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Mcu Captain marvel downgrade

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Suigetsuhyugs said:
No you didnt, you assume they are different and as such you can make any point about it you want.
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I literally posted a video to backup my point what are talking about?
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Only later when he talks to thanos he didnt had any amp.
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he literally went out of his way to get the stone to challenge thanos what are you referring to?
Suigetsuhyugs said:
You did on the OP your point that she has an aura on her hand that seems like she is absorbing energy when that happens anytime she uses more energy.
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I never mentioned anything about her aura in the op
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Different Thor different timeline, in MCU Loki and Thor came to earth and had an alien invasion to which Fury didnt asked for Carol but this timeline he did so its clear that their relationship is different.
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Fury was literally taken out on accident so shield had to use his pager

Suigetsuhyugs said:
My mistake i didnt remember that scene, it doesnt change nothing
First this happened well before Captain Marvel was introduced and clearly the directors wouldnt know about that past.
Second as far as we know Ronan only saw a very inexperienced Carol in the 90's not the same Carol with decades of experience.
Third not denying its not a conclusion only support at best.
Fourth he didnt deny it does that make him higher than celestials? Considering how he knew the infinity stones and the story told to us by the collector then he should know about the celestials.
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Thanos was meant to be the big bad of the mcu so it doesn’t matter. Irrelevant carol was just as strong as she is currently. When was it stated or implied that Ronan knew of the celestial’s history or power
 
The_one_you_least_expect said:
I literally posted a video to backup my point what are talking about?
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I counter all the videos they are all of the moment the characters put on the nano gaunlet, the one time "Carol supposedly absorbed" was the only time the gaunlet stayed on for so long.
The_one_you_least_expect said:
Fury was literally taken out on accident so shield had to use his pager


Thanos was meant to be the big bad of the mcu so it doesn’t matter. Irrelevant carol was just as strong as she is currently. When was it stated or implied that Ronan knew of the celestial’s history or power
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I dont think this even matters Carol will scale even higher than Thanos because of The Marvels IN BASE
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
I counter all the videos they are all of the moment the characters put on the nano gaunlet, the one time "Carol supposedly absorbed" was the only time the gaunlet stayed on for so long.
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Ok now your just balantly ignoring stuff
Suigetsuhyugs said:
I dont think this even matters Carol will scale even higher than Thanos because of The Marvels IN BASE
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No Thanos would still scale higher if this CRT goes through
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
No im not, i took all of it into account.
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No you really didn’t, banner pretty clearly had the gauntlet on while surging far longer then thanos
Suigetsuhyugs said:
She reignited a sun this would scale her at least to the amount of energy the sun produces in a second with his high 6-A
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Cool, dosen’t change what I said
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Again moments before he snap
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Balantly untrue
Suigetsuhyugs said:
It changes since you are trying to claim Thanos needs to be stronger than Captain Marvel when even Kevin Feige stated she was the strongest.
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Yes and he is, Kevin can state whatever he wants. If it an’t adding up with what’s onscreen then it doesn’t matter. Besdies this is only if we actually accept her sun feat so talking about this further is pointless
 
The_one_you_least_expect said:
Balantly untrue
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Clearly not.
The_one_you_least_expect said:
Yes and he is, Kevin can state whatever he wants. If it an’t adding up with what’s onscreen then it doesn’t matter. Besdies this is only if we actually accept her sun feat so talking about this further is pointless
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And when she reignited the sun it was also stated that it was something unlike anything she done before clearly meaning reigniting the sun is harder than beating Thanos.
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
It changes since you are trying to claim Thanos needs to be stronger than Captain Marvel when even Kevin Feige stated she was the strongest
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Same was said about Wanda. All this statements of being ''The Strongest'' holds no ground that much.
 
Yeah, I definitely agree that Captain Marvel is a lot weaker than Thanos. A tired Thanos that fought against several characters and was almost killed a bit before that was able to fight equally against a healthy Captain Marvel, I don't think there is nearly enough ground to put her above him. But I also don't think that the AP difference is one-shot worthy, so I would personally think that she should be "High 6-B (without the +), higher with absorption", but if everyone else prefer to make her scale to a new value it's fine too.
Also, don't bring up "strongest" statement. This was already discussed in the Wanda thread, and statements like this needs to be supported by what is shown on screen. In this case, there is no ground to scale Carol higher than Thanos considering how their fight went.
 
