Marvel Cosmology Downgrade

[Antvasima]

Well, we need to outline some sort of much more specific plan for doing so in that case.

 

[Excellence616]

Well, we need to outline some sort of much more specific plan for doing so in that case.

Like a CRT?

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, but preparations beforehand via a private discussion or somesuch would likely be for the best.

 

[LuciferX]

There is also a scan saying universes are dreams inside a bigger dreams in an infinite hierarchy.

within atoms.

 

[LuciferX]

Yes, it's blatantly stated lesser worlds are seen as shadows to greater one's that's R-F difference and not about alternate universes, people who exists in greater dimensions are higher dimensional since their dimension sees lower worlds as shadows.

I believe this message by Antvasima means infinite directions = High-1B (in a weird way).

It says the greater reality extend towards infinite directions, I don't know how does that prove High 1-B? nothing even implies it?

 

[LuciferX]

What of places like the Gutter space, The Superflow, The Overspace, The Underspace, The Below Realm, The House Of Ideas, Exo-Space and The Paradox Space

How do you know he is refering to those? He didn't say anything further about it.

 

[Robo432343]

It says the greater reality extend towards infinite directions, I don't know how does that prove High 1-B? nothing even implies it?

Dude…. The higher realities see the lower realities as shadows and extends outward in infinite directions, i.e. Higher infinities

 

[LuciferX]

Dude…. The higher realities see the lower realities as shadows and extends outward in infinite directions, i.e. Higher infinities

It's not r>f. It would qualify as a transcendence.

 

[Robo432343]

It's not r>f. It would qualify as a transcendence.

Bruh moment

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

No.. you proved that transfinite is below absolute infinity which has nothing to do with high hyper. Also I found that 'debunk' on quora btw

Seem it's just his demon king daimo thread then. Shouldn't this thread be closed then.

 

[Vasco]

within atoms.

Proof it meant within atoms.

It says the greater reality extend towards infinite directions, I don't know how does that prove High 1-B? nothing even implies it?

Did you calmly read that scan? And infinite directions is High-1B.

It's not r>f. It would qualify as a transcendence.

What you on bro

Seem it's just his demon king daimo thread then. Shouldn't this thread be closed then.

I'm in support of that.

 

[Excellence616]

How do you know he is refering to those? He didn't say anything further about it.

because all those are part of marvel cosmology and may entities scale above it

 

[PrinceStories]

It's not r>f. It would qualify as a transcendence.

you are wrong, Higher Reality see the lower Reality As a shadow it already fulfills the R>F Requirements because the shadow is only considered Unreal

 

[Antvasima]

Dude…. The higher realities see the lower realities as shadows and extends outward in infinite directions, i.e. Higher infinities

Can you provide scans with evidence please?

 

[Vasco]

Dude…. The higher realities see the lower realities as shadows and extends outward in infinite directions, i.e. Higher infinities

Can you provide scans with evidence please?

this?

Doctor Strange, Sorcerer Supreme Vol 1 #87

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for reminding me. That seems to make sense.

 

[Im_Jason_Voorhees]

That's from Secret Wars II, It was retconed. Beyonder wasn't that powerful in even SW I, just limited to II and whole event was retconed.

He wasn't fully retconed.

 

[Comicgyal]

Wait, why are characters getting downgraded from 1-A?

 

[Ovy7]

Sorry, but I don't see how that scan proves High 1B, at most to me would be Low 1C assuming the base reality is our own, as it mentions only 1 greater reality, not multiple.

At the same time I don't understand where the infinite directions = infinite dimensions idea comes from, and not "infinite directions" just simply meaning that the reality is infinitely big (an infinite 3D space would have infinite directions). Is there proof that by "directions" the character or author actually means higher dimensions? For this reason stuff like "infinite directions" or "infinite coordonates" being used to prove High 1B had always irked me the wrong way.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the 1986 Secret Wars II instance of this happening with The Beyonder explicitly mentioned that he reduced himself from having infinite directions to only three of them.

Anyway, I would greatly appreciate help from yourself and others with figuring out much more appropriate tiering for Marvel Clmics' overall cosmology.

 

[Deleted member 2530]

DeMatteis rarely, if ever, means some higher spatial dimensions with his talk of reality. He means metaphysical planes beyond the mere physical universe as we see when he takes Wong beyond mere "gross substance" to higher perceptions, which isn't R>F.

 

[Ovy7]

Well, the 1986 Secret Wars II instance of this happening with The Beyonder explicitly mentioned that he reduced himself from having infinite directions to only three of them.

Isn't Beyonder being High 1B/Low 1A also contested? From the scans I've seen in this thread, and the ones I've came across in the past, those dimensions seems to be more like alternative dimensions (different universes) than higher dimensions. Tho maybe I'm missing some other scans. . .

Anyway, I would greatly appreciate help from yourself and others with figuring out much more appropriate tiering for Marvel Clmics' overall cosmology.

Well, I'm not a comic book reader (I've only read 1 single Marvel comic in my life - Marvel: The End), so I can't help with scans, context, and all that stuff, but I guess I could try and help with the tiers part.

 

[Deleted member 2530]

Isn't Beyonder being High 1B/Low 1A also contested? From the scans I've seen in this thread, and the ones I've came across in the past, those dimensions seems to be more like alternative dimensions (different universes) than higher dimensions. Tho maybe I'm missing some other scans. . .

