Marvel "What if...?" and Infinity Stones revision

[Dalesean027]

I get that, but Stormbreaker still countered a Low 2-C attack, since no matter what percentage was used, it would still be Low 2-C.

Okay 1. I'm glad we're on the same page that Stormbreaker specifically counters the gauntlet
2. Remember the gauntlet isn't always dishing out low 2-C blast Thor isn't receiving a low 2-C attack from Thanos that much is obvious if Thanos could dish out low 2-C attacks like that he'd die right then and there he can't physically handle the full power of the stones. Ultron was able to use the stones in a different manner because he amped himself and made a new body with the reality stone which allowed him do big attacks without any repercussions .
We know when Thanos even just atomized the stones using the stones full power almost killed him if he used the stones to do something similar like firing a low 2-C blast he'd likely just drop dead

Snapping to wipe out half of life vs snapping to atomize the universe and rebuild it or to destroy the stones are on completely different levels even as we saw by the damage he took so if he could just do a low 2-C blast like that then there'd be no way he took far less damage from a lesser feat like snapping to wiping out half of life

 

[KLOL506]

Actually, speaking of me missing stuff, weren't the 8-C folks meant to be downgraded? Did that get rejected somehow? Don't count this as an opposition to the thread itself I just thought I might as well ask

IIRC they were supposed to get downgraded to 9-A via going back to the feat of Cap throwing Ultron into a reinforced concrete pillar.

 

[KLOL506]

Okay 1. I'm glad we're on the same page that Stormbreaker specifically counters the gauntlet
2. Remember the gauntlet isn't always dishing out low 2-C blast Thor isn't receiving a low 2-C attack from Thanos that much is obvious if Thanos could dish out low 2-C attacks like that he'd die right then and there he can't physically handle the full power of the stones. Ultron was able to use the stones in a different manner because he amped himself and made a new body with the reality stone which allowed him do big attacks without any repercussions .
We know when Thanos even just atomized the stones using the stones full power almost killed him if he used the stones to do something similar like firing a low 2-C blast he'd likely just drop dead

Oh dear, I knew this was gonna happen.

Low 2-C Stormbreaker lesssssssssssgoooooooooooooo

 

[KLOL506]

Think it was an Ultron Sentry Calc

Nah, that didn't even come close to 8-C, it's just another 9-A supporting feat for Cap and co.

 

[KLOL506]

This

For the record, this is Emirp's fault for turning Iron Man into 8-A, if he didn't do it my kawaii waifu 8-C CAP would still remain QwQ

 

[Dalesean027]

Nah, that didn't even come close to 8-C, it's just another 9-A supporting feat for Cap and co.

Yeah lol I was completely wrong there

 

[KLOL506]

BTW, I could've sworn there was a normal fragmentation calc for the Ultron Sentries. Any idea where that is?

EDIT: FOUND IT.

 

[Dalesean027]

BTW, I could've sworn there was a normal fragmentation calc for the Ultron Sentries. Any idea where that is?

Nah we'd probably have to check back on old threads to look for it

 

[KLOL506]

Nah we'd probably have to check back on old threads to look for it

No need LOL, I already found and linked it.

 

[RanaProGamer]

2. Remember the gauntlet isn't always dishing out low 2-C blast Thor isn't receiving a low 2-C attack from Thanos that much is obvious if Thanos could dish out low 2-C attacks like that he'd die right then and there he can't physically handle the full power of the stones. Ultron was able to use the stones in a different manner because he amped himself and made a new body with the reality stone which allowed him do big attacks without any repercussions .
We know when Thanos even just atomized the stones using the stones full power almost killed him if he used the stones to do something similar like firing a low 2-C blast he'd likely just drop dead

Snapping to wipe out half of life vs snapping to atomize the universe and rebuild it or to destroy the stones are on completely different levels even as we saw by the damage he took so if he could just do a low 2-C blast like that then there'd be no way he took far less damage from a lesser feat like snapping to wiping out half of life

I see, so wouldn't Stormbreaker get "far higher" as opposed to just higher?

 

[Dalesean027]

No need LOL, I already found and linked it.

Nice lol

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

For the record, this is Emirp's fault for turning Iron Man into 8-A, if he didn't do it my kawaii waifu 8-C CAP would still remain QwQ

Cap would've been High 8-C actually :3

Also =p

 

[Dalesean027]

I see, so wouldn't Stormbreaker get "far higher" as opposed to just higher?

That'd probably work and considering we're getting the "Strongest Thor" in Thor 4 according to WoG it could potentially have some even higher feats than the current island level rating it has rn so far higher would prep it for that

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Btw, has anyone evaluated that Ultron Sentry truck explosion calc?