ThanatosX said:
Yeah, I definitely agree that Captain Marvel is a lot weaker than Thanos. A tired Thanos that fought against several characters and was almost killed a bit before that was able to fight equally against a healthy Captain Marvel, I don't think there is nearly enough ground to put her above him. But I also don't think that the AP difference is one-shot worthy, so I would personally think that she should be "High 6-B (without the +), higher with absorption", but if everyone else prefer to make her scale to a new value it's fine too.
Also, don't bring up "strongest" statement. This was already discussed in the Wanda thread, and statements like this needs to be supported by what is shown on screen. In this case, there is no ground to scale Carol higher than Thanos considering how their fight went.
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I definitely agree with this.
 
ThanatosX said:
Yeah, I definitely agree that Captain Marvel is a lot weaker than Thanos. A tired Thanos that fought against several characters and was almost killed a bit before that was able to fight equally against a healthy Captain Marvel, I don't think there is nearly enough ground to put her above him. But I also don't think that the AP difference is one-shot worthy, so I would personally think that she should be "High 6-B (without the +), higher with absorption", but if everyone else prefer to make her scale to a new value it's fine too.
Also, don't bring up "strongest" statement. This was already discussed in the Wanda thread, and statements like this needs to be supported by what is shown on screen. In this case, there is no ground to scale Carol higher than Thanos considering how their fight went.
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Eh, tired Thanos could still fold Thor, tony and worthy cap despite struggling with them. So honestly I think he might ragdoll her in an actual fight
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
I'm not ignoring your arguments are based on a supposition which I refuted.
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So I’m guessing you ignored what I said are just making up your own narrative
Suigetsuhyugs said:
It's important since you are trying to bring the narrative that Thanos has to be more powerful than Captain marvel which clearly isn't supported
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He is and I already showed the support. The only thing you have is a statement from a film that hasn’t even come out yet
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Then bring it.
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I already did, you just ignored it
Suigetsuhyugs said:
I already saw it, and it doesnt matter that it didnt reached USA yet it has already been released, if we had to wait until One Piece gets officially released in my country to make threads we would still be pre time skip.
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Pretty sure most of the user base are Americans but I could be wrong
 
The_one_you_least_expect said:
I already did, you just ignored it
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No you didnt, you keep bringing the same thing that is the power surge that happens at all moments when the gaunlet is put to use, I even brought up Tony's snap since his power surge only started once the stones reached his hands despite the stones being in contact with his body for much longer.
The_one_you_least_expect said:
Pretty sure most of the user base are Americans but I could be wrong
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Why would that matter? This wiki even clearly has a translation team because uses fiction from any country.
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
No you didnt, you keep bringing the same thing that is the power surge that happens at all moments when the gaunlet is put to use, I even brought up Tony's snap since his power surge only started once the stones reached his hands despite the stones being in contact with his body for much longer.
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Ya and you keep on bringing up irrelevant points or make claims with no proof backing it up. Like this, what exactly dose Tony’s suit not using the stones power until they reach his hand supposed to prove exactly? Especially when the surge dosen’t “calm down”
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Why would that matter? This wiki even clearly has a translation team because uses fiction from any country.
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Ya for scans, for films I’m pretty sure we just wait until they come out.
 
The_one_you_least_expect said:
Ya and you keep on bringing up irrelevant points or make claims with no proof backing it up. Like this, what exactly dose Tony’s suit not using the stones power until they reach his hand supposed to prove exactly? Especially when the surge dosen’t “calm down”
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All of them are relevant your only proof is literally suppositions no definitive prove, there was no statement about her absorbing the gaunlet energy no statement of the power surge not stopping.
The_one_you_least_expect said:
Ya for scans, for films I’m pretty sure we just wait until they come out.
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If i had filmed the movie and brough out scans it could still be translated
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
All of them are relevant your only proof is literally suppositions no definitive prove, there was no statement about her absorbing the gaunlet energy no statement of the power surge not stopping.
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I really like how you call everything I put down suppositions yet you’re doing the exact same thing. You claim the surge well come down on its own with no proof or implication. Carol goes from getting overpower by a crippled thanos to overpowering a tried one, there doesn’t need to be a statment for a clear use of power
Suigetsuhyugs said:
If i had filmed the movie and brough out scans it could still be translated
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Ok whatever
 
