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The New Day icon appeared right after the moon went buh bye. The universe is larger so it could of taken a longer time frame. But again, Nintendo has retconned story elements in the past, hell, the timeline's been revised 3 seperate times.
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When did this happen?GiverOfThePeace said:Just to note, Link has brought objects out of dreams before. His Hero of Hyrule self did exactly that with a plot important item in the game. So to assume he brought it out of his dream isn't completely out of left field, regardless, I don't have the energy to argue this fully.
There's a segment where you must go to sleep in your own dream and get the ocarina from there. Link takes, it wakes up and moves along his day. How is it a false equivalency? The notion of that falls under me calling them equivalent, what I'm saying is that Link pulling items outside of a dream isn't something new from the series so that doesn't auto mitigate Majora creating termina.Warren Valion said:When did this happen?
Are you talking about the Wind Fish? If so, then that is a false equivalency.
The Termina that we know, the one we play in the game MM, according to the HE is stated to be a world wapred or created by Majora using the memories of the Skull Kid.TriforcePower1 said:@Warren
Termina isn't a dream world, it's a fully existing Parallel Universe, just modeled after Skull Kid's desires. It's never stated to be a "Dream World", so Link bringing with him objects from Termina doesn't contradict it being a different universe. Think of it as something similar to ALTTP's Dark World, which is created using Ganon's desires and that disappears once Ganon is defeated.
Because we take the source material (the games) as the highest form of canonicity.GiverOfThePeace said:Also Nintendo has been shown in the past to completely retcon stuff. I don't know why we're simply not assuming the same here.
I don't know how to quantify the logistics of going to sleep in a dream, so I can't really comment there.GiverOfThePeace said:There's a segment where you must go to sleep in your own dream and get the ocarina from there. Link takes, it wakes up and moves along his day. How is it a false equivalency? The notion of that falls under me calling them equivalent, what I'm saying is that Link pulling items outside of a dream isn't something new from the series so that doesn't auto mitigate Majora creating termina.
I said the Mirror Shield and the Hero's Bow, not the Gilded Sword.Neon Battle Bind said:Well the Kokiri Sword/Gilded Sword was brought from Hyrule into Termina so that's why it is still with Link.
Majora, according to HE, "altered the world" into the Termina we know from MM, and based its alteration from the Skull Kid's memories.Neon Battle Bind said:Also the quote is referring to the world not everything and all items with in said world
That's not what i was implying at all but whatevs.Warren Valion said:Majora, according to HE, "altered the world" into the Termina we know from MM, and based its alteration from the Skull Kid's memories.Neon Battle Bind said:Also the quote is referring to the world not everything and all items with in said world
So all the people, items, enemies, et cetera come from the world that Majora created.
Arguing that everything in Termina is real and would still exist after Majora dies and still believing that Majora "altered the world' is "having your cake and eating it too".
Either Majora altered the world with Skull Kid's memories, or he didn't. You can't have both.
I agree with the upgradesNeon Battle Bind said:Konaguna where do you stand?
All of Majora's magic was erased when it died - any items found in Termina should be included in that because according to the HE, Termina was completely altered or created by said Majora.Neon Battle Bind said:That's not what i was implying at all but whatevs.
I was saying that Link had those items when he left Termina the alternate Universe that was being destroyed and entered Hyrule so it's just as easy to say that Link and his items left Termina's destruction before Termina's destruction along with Skull Kid as well.
Add to it the fact that you have several Canon statements saying that Majora created Termina and it being claimed as a parallel universe(along with the fact that in the same quote it states Majora affected everything in the parallel Universe which no has addressed yet).Link being able to take items from fabricated areas before.Along with the fact that Link very well has left Termina with his items before it's destruction really points to a weak albeit clever counter.
Also, this is disengenious.Neon Battle Bind said:Support:6(Me,Giver,Triforce,Dark,Dark Dragon,Smashor)
Against:3(Warren,Shadow,Matthew)
Konaguna where do you stand?
The quote was what I debated in the previous thread extensively.Neon Battle Bind said:Yeah,looking it over Warren you make a good point about Majora creating Termina but I still think an upgrade is in order due to the 2nd quote in the OP as you stated you agreed that Termina is a parallel universe.
Please,for now lets forget about Majora creating everything and please adress the 2nd quote as it straight up says Majora affected everything in the parallel universe which is a straight up 3-A feat.