The dimensions in the Marvel Universe, during that series I will say, they were all adjacent dimensions. But the Beyonder talks about his dimensions spatially- becoming 3D- so I think its reasonable assumptions that the Beyond has higher spatial dimensions.

 

[Antvasima]

Isn't Beyonder being High 1B/Low 1A also contested? From the scans I've seen in this thread, and the ones I've came across in the past, those dimensions seems to be more like alternative dimensions (different universes) than higher dimensions. Tho maybe I'm missing some other scans. . .

Yes. See here please:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0rtjHbZTdq8/Vx7PrLHnloI/AAAAAAAAPyE/IPsdLlDoEtQ-qQHBgaqpIIj2uLW-oDxAgCCo/s0/RCO003.jpg

Well, I'm not a comic book reader (I've only read 1 single Marvel comic in my life - Marvel: The End), so I can't help with scans, context, and all that stuff, but I guess I could try and help with the tiers part.

Thank you. That would be very appreciated.

 

[Vasco]

Sorry, but I don't see how that scan proves High 1B, at most to me would be Low 1C assuming the base reality is our own, as it mentions only 1 greater reality, not multiple.

At the same time I don't understand where the infinite directions = infinite dimensions idea comes from, and not "infinite directions" just simply meaning that the reality is infinitely big (an infinite 3D space would have infinite directions). Is there proof that by "directions" the character or author actually means higher dimensions? For this reason stuff like "infinite directions" or "infinite coordonates" being used to prove High 1B had always irked me the wrong way.

I was also doubtful on this but since Ant already gave a hint infinite directions could be High-1B, I couldn't argue as his older here and should obviously know more since his the manager or I perhaps misunderstood him.

Well, the 1986 Secret Wars II instance of this happening with The Beyonder explicitly mentioned that he reduced himself from having infinite directions to only three of them.

Anyway, I would greatly appreciate help from yourself and others with figuring out much more appropriate tiering for Marvel Clmics' overall cosmology.

I keep interpreting his High-1B self to only be applicable when his in the beyond Realm and that's possibly he never showed he was higher infinites greater than the Avengers,fantastic four and the rest especially molecule man who would be highest 2-A then.

Isn't Beyonder being High 1B/Low 1A also contested? From the scans I've seen in this thread, and the ones I've came across in the past, those dimensions seems to be more like alternative dimensions (different universes) than higher dimensions. Tho maybe I'm missing some other scans. . .



Well, I'm not a comic book reader (I've only read 1 single Marvel comic in my life - Marvel: The End), so I can't help with scans, context, and all that stuff, but I guess I could try and help with the tiers part.

Beyonder should be High-1B not Low 1-A.

Yes. See here please:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0rtjHbZTdq8/Vx7PrLHnloI/AAAAAAAAPyE/IPsdLlDoEtQ-qQHBgaqpIIj2uLW-oDxAgCCo/s0/RCO003.jpg

Secret wars II #1 right?

 

[Antvasima]

As far as I recall, yes.

 

[LuciferX]

Sorry, but I don't see how that scan proves High 1B, at most to me would be Low 1C assuming the base reality is our own, as it mentions only 1 greater reality, not multiple.

Correct.

At the same time I don't understand where the infinite directions = infinite dimensions idea comes from, and not "infinite directions" just simply meaning that the reality is infinitely big (an infinite 3D space would have infinite directions). Is there proof that by "directions" the character or author actually means higher dimensions? For this reason stuff like "infinite directions" or "infinite coordonates" being used to prove High 1B had always irked me the wrong way.

Exactly.

 

[LuciferX]

because all those are part of marvel cosmology and may entities scale above it

I know they are part of marvel cosmology, but how do you know that its referring to those realms? cuz I said so?

 

[Deleted member 2530]

He is not referring to ideas created a decade later. DeMatteis doesn't have clairvoyance. Don't be ridiculous.

 

[Antvasima]

He is not referring to ideas created a decade later. DeMatteis doesn't have clairvoyance. Don't be ridiculous.

What are you referring to more specifically?

 

[Deleted member 2530]

What are you reffering to more specifically?

That the "Greater Reality" Strange talks about is referring to House of Ideas or Superflow or anything else. The issue came out in the 90s. Its really too much of a stretch to claim so.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, strongly agreed.

 

[Excellence616]

I know they are part of marvel cosmology, but how do you know that its referring to those realms? cuz I said so?

because some of the characters that will be downgrade scale to those or above those realms.

 

[LuciferX]

Yes, strongly agreed.

What do you think about Marvel Cosmology then? 1-B seems legit.

 

[Vasco]

@Alonik Your help here would be needed, seems all High-1B scan are rejected or debunked, you're very knowledgeable on cosmology structure of marvel....so if you can bring new info that's okay and straightforward, would be appreciated.

 

[Robo432343]

What happened to the dr strange transfinite scan

 

[Gasper]

What happened to the dr strange transfinite scan

Marvel writers don't understand what transfinite means. In the cubic scan they debunk themselves.

 

[Robo432343]

Marvel writers don't understand what transfinite means. In the cubic scan they debunk themselves

Nah who cares abt the writer, if It’s in the scan then we should use it. You are right abt the kubic scan tho

 

[Gasper]

Nah who cares abt the writer, if It’s in the scan then we should use it. You are right abt the kubic scan tho

That cubic scan reflects what's said in doctor strange scan.

 

[Robo432343]

Damn, marvel seems to be in trouble here