The_one_you_least_expect said:
Eh, tired Thanos could still fold Thor, tony and worthy cap despite struggling with them. So honestly I think he might ragdoll her in an actual fight
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With this I definitely agree. Even tired Thanos was able to grab her and throw her away after tanking several attacks from her with no visibile damage being done, a fully healthy Thanos easily defets her. Thought I don't think the difference in strenght between the two is a one-shot. Maybe she can take a couple of hits before she goes fully down, which would make her downscale heavily from him.
But as I said before I am neutral to where she scales exactly.

As a side note, feats performed in the new movie are irrelevant to the discussion. Regardless of where Carol scales, Thanos would scale to the same Tier considering how their fight went. So it's not important.
 
ThanatosX said:
With this I definitely agree. Even tired Thanos was able to grab her and throw her away after tanking several attacks from her with no visibile damage being done, a fully healthy Thanos easily defets her. Thought I don't think the difference in strenght between the two is a one-shot. Maybe she can take a couple of hits before she goes fully down, which would make her downscale heavily from him.
But as I said before I am neutral to where she scales exactly.
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Maybe, maybe. I guess it ultimately depends on what the mods choose
ThanatosX said:
As a side note, feats performed in the new movie are irrelevant to the discussion. Regardless of where Carol scales, Thanos would scale to the same Tier considering how their fight went. So it's not important.
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The_one_you_least_expect said:
I really like how you call everything I put down suppositions yet you’re doing the exact same thing. You claim the surge well come down on its own with no proof or implication. Carol goes from getting overpower by a crippled thanos to overpowering a tried one, there doesn’t need to be a statment for a clear use of power
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No reason for why she holding back to not destroy everything being false. And as long as there are 2 possibilities Occam raser goes to the simplest one which is she just overpowered him, and her absortion power was never clearly shown in the MCU only a variant. Also there is no reason to assume she can absorb the power of infinity stones and if so you would have to scale her to the power of all infinity stones and considering her base is at least high 6-A then the infinity stones would need to give her a boost higher than that to overpower Thanos if that was the case
The_one_you_least_expect said:
Ok whatever
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Suigetsuhyugs said:
No reason for why she holding back to not destroy everything being false. And as long as there are 2 possibilities Occam raser goes to the simplest one which is she just overpowered him, and her absortion power was never clearly shown in the MCU only a variant. Also there is no reason to assume she can absorb the power of infinity stones and if so you would have to scale her to the power of all infinity stones and considering her base is at least high 6-A then the infinity stones would need to give her a boost higher than that to overpower Thanos if that was the case
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Not really since it’s contradicted multiple times as I already proofed. Well there’s a first for everything. Nice straw man
 
The_one_you_least_expect said:
Not really since it’s contradicted multiple times as I already proofed. Well there’s a first for everything. Nice straw man
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The first time she fought thanos she was following a plan that wasnt hers, the second time she was overpowered until she used more power than she was using before.
You have no proof only guesses.
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
The first time she fought thanos she was following a plan that wasnt hers, the second time she was overpowered until she used more power than she was using before.
You have no proof only guesses.
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Yes I’m sure the averages wanted him alive. I’m not even gonna waste my words with this argument.
Whatever you want to believe bud
 
It was Starlord's plan remember? HE said Tony's plan was stupid because Tony was human and said they would follow his plan because he is only half human making him only half stupid
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
It was Starlord's plan remember? HE said Tony's plan was stupid because Tony was human and said they would follow his plan because he is only half human making him only half stupid
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If you really watched the movie then you would realize that it was Tony's plan that they were generally following.

All Tony wanted was to pin down Thanos and grab the gauntlet.
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
If you really watched the movie then you would realize that it was Tony's plan that they were generally following.

All Tony wanted was to pin down Thanos and grab the gauntlet.
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It was clearly Tony who asked Mantis to put Thanos to sleep because they are huge friends that know each other for multiple years right?
It was Starlord's plan
 
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