 

[Dalesean027]

Btw, has anyone evaluated that Ultron Sentry truck explosion calc?

I don't think I ever saw this calc??

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I don't think I ever saw this calc??

Lemme find it. It's 9-A+ to 8-C

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I don't think I ever saw this calc??

It's this one I sent on the General Discussion Thread

Ultron Sentries Survive An Explosion

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Dalesean027]

Lemme find it. It's 9-A+ to 8-C

Okay thanks

 

[Dalesean027]

It's this one I sent on the General Discussion Thread

Ultron Sentries Survive An Explosion

vsbattles.fandom.com

Quick work lel I didn't even get to see it before I said thanks

 

[KLOL506]

It's this one I sent on the General Discussion Thread

Ultron Sentries Survive An Explosion

vsbattles.fandom.com

I'd say fuel calcs are sorta wonky because deflagration.

BUT

That fuel explosion clearly showed overpressure, it sent the Ultron Sentries hurling.

That being said, just use the normal ground-based explosion formula.

 

[RanaProGamer]

That'd probably work and considering we're getting the "Strongest Thor" in Thor 4 according to WoG it could potentially have some even higher feats than the current island level rating it has rn so far higher would prep it for that

Aight, aside from that, everything looks good.

 

[chosen]

Nah, that didn't even come close to 8-C, it's just another 9-A supporting feat for Cap and co.

How about try to calc War Machine Explosions which outsider survive?
That might be 8c

 

[Antvasima]

@LordGriffin1000 @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @Starter_Pack @Sir_Ovens @The_Impress @GyroNutz

What do you think about this?

 

[Armorchompy]

How about try to calc War Machine Explosions which outsider survive?
That might be 8c

I don't think they survive those lol

Plus it's several small explosions so I actually doubt it'd get too high

 

[KLOL506]

I don't think they survive those lol

Plus it's several small explosions so I actually doubt it'd get too high

Maybe figure out the size of the first explosion that goes off via scaling to the river width which you could possibly find out using Cap/T'Challa's height when they jump over it?

Doubt it'd wield anything interesting tho, it seemed pretty small.

 

[KLOL506]

Maybe figure out the size of the first explosion that goes off via scaling to the river width which you could possibly find out using Cap/T'Challa's height when they jump over it?

Doubt it'd wield anything interesting tho, it seemed pretty small.

Yep, as I expected, this feat is pure garbage. Even one explosion barely wields 1.5712x that of what Black Widow and Hawkeye currently scale to (Ultron Sentries busting up concrete roads, which is 3.066 megajoules)

I did some rough work with some pixel-scaling and stuff.

 

[chosen]

(Ultron Sentries busting up concrete roads, which is 3.066 megajoules)

I thought they were currently scaling to chitauri destroying cars and the bw movie feats

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

What is being discussed atm

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Don't know what the discussion is now but the OP is solid.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

What is being discussed atm

They're discussing about possible replacement ratings for those who scale to Cap. What are your thoughts on the OP?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

What is being discussed atm

Scaling for Cap and similar people

 

[Armorchompy]

That's not relevant to the CRT admittedly, we should probably focus on OP

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That's not relevant to the CRT admittedly, we should probably focus on OP

Yeah we got off topic here. While we do have lots of approval from staff and members, should we wait and let the CRT open further so others can still give their opnion?

 

[KLOL506]

What is being discussed atm

Low 2-C Ultron, Low 2-C Watcher, Low 2-C Magic-amped Strange Supreme, 3-A Suicide Snap Thanos and Possibly Low 2-C powers with Stormbreaker (6-C physical amp).

 

[Armorchompy]

wait hold on i missed tier 2 stormbreaker wtf

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Low 2-C Stormb-

Excuse me, what? No. Absolutely not. There is literally one feat of Stormbreaker matching the Infinity Gauntlet in power and that was against a Thanos who just got the full gauntlet mere seconds prior.

There's no reason to assume Thanos then would be comparable to Ultron who had far more time and mastery over the stones.

Even if it were valid, it's massive outlier.

 

[chosen]

Didn't thanos armor briefly took an hit from Stormbreaker? Iirc it did

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

The conclusion we reached for Stormbreaker's AP was a "far higher", not Low 2-C

 

[ThanatosX]

I personally don't agree with Low 2-C for the Stormbreaker. The only thing that might be applicable is, as Enryu said, "possibly far higher". The rest would be a massive outlier.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Wait, why is Stormbreaker suddenly mentionned out of nowhere?