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Marvel Cosmology Downgrade
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Yes, I think so as well.
Would you and @Qawsedf234 be willing to help out with fixing the problem please?
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This isn't proof of High-1B but I do know marvel has a High-1B multiverse and beyond that(up to 1-A).
This is true but marvel does have a High-1B cosmology with higher one seeing lower one as fiction/dreams, I've forgotten the book but it was blatantly stated.
Actually No, I reread secret wars II and it was kinda talking about 2-A infinite dimensions.
The crossroads scan is High-1B, how?
Agreed
Is the split by Eras or Authors?
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Are you certain? The Beyonder was explicitly stated to be infinite-dimensional in anycase.
I do not remember well, but I do recall Kepekley23 talking about a nexus from Fantastic Four that helped to prove infinite dimensions.
By era. There was an absolutely enormous shift in both storytelling tone and cosmology after Quesada took over.
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Yeah the 2 times he mentioned infinite dimensions in secret wars II were about 2-A dimensions, dimensions and universes were used interchangeably and he wasn't talking about higher dimensions, nothing makes it sound he meant higher dimensions. I wasn't talking about the infinite-dimensional beyonder statement though he should be probably but that entire story was inconsistent on how a H-1B character should be especially as marvel characters then even entities were impressed by galaxy level destruction done by the beyonder. Plus, no proof of qualitative superiority and all that R-F difference shit was shown when he was in the multiverse with all his journeys and all that to understand human and life but I can see his beyond self in the realm of beyond to be H-1B but not his in-multiverse self nothing H-1B except statement of him being called infinite-dimensional. The only thing I can see which isn't useless as proof for qualitative superiority or higher infinite was when doom called galactus an ant compared to him. Besides why is he Low 1-A if he is infinite-dimensional, shouldn't he be H-1B?
Okay cause that particular scan alone dosen't prove High-1B alone.
Okay, always thought it's by Author.
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For Marvel it seems more appropriate with editorial direction instead, as it won't turn coherent enough to tier otherwise.
Anyway, The Beyond-Realm was explicitly stated to have infinite directions, and the Beyonder evaluated the Marvel multiverse to be infinite-dimensional in a Hulk issue taking place during Secret Wars II.
Anyway, The Beyond-Realm was explicitly stated to have infinite directions, and the Beyonder evaluated the Marvel multiverse to be infinite-dimensional in a Hulk issue taking place during Secret Wars II.
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Yeah might be H-1B but still 2-A to me, simply saying multi-layered ain't enough without proof of qualitative superiority that these myriad of dimensions transend themselves especially the context showed some realms in the multiverse in question he might just be implying the 2-A type of dimensions than H-1B.
Makes sense.
I don't remember it stated to have infinite directions cause that would be okay,.
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In this context, dimensions means universes:
- "A rather odd thing he had noticed abut our our universe -- It is many-layered -- composed of a seemingly endless number of dimensions. Indeed, it is a multiverse -- -- Beckoning him to explore." and then he goes to places that don't have each different dimensions to each other in the way we use them;
- He evaluates the universe to be have "endless" "dimensions", not the multiverse. What this dimensions are are realities outside the universe, as proven because he goes to them & we know they're outside the universe, boom, that's evidence that he didn't mean the multiverse is infinite-dimensional.
- Also again the Crossroad, the place where Hulk is and Beyonder ends up, is a place that leads to infinite universes. Which are called dimensions but are proven to be universes. This further shows how they don't use the word "dimension" in the way we care about.
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I agree that this particular issue seemed to talk about "dimensions" as universes, yes.
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I think that we link to it in our Pre-Retcon Beyonder's page, but I agree that it might just be High 1-B, yes. We have likely given Marvel Comics too high statistics.
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Here they were talking about the power of Celestials which is transfinite.
Transfinite is a term used to describe various sizes of infinity, countable, non-countable, etc., usually described by alephs. Infinity is a more general term about quantities that are not finite. It’s not above infinity.
Transfinite just means denoting a number corresponding to an infinite set in the way that a natural number denotes or counts members of a finite site.
Transfinite isn’t above infinity instead transfinite is beyond or surpassing the finite but below absolute infinity.
Same applies here.
Literary from same issue, says Multiverse is just 3D which Dr.strange talked about.
So, stops at Hyperversal. Are there any other scans remian there to debunk? Even if we split cosmologies, still Marvel didn't scale to High 1-B.
Then Marvel should downgrade to Multi+ if there is no proof for r>f transcendence in Marvel? right?
It only apply to unis within atoms which exist in a lower scale than man's universe.
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bro does this also mean marvel wont be low 1-A or something
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I don't think it was but I will check.
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Ok what about these
The Beyonder began to explore the 616 and realized that the universe had many layers, composed of an infinite number of dimensions, forming a multiverse within the universe. He then begins to traverse the meta-physical planes of reality until he reaches the nexus of realities, the Crossroad
The Beyonder began to explore the 616 and realized that the universe had many layers, composed of an infinite number of dimensions, forming a multiverse within the universe. He then begins to traverse the meta-physical planes of reality until he reaches the nexus of realities, the Crossroad
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Would it be High 1-B still?
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Damn
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There are more than one higher plane, the planes are higher than the lower ones, as the Watchers talk about the existence of planes of existence even higher than theirs, such as those of the Celestials.
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bruh
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u have to right click on it and click open image in new tab
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ik its empty
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there is just so much high 1-b marvel stuff that hasn't been covered it
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