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idk marvel doesn't treat the gap between its high tiers as that big, party thor fought captain marvel, weakened thor fought hulk, pre-awakening thor fought post-sakaar hulk and hela etc
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MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread
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Tbf Pre-Awakened Thor was getting worked by Hela iirc
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Its confirmed to be Monica in the super bowl tv spot. Monica has short hair now and she is probably a variant that belongs to the illuminati according to the leaks. Also Wanda is stronger than the sorcerer supreme which is currently Wong in the MCU, Doctor Strange was dead for 5 years and is just a sorcerer with no tittle as Wong became the new protector of the Sanctum.
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Honestly unexpected and ik this name is contentious on the wiki but I honestly never expected Seth to do a MCU vs video
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Honestly tho this just comes down to what these MCU vs DCEU battles come down to regularly and that's the fact that Dceu just has insane speed feats and that narratively the characters have to scale because of Superman yada yada but that's to be expected heck even seth notes if spidey actually landed a blow on dceu Batman he'd one tap him but the biggest problem is just his speed
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we don't scale Batman to Superman's speed on this wiki for some reason
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Yeah on the wiki its PIS as it even if it's consistent because it has to be for batman to function in the plots of these movies
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After getting a chance to rewatch the trailer on desktop with closed captions I've noticed some things.
- The scene where Wanda giving the line about strange doing something wrong and becoming the hero seems to be the same setting, if not the same scene as the opening scene in the teaser where Strange asks Wanda what she knows about the Multiverse. Strange is still wearing a scarf and there are clearly short trees in the setting but with all the leaves burnt off and Wanda is in her Scarlet Witch outfit. Perhaps Wanda has a brief emotional burst out in this scene?
- Captions call the variant Strange "Sinister Strange." Doesn't totally prove the variant isn't Strange Supreme, but does take a hit to the speculation. However the word sinister being used here may confirm suspicions that this Strange is malicious in intent.
- Strange is blocking Mordo's staff swing with his handcuffs we see earlier in the trailer. Mordo may be attempting to ambush strange.
- The sorcerer doing the cool ass flips against Gargantos is 100% Wong. My man.
- Gargantos' tentacles are green and have octopus suction cups on them. Much like the tentacle monster from What If...?.
- I have absolutely no ******* clue what the hell is going on at the end of the trailer but Strange seems to be becoming one with those black things. Considering the way Wong shouted "STRANGE!" its seemingly implied that it is the sacred timeline strange that we're seeing in the final scene, and not some variant.
- The scene where Wanda giving the line about strange doing something wrong and becoming the hero seems to be the same setting, if not the same scene as the opening scene in the teaser where Strange asks Wanda what she knows about the Multiverse. Strange is still wearing a scarf and there are clearly short trees in the setting but with all the leaves burnt off and Wanda is in her Scarlet Witch outfit. Perhaps Wanda has a brief emotional burst out in this scene?
- Captions call the variant Strange "Sinister Strange." Doesn't totally prove the variant isn't Strange Supreme, but does take a hit to the speculation. However the word sinister being used here may confirm suspicions that this Strange is malicious in intent.
- Strange is blocking Mordo's staff swing with his handcuffs we see earlier in the trailer. Mordo may be attempting to ambush strange.
- The sorcerer doing the cool ass flips against Gargantos is 100% Wong. My man.
- Gargantos' tentacles are green and have octopus suction cups on them. Much like the tentacle monster from What If...?.
- I have absolutely no ******* clue what the hell is going on at the end of the trailer but Strange seems to be becoming one with those black things. Considering the way Wong shouted "STRANGE!" its seemingly implied that it is the sacred timeline strange that we're seeing in the final scene, and not some variant.
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Here's the TV Spot, although somewhat low quality. I'll try to give the best analysis that I can.
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- If not already made clear in NWH, the Eye of Agamotto still clearly serves usefulness even without the time stone. What that is exactly still has yet to be confirmed. To open off the TV Spot, the first shot is Strange opening the eye to open the door to reveal the multiverse(?).
- In the scene where all the magic troops are putting up their shields and looking up, it appears that they're looking at a humanoid caped figure that's too far to identify. Likely Strange, if not a variant of him given that Strange is the only known sorcerer with a cape that can fly like that.
- America Chavez is placed right under Gargantos. : (
- Illuminati outfit Strange, seemingly holding something off, looks at Chavez and appears to be preparing to send her away.
- Christine appears to be within the Illuminati headquarters or at least in an area in which the Illuminati robots that we see escorting Strange in the trailer are invading.
- Scene of variant(?) Wanda opening a hospital (I think) door in a very creepy, zombie like fashion.
- The TV spot ends with a scene of Strange more clearly "fusing" with those black creatures we see in the trailer.
- In the scene where all the magic troops are putting up their shields and looking up, it appears that they're looking at a humanoid caped figure that's too far to identify. Likely Strange, if not a variant of him given that Strange is the only known sorcerer with a cape that can fly like that.
- America Chavez is placed right under Gargantos. : (
- Illuminati outfit Strange, seemingly holding something off, looks at Chavez and appears to be preparing to send her away.
- Christine appears to be within the Illuminati headquarters or at least in an area in which the Illuminati robots that we see escorting Strange in the trailer are invading.
- Scene of variant(?) Wanda opening a hospital (I think) door in a very creepy, zombie like fashion.
- The TV spot ends with a scene of Strange more clearly "fusing" with those black creatures we see in the trailer.
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tobey maguires finger is in your mom
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He did not just argue Spider Man to be Cull Obsidian level...
Also it kinda bothers me how he doesn't have any calcs shown, and throws around random numbers.
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It could also slightly stagger Thanos, so i imagine he could have more effect on someone like Cull Obsidian who is weaker than Thanos
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Yeah the scaling is definitely funky but it's not uncommon for off wiki scaling there are those who still think mcu top tiers like Thor and co are currently like country to planet level if not flat out universe level so it could definitely be a lot worse
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Iron Spider is clearly not that insanely higher than normal Spider Man smh
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Also keep in mind Spider-Man holds back because he doesn't want to kill anybody
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Yeah, and holding back doesn't decrease your durability
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Also scaling Lizard to Doctor Strange is dumb because did we forget that Strange is a glass cannon?
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Because of this he should be "At least Building level with magic" for upscaling from his durability
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Nah I mean strange could tank pumpkin bombs point blank so it's not too far off
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No because it's an argumen I've seen people arguing for Spider Man level characters to be Thanos level
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I mean yeah that's just blatantly wrong tho and we know that but strange scaling around lizard isn't wrong since he tanks the bombs
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it does becuz i said so
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It does because Durability scales to AP so if you hold back your AP your Durability will decrease accordingly
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Spider-Man fought Cull Obsidian without the Iron Spider suit
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that means he should be Thanos level with the suit
Thanos shrugging off his attacks is just PIS
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I don't see any gap here. All of these were clearly supposed to be comparable to each other. Except thor vs hela but he did get stomped pre awakening
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There isn't much to suggest Party Thor would be different from main timeline pre-awakening Thor, and Thor was supposed to be weakened by dark energy in the first Avengers movie which explains why he struggled to beat Loki and Iron Man. Thor did fight Hela for a bit in the throne room but I guess you can say he had Gungnir.
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Thor held back agianst Loki at the end as stated in dark world plus it wouldn’t make since for Thor to still be weakened agisnt hulk if he was only like Loki or early mk Ironman.Wasn’t Hela gradually getting more powerful thanks to asgard
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