MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread

[Colonel_Krukov]

I don’t really need a retailing of the story. My point is that it was more of a adaptation(a changed one) rather then just an inspiration.

I think it's the latter imho, we don't see any of the major plot points involved like the Illuminati, him becoming a king and starting a family, the destruction, loss and anger, and his violent return to Earth.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

He has been teased in basically every movie since Venom 2, he WILL appear.

Not sure about that honestly, the hive mind stuff can easily be taken on its own without using Knull and the MCU doesn't really need him in its storyline, though the Symbiote in the NWH post-credit scene

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I think it's the latter imho, we don't see any of the major plot points involved like the Illuminati, him becoming a king and starting a family, the destruction, loss and anger, and his violent return to Earth.

That’s why the storyline was butchered imo. He was still shot into space(he still had his rampage, which was the reason he was exiled in the comics), he still went to sakarr, korg and meik were there and he still ened up being happy(in the worse way possible). It wouldn’t make since for him to be shot into space agian and end up on sakaar agian.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

That’s why the storyline was butchered imo. He was still shot into space(he still had his rampage, which was the reason he was exiled in the comics), he still went to sakarr, korg and meik were there and he still ened up being happy(in the worse way possible). It wouldn’t make since for him to be shot into space agian and end up on sakaar agian.

He wasn't shot into space, he flew there on his own accord

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

He wasn't shot into space, he flew there on his own accord

Regardless he still ended up on sakarr

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Yep, we still have to know how exactly he ended up there specifically

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

This is interesting

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

It would be nice to see him make an appearance

 

[Newendigo]

I know people deeply want it but will Knull even exist in the MCU at all? It's the same thing as Mephisto, nobody is sure they will appear in any way

I personally hope he never appears, he is really such a annoying character like The Batman Who Laughs.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

My problem with him is that he really doesn't feel like what he's supposed to be. He's an ancient god but his design is just an armored super-villain and he isn't as eldritch or impressive as other really godly antagonists for me

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

My problem with him is that he really doesn't feel like what he's supposed to be. He's an ancient god but his design is just an armored super-villain and he isn't as eldritch or impressive as other really godly antagonists for me

Maybe some SFX will improve his look?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Maybe some SFX will improve his look?

Maybe lol

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Doubt it(especially considering what they did to gorr)

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Just realized that MCU Tony has a pretty good durability feat here

 

[Propellus]

Just realized that MCU Tony has a pretty good durability feat here

Are you sure it isn't an outlier?

 

[KLOL506]

Are you sure it isn't an outlier?

Inverse-square law means he doesn't take the full brunt of the explosion since he's not near the epicenter of the boom, so maybe not.

Missiles look to be AGM-114 Hellfire missiles based on the round ends and the black and yellow line paint-scheme. Those carry 8-9 kg warheads, which roughly equates to 0.008-0.009 tons of TNT (Low-end 9-A).

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Inverse-square law means he doesn't take the full brunt of the explosion since he's not near the epicenter of the boom, so maybe not.

Missiles look to be AGM-114 Hellfire missiles based on the round ends and the black and yellow line paint-scheme. Those carry 8-9 kg warheads, which roughly equates to 0.008-0.009 tons of TNT (Low-end 9-A).

Consistent with the other 9-A durability for Tony calc :3

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I can't believe 9-A Tony has a chance to be consistent

 

[Propellus]

I doubt 9-A Tony Stark is going to be viable

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I doubt 9-A Tony Stark is going to be viable

It'll likely just be durability only. Tony is kinda portrayed as a Stonewall after all

 

[Hellbeast]

I can't believe 9-A Tony has a chance to be consistent

And it'd prolly scale to peak humans like Widow who are stronger then him

 

[Propellus]

It'll likely just be durability only. Tony is kinda portrayed as a Stonewall after all

Then that would mean that he's more durable than his first suit which I don't buy

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

And it'd prolly scale to peak humans like Widow who are stronger then him

Guys like widow and Hawkeye being 9-A would make the gap between characters like them and characters like Cap less egregious

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Then that would mean that he's more durable than his first suit which I don't buy

Then scale his first suit above Tony lol. 9-B is a low ball because we don't have that many good feats for Mark 1

 

[Hellbeast]

Guys like widow and Hawkeye being 9-A would make the gap between characters like them and characters like Cap less egregious

NGL it does (Like how far into 9-A is Tony) plus doesn't Scott have a 9-A feat?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

NGL it does (Like how far into 9-A is Tony) plus doesn't Scott have a 9-A feat?

How so? As for Scott, I don't recall tbh.

 

[Propellus]

Then scale his first suit above Tony lol. 9-B is a low ball because we don't have that many good feats for Mark 1

That suit was only used once anyways, and I'm not so sure about how powerful his flamethrowers are

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Flamethrowers can probably be assumed to be as power as irl flamethrowers, we have a page for that i think

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Btw, the highest 9-A calc for Tony is almost borderline 9-A+. So I guess those above him would be 9-A+

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Aguywhodoesthings/Iron_Man:_Jericho_explosion

 

[Hellbeast]

How so?

If they're high enough into 9-A it'd make sense how they can compete with 8-C's (Cap and co are 0.5 tons right?)

As for Scott, I don't recall tbh.

I swear Scott had a 9-A feat in Endgame

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I swear Scott had a 9-A feat in Endgame

Closest I can think of is inverse square law for him surviving the missiles but I don't that's ever been calced.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I think i recall the missiles being calced, Ant-Man's result was 9-B however Hawkeye and Black Widow got a 9-A result from it
Ngl i think normal humans in the MCU just have 9-A Dura

 

[Propellus]

Speaking of Tony, I've always wondered, why is his arm wrists lasers SoL? Because there was never a justification for it listed

 

[Hellbeast]

I think i recall the missiles being calced, Ant-Man's result was 9-B however Hawkeye and Black Widow got a 9-A result from it
Ngl i think normal humans in the MCU just have 9-A Dura

Shit this works
We'd prolly need some 9-A AP to help tho

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I think i recall the missiles being calced, Ant-Man's result was 9-B however Hawkeye and Black Widow got a 9-A result from it
Ngl i think normal humans in the MCU just have 9-A Dura

Destruction of the Avengers HQ

vsbattles.fandom.com

Ant-Man's result is almost 9-B+ tho

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Also there were several soldiers just a few meters away from Tony who also tanked the Jericho shockwave, so completely unremarkable people in the verse are 9-A aswell

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Speaking of Tony, I've always wondered, why is his arm wrists lasers SoL? Because there was never a justification for it listed

Moves in a straight line, comes from a futuristic source and is a laser ig.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Speaking of Tony, I've always wondered, why is his arm wrists lasers SoL? Because there was never a justification for it listed

I think it's because of guidebook statements. That and it does follow the standards for lightspeed.

It's a shame no one scales to it in speed

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Moves in a straight line, comes from a futuristic source and is a laser ig.

Also seems to have heat properties which i think is another criteria?
Btw i'm gonna calc the missile explosion Tony survived, maybe it would also be useful calcing Tony surviving the bomb at the begining of IM1 and getting thrown through ballistic glass in Avengers

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Btw i'm gonna calc the missile explosion Tony survived

Shame