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Ya and that’s a feat for his spear. Far enough but regardless it is and extremely power item that holds swaf over the mcu universe
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MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread
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Just in case you guys didn't see it
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GUY'S I'M BACK AS PER TRADITION TO LET YOU ALL KNOW IT'S TIME FOR WHAT IF AND THE EPISODE IS OUT NOW
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I'd like to be the first to say that opening was cool as hell and I'm loving that we've got MCU animated works now this is one hell of a time to be invested
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Okay wow Steve's Hydra Stomper is/was powered directly by the Tesseract.
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Just finished watching What If...? Episode 1. There should be two or three profiles that can come from this episode.
Feats off the top of my head:
Captain Carter should scale to main universe Captain America due to being empowered by the same super soldier serum.
The HYDRA Stomper (Steve Rogers) is powered by the Tesseract, but lacks any notable feats that would clearly indicate an ability to fully use the 6-C power that the Tesseract has on its page, so I'm not entirely sure what the best rating for it would be. The Stomper should at the very least be comparable to Captain Carter, and also easily destroyed, flipped over and took shots from tanks. It also survived an explosion that destroyed a train and part of a cliffside, as well as caused an avalanche, which looks like it could be somewhere in the Tier 8 range.
Hydra's Champion (Hive? Shuma Gorath? Something else?) easily killed Red Skull and destroyed a chunk of the HYDRA facility. Captain Carter and the HYDRA Stomper (powered by a generator instead of the Tessaract) could damage the Champion and sever it's tentacles, and the former was able to push the creature back into the Tessaract's portal.
Overall, not bad in terms of feats.
Feats off the top of my head:
Captain Carter should scale to main universe Captain America due to being empowered by the same super soldier serum.
The HYDRA Stomper (Steve Rogers) is powered by the Tesseract, but lacks any notable feats that would clearly indicate an ability to fully use the 6-C power that the Tesseract has on its page, so I'm not entirely sure what the best rating for it would be. The Stomper should at the very least be comparable to Captain Carter, and also easily destroyed, flipped over and took shots from tanks. It also survived an explosion that destroyed a train and part of a cliffside, as well as caused an avalanche, which looks like it could be somewhere in the Tier 8 range.
Hydra's Champion (Hive? Shuma Gorath? Something else?) easily killed Red Skull and destroyed a chunk of the HYDRA facility. Captain Carter and the HYDRA Stomper (powered by a generator instead of the Tessaract) could damage the Champion and sever it's tentacles, and the former was able to push the creature back into the Tessaract's portal.
Overall, not bad in terms of feats.
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So to come back to the Marvel matter and put aside the Fate stuff for now, I really hope the Champion wasn't Shuma Gorath. I mean, Shuma is a gigantic threat in the comics, greater than even Dormammu, he should be the same here. It's probably Hive though, I mean with Hydra and so on.
Aside from that, the episode was good. The animation was weird sometimes but still good and it was interesting to see Carter as Captain. Also liked the fact Steve still fights in the war even without the serum, he adapts to the circumstances.
Aside from that, the episode was good. The animation was weird sometimes but still good and it was interesting to see Carter as Captain. Also liked the fact Steve still fights in the war even without the serum, he adapts to the circumstances.
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I'm against scaling Carter to mainline Steve. Plus, that Hydra agent already bombed half the generators for the procedure and by Howards own words, it was just moments before not even being able to work at all. Just scale her to her own feats. Honestly some of them might turn out better than Steve's.
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Exactly what i thought, her feats were quite impressive and she clearly has faster reflexes.
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She could jump pretty damm high too
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Actually they seemed to be even when cam to throwing vehicles(atleast to me). But she did seem to be much more agile and seemly faster
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Yeah same remember Steve curled that helicopter's full lift power with an arm, Also that hydra stomper is definitely more impressive than the Mk1 and Mk2 of Tony's suits that explosion plus debris that the suit tanked was insane it could easily probably be city block level
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Agreed. She was more agile and faster.
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Gotta say that pacing was asbolute garbage though; this wasn't "What If...? Captain Carter Was The First Avenger" it was "What If...? We Made A 2 and A Half Hour-long Movie 30 Minutes"
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I mean that was kind of expected. The whole basis of the series is about how the MCU movies would have turned out if small details were changed and it was obvious from the start we wouldn't have a full-blown movie, only episodes. Honestly, I was expected 20 minutes-long episodes instead of 30 minutes.
Also Red Skull was stupid.
Question for the general stuff but do we know if the series will simply be a list of episodes separated from each other with their own plot or if there will be a general story for the whole series?
Also Red Skull was stupid.
Question for the general stuff but do we know if the series will simply be a list of episodes separated from each other with their own plot or if there will be a general story for the whole series?
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They'll connect in someway at some point since we see Captain Cater Teaming with Dr. Strange later on so In some way these episodes won't all be self contained stories and we'll see these universe's crossover even if it be 1 character appearing in another
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Good thing then. Hope Strange will have a large role, he's really the best character to fit the multiversial traveler-spot.
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You know thinking about it a little more the reason why carter seems a bit better the cap could be because that she is animated we’ll cap is manly in live action. But regardless she is pretty nutty
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Yep the ease of animation physics vs working with real people and physics as well as the fact that people can accept animation being more nutty than live action without it being questioned. She can simply have crazier feats on screen that won't be questioned the same
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I was kinda disappointed at the length of the episode, as I was expecting it to be at least 45mins long. Also, I'm not the biggest fan of the animation style either, but other than that I enjoyed it.
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I don't know about you guys I just felt absolutely nothing watching it... maybe it's just me.
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Damn y'all sat here looking like this
the whole time watching 
I honestly don't know what you guys were hoping for and I gave the length of the first 3 episodes earlier idk how you were expecting a 45 minute feature film with studio ufotable level animation
I personally enjoyed it quite a bit as a start to something new and I'm ready to see more out of it
the whole time watching I honestly don't know what you guys were hoping for and I gave the length of the first 3 episodes earlier idk how you were expecting a 45 minute feature film with studio ufotable level animation
I personally enjoyed it quite a bit as a start to something new and I'm ready to see more out of it
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Didn't feel nothing but it wasn't exceptional, just...cool. The animation is nice but not great either (and meh sometimes), the plot was fun and interesting but not really developped that much and the characters are sympathic but that's it. It was nice intro but I expected something more exciting. Hope we'll get more later.
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These What If folks shouldn't be getting keys, they should be getting their own profiles. We don't give profiles a key for alternate universe versions of themselves.
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Well I’m surprised cap hasn’t got a pre serum/skinny key. He would be around 10-C if there was one
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Watching the episode rn bois
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Because he doesn't even need it. He has zero feats as skinny Steve, and he was only seen pre-serum for like 5 seconds in the entire MCU.
"Lets make a key for the main character of a series in the first 3 chapters before they developed their powers."
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I agree lets dewit,
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What if...
The Avengers had a dance off Peter Quill style?
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Just finished it, really enjoyed it tbh.
Peggy, Steve and Howard where great, wish Bucky did more.
Excited to see the rest.
Peggy, Steve and Howard where great, wish Bucky did more.
Excited to see the rest.
The way they killed Skull was… shocking to say the least
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They did Red Skull dirty for sure
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Bucky kept doing a really awkward "I'm saying funny thing at every scene" thing
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I understand what you mean but at least appreciate they let the man tone down the seriousness this is really the first time he gets to play Bucky like this and he's enjoying every second of it, this isn't a winter soldier traumatized serial killer. This isn't that Bucky he still was at least a little witty in the first avenger.
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