone's hax abilities.

Possibly but raw power is the only 1 that is confirmed

 

[Raincutter]

I can see this being a good argument for those two being the specific resistances, since if the beam is just meant to be raw power then it'd be very weird if it didn't have the properties of the stone that governs that specific section of the gauntlet

Yeah I can get behind it getting some resistances, but to think Thanos fired a 5-C blast with a 3-A weapon? You might as well say he didn’t even fire a blast since that practically rounds out to 0% of the gauntlet’s power

 

[RoTt35]

There's also a statement that says that the IG is capable of channeling the full power of the Infinity Stones, so Low 1-C Stormbreaker

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

There's also a statement that says that the IG is capable of channeling the full power of the Infinity Stones, so Low 1-C Stormbreaker

think we peaked the Speed Force, higher dimensional pre-awakened Wanda scaling

 

[darkphantom9805]

There's also a statement that says that the IG is capable of channeling the full power of the Infinity Stones, so Low 1-C Stormbreaker

I mean Stormbreaker has absolutely 0 anti feats so we have nothing to say it can’t be that strong it was even the key to blasting into a higher dimensional realm with eternity

 

[darkphantom9805]

Yeah I can get behind it getting some resistances, but to think Thanos fired a 5-C blast with a 3-A weapon? You might as well say he didn’t even fire a blast since that practically rounds out to 0% of the gauntlet’s power

Obviously it’s delusional this site just downplays Stormbreaker especially when thanos had several seconds before the axe actually reached him you would think thanos a very s,art character would be like ohh it’s not working let’s output more power or something but the way the site has it thanos let himself get hit by an axe he saw he wasn’t overpowering his beam all because he decided despite using all 6 stones in that beam to use less power then 1 stone

why even use all 6 if he was going to use less power then 1 and like .0000000001% of its power

 

[Dinobot1996]

It looks like it's the Avengers: Infinity War - The Official Movie Special book that states that the Infinity Gauntlet can channel the full power of the Infinity Stones, and grant the wearer infinite power over reality when charged with all six Stones:

 

[ByArrow]

Obviously it’s delusional this site just downplays Stormbreaker especially when thanos had several seconds before the axe actually reached him you would think thanos a very s,art character would be like ohh it’s not working let’s output more power or something but the way the site has it thanos let himself get hit by an axe he saw he wasn’t overpowering his beam all because he decided despite using all 6 stones in that beam to use less power then 1 stone

why even use all 6 if he was going to use less power then 1 and like .0000000001% of its power

When Thanos used the stones on a universal scale, he damaged both the gauntlet and himself. And when he attacked Strombreaker in that scene, he didn't suffer those effects. That shows that that attack was not universal.

 

[Raincutter]

I’m reading through the stones profiles and wtf is up with country level Aether? The whole plot of the film was that it was gonna destroy the universe and it has the same infinite power statements as the other stones.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

When Thanos used the stones on a universal scale, he damaged both the gauntlet and himself. And when he attacked Strombreaker in that scene, he didn't suffer those effects. That shows that that attack was not universal.

TBF, it is shown that the stones are a lot more volatile if you don't have the strength to use them properly and Thanos kinda had something on in his chest when he did that. So you could make a weakened argument on that since the dude nearly died

 

[RoTt35]

I’m reading through the stones profiles and wtf is up with country level Aether? The whole plot of the film was that it was gonna destroy the universe and it has the same infinite power statements as the other stones.

Briefly it had up to 3-A AP but was downgraded to just its range since iirc the feat was considered Transmutation/Reality Warping, which is hax rather than AP

 

[darkphantom9805]

When Thanos used the stones on a universal scale, he damaged both the gauntlet and himself. And when he attacked Strombreaker in that scene, he didn't suffer those effects. That shows that that attack was not universal.

Irrelevant the reason the gauntlet got damaged was because the energy was more channeled into the gauntlet itself during the snap

When he fired the energy beam he shot all of its energy outwards instead of channeling it into the gauntlet So it’s energy was more concentrated and therefore less destructive

 

[Hixkaryana]

Irrelevant the reason the gauntlet got damaged was because the energy was more channeled into the gauntlet itself during the snap

When he fired the energy beam he shot all of its energy outwards instead of channeling it into the gauntlet So it’s energy was more concentrated and therefore less destructive

Don’t u have to channel the energy inwards to propel it outwards?

 

[darkphantom9805]

Don’t u have to channel the energy inwards to propel it outwards?

no and there’s no evidence of that either the Russo bros state after the snap his arm is messed up and anything attached to it is messed up meaning all that energy was concentrated into the gauntlet and his arm before being released rather then just shot out as a concentrated beam coming straight from the stones themselves

 

[Hixkaryana]

no and there’s no evidence of that either the Russo bros state after the snap his arm is messed up and anything attached to it is messed up meaning all that energy was concentrated into the gauntlet and his arm before being released rather then just shot out as a concentrated beam coming straight from the stones themselves

Right right

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Also thanos was "charched" by the infinite gauntlet and stated that the gauntlet was at full power before thanos used the beam:

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Also thanos was "charched" by the infinite gauntlet and stated that the gauntlet was at full power before thanos used the beam:

Energy flows from the Infinity Gauntlet, giving Thanos a boost in power before he snap. I think the context is pretty clear. The power of the Infinity Stone making him so powerful and snap half the universe population into gone. No context mentions that he charged the beam with all of the Infinity Stone power

 

[Raincutter]

Energy flows from the Infinity Gauntlet, giving Thanos a boost in power before he snap. I think the context is pretty clear. The power of the Infinity Stone making him so powerful and snap half the universe population into gone. No context mentions that he charged the beam with all of the Infinity Stone power

he wasn't amped. Ther director's commentary posted above that says the stones presented a "toll" on his body. Supercharged probably means he was just had a sh*t ton of energy flowing through him; this is consistent with Stark and Hulk both getting fried.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

he wasn't amped. Ther director's commentary posted above that says the stones presented a "toll" on his body. Supercharged probably means he was just had a sh*t ton of energy flowing through him; this is consistent with Stark and Hulk both getting fried.

Yeah, the infinity stone allows him to carry out his will with all infinity stone power. It's not all about shooting beams with power of the Infinity Stone