Marvel Cosmics Upgrade (Including Sentry and Statement Analysis)

[Hykuu]

My interpretation stands, if you can't address any of the points, then by defintion you would have gotten shutdown, you can believe that "No one got shutdown but you!", Idrc, the thread speaks for itself

 

[The_Impress]

Um, guys, preferably don't use wording that can be interpreted as being hostile. The entire thread closing down because of derailment won't help anyone's case...

 

[Hykuu]

I agree, my bad.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for trying to keep this peaceful.

 

[Hykuu]

Anyways, I will summarize all the upgrades if anyone is sorta stuck on what the upgrade is meant to be here.
- Captain Britian will have a profile made, with 2 keys Base, Holding Back/No Confidence Amps = 4-B Full Power, Full Confidence = Atleast 2-A, Likely Far Higher

- Franklin Richards gets even more justification and is most likely High 1-B aswell, which is a given with captain britian scaling.

- Doctor Doom has forcefields capable of casually tanking his attacks Doctor Doom also has an extra feat for his mind hax, which is mind haxxing the Dark Phoenix.

- Sentry scales to this by negging Doom, and having some statements which imply he scales to Britian.

- He also scales due to Phoenix Scaling, some statements which put him above the likes of legion, or child franklin to an extent, withlegion threatening the fabric of the multiverse, he is also capable of beating nate grey, or atleast going one on one with him, who is consistently 2-A, Pre or Post Shaman.

- Void scales to consuming beings like galactus, odin, the watchers, etc. and was completely superior to the likes of Doom, Reed even when they had prep. He also negged Loki, who had the power of all magic on earth + strange's power, and even before he got the amp of all magic on earth he was a threat to yggdrasil and odin.

- Deathseed consistently scales above Post Retcon Beyonder, Scarlet Witch, Phoenix, Exitar, etcetera.

- Odin himself should be upgraded to 2-A if Mephisto and Galactus are, it's extremely consistent. The threads and blogs with the scans were linked in the thread.

Anycase anyone missed some of these, and said they agree without noticing but realized there is something here they disagree with, please speak up (Assuming there aren't any further disagreements by knowledgable members). Otherwise all these changes would be applied (With Sentry atleast getting a 2-A with reality warping key)

Bump.

 

[Maxnumb231]

i agree to this btw so yeah

 

[Antvasima]

I am very reluctant to slap High 1-B on quite a lot of Marvel characters, especially given the new tiering system revisions. It doesn't seem like the (extremely inconsistent) Marvel multiverse has been repeatedly treated as having infinite higher levels of reality that are each infinitely qualitatively superior to the preceding one. You could argue that there are a few of them, but not remotely an infinite number.

 

[Hykuu]

where are ya getting high 1.B from

Also that's something which is consistent and hasn't ever been contradicted during recent runs, we do have literal direct statements of infinite-dimensional cyberspace within marvel which was never even addressed in any comic

 

[Antvasima]

You mentioned it for Franklin Richards, who would scale to the Celestials, who would scale to the universal cosmic entities.

Also, infinite dimensions will no longer be enough in themselves to assign higher ratings. They must be reliably treated as qualitatively and/or infinitely superior to lower ones as well, and given Marvel's sheer inconsistency, it cannot be in a throwaway never again referenced fashion for it.

 

[Hykuu]

Likely High 1-B is a thing, btw that wasn't what I myself mentioned but that's fine.

That's nice, we already discussed in the VBW server that marvel has infinitely superior levels of infinity

 

[Antvasima]

A never again referenced mention about infinite numbers in an obscure early 1990s Doctor Strange story should not be remotely enough for such an extreme rating for something as ridiculously inconsistent as Marvel Comics. Nowadays we have a few defined higher realms such as overspace, but an infinite amount? No.

 

[Hykuu]

Does every verse which mentions infinite spatial dimension have to directly name and show these realms? since when?

 

[Antvasima]

It has to reliably treat them as infinitely superior to the lower ones, not just as coordinates.

 

[Hykuu]

Yeah, and that's a thing with marvel as established earlier

 

[Antvasima]

Beyond an obscure never again referenced Doctor Strange scan from almost 30 years ago?

 

[The_Impress]

Honestly, the Franklin revisions shouldn't be roped into these ones, as those require a thorough read-through that can only be done in a separate thread. In this scenario, the OP is already cluttered with two seemingly different and controversial revisions, we don't need two more provided to make it hectic.

Also, even if we do come up with a decision on these statistics, it'll be due to rushed judgement, and will likely not be with any merit

 

[Antvasima]

I have removed the posts.

 

[The_Impress]

Anyhow, @Hykuu, don't bother listing revisions as proposed by @2nd Existential Seed, since they're a long rabbit hole which would require an entirely different thread, and will make this essentially a 2 month long thread, that being a conservatively estimate.

It's better to at least finish the revisions as listed in the OP first before moving on

 

[The_Impress]

@Antvasima

Also, regarding the Sandman31 and PrinceOftheMorning messages, Prince is yet to reply, and Sandman31 will be checking out the thread on a later date due to them being busy with IRL stuff

 

[Antvasima]

Well, they are the experts, and all of this seems quite uncertain to me. I don't want to mess anything up.

 

[The_Impress]

Understandable. Especially given characters like Captain Britain will be further used to scale multiple characters in the future.

Is there anyone else that we can contact in the meantime, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Antvasima]

We don't have a lot of members who are truly knowledgeable about Marvel and DC Comics, and also combine it with