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Yes, I think so as well.Everything in the OP is correct, I remember that I too disagreed with part of it years ago but never had to time to deal with it.
This isn't proof of High-1B but I do know marvel has a High-1B multiverse and beyond that(up to 1-A).You do realize non of those are actually justifications for high 1-B, right? But This. This scan didn't get "debunked" either.
This is true but marvel does have a High-1B cosmology with higher one seeing lower one as fiction/dreams, I've forgotten the book but it was blatantly stated.Being creator of Omniverse doesn't make Outerversal. Obvilion's realm stated as a realm of no time and nor place just like the way sphere of gods defined which isn't enough evidence to prove it exist beyond all dimensions.
Actually No, I reread secret wars II and it was kinda talking about 2-A infinite dimensions.the only actual statement in there, is comes from Secret Wars II which was sadly retconed.
The crossroads scan is High-1B, how?possibly the Crossroads to Everywhere, instead.
AgreedMarvel used Transfinite term in wrong ways it's not beyond infinity and Transfinite numbers are below Absolute Infinity, caps at Hyperversal.
Crossroads scan is easily debunkable though.
Is the split by Eras or Authors?Well, I wouldn't mind splitting it into Pre-Quesada and Post-Quesada cosmologies, with Reed Richards recreating the Marvel Multiverse as a split.
Are you certain? The Beyonder was explicitly stated to be infinite-dimensional in anycase.Actually No, I reread secret wars II and it was kinda talking about 2-A infinite dimensions.
I do not remember well, but I do recall Kepekley23 talking about a nexus from Fantastic Four that helped to prove infinite dimensions.The crossroads scan is High-1B, how?
By era. There was an absolutely enormous shift in both storytelling tone and cosmology after Quesada took over.Is the split by Eras or Authors?
Yeah the 2 times he mentioned infinite dimensions in secret wars II were about 2-A dimensions, dimensions and universes were used interchangeably and he wasn't talking about higher dimensions, nothing makes it sound he meant higher dimensions. I wasn't talking about the infinite-dimensional beyonder statement though he should be probably but that entire story was inconsistent on how a H-1B character should be especially as marvel characters then even entities were impressed by galaxy level destruction done by the beyonder. Plus, no proof of qualitative superiority and all that R-F difference shit was shown when he was in the multiverse with all his journeys and all that to understand human and life but I can see his beyond self in the realm of beyond to be H-1B but not his in-multiverse self nothing H-1B except statement of him being called infinite-dimensional. The only thing I can see which isn't useless as proof for qualitative superiority or higher infinite was when doom called galactus an ant compared to him. Besides why is he Low 1-A if he is infinite-dimensional, shouldn't he be H-1B?Are you certain? The Beyonder was explicitly stated to be infinite-dimensional in anycase.
Okay cause that particular scan alone dosen't prove High-1B alone.I do not remember well, but I do recall Kepekley23 talking about a nexus from Fantastic Four that helped to prove infinite dimensions.
Okay, always thought it's by Author.By era. There was an absolutely enormous shift in both storytelling tone and cosmology after Quesada took over.
Incredible Hulk Vol 1 #312For Marvel it seems more appropriate with editorial direction instead, as it won't turn coherent enough to tier otherwise.
Anyway, The Beyond-Realm was explicitly stated to have infinite directions, and the Beyonder evaluated the Marvel multiverse to be infinite-dimensional in a Hulk issue taking place during Secret Wars II.
Yeah might be H-1B but still 2-A to me, simply saying multi-layered ain't enough without proof of qualitative superiority that these myriad of dimensions transend themselves especially the context showed some realms in the multiverse in question he might just be implying the 2-A type of dimensions than H-1B.
Makes sense.For Marvel it seems more appropriate with editorial direction instead, as it won't turn coherent enough to tier otherwise.
Anyway, The Beyond-Realm was explicitly stated to have infinite directions, and the Beyonder evaluated the Marvel multiverse to be infinite-dimensional in a Hulk issue taking place during Secret Wars II.
and the Beyonder evaluated the Marvel multiverse to be infinite-dimensional in a Hulk issue taking place during Secret Wars II.
In this context, dimensions means universes:
I agree that this particular issue seemed to talk about "dimensions" as universes, yes.
I think that we link to it in our Pre-Retcon Beyonder's page, but I agree that it might just be High 1-B, yes. We have likely given Marvel Comics too high statistics.Makes sense.
I don't remember it stated to have infinite directions cause that would be okay,.
Here they were talking about the power of Celestials which is transfinite.Please explain what you mean.
Then Marvel should downgrade to Multi+ if there is no proof for r>f transcendence in Marvel? right?Well, higher dimensions just need to be qualitatively superior to qualify according to our system.
It only apply to unis within atoms which exist in a lower scale than man's universe.This is true but marvel does have a High-1B cosmology with higher one seeing lower one as fiction/dreams, I've forgotten the book but it was blatantly stated.
it's about microverse.I've read 2 books it is stated higher dimensions are realer than the lower dimensions and sees the lower dimensions as dreams, though it's been long but R-F difference exists in marvel, and it wasn't referring to the atoms contains universes, anyways I will look for the scans.
I don't think it was but I will check.it's about microverse.
That's from Secret Wars II, It was retconed. Beyonder wasn't that powerful in even SW I, just limited to II and whole event was retconed.Ok what about these
The Beyonder began to explore the 616 and realized that the universe had many layers, composed of an infinite number of dimensions, forming a multiverse within the universe. He then begins to traverse the meta-physical planes of reality until he reaches the nexus of realities, the Crossroad
Would it be High 1-B still?That's from Secret Wars II, It was retconed. Beyonder wasn't that powerful in even SW I, just limited to II and whole event was retconed.
DamnThere is no consistent evidence that they are (layers/dimensions) higher infinites, so no.
There are more than one higher plane, the planes are higher than the lower ones, as the Watchers talk about the existence of planes of existence even higher than theirs, such as those of the Celestials.Watcher wasn't talking about higher layers, he is explaining about how the possibilities create alt realities and each reality gives birth to another alt inf worlds and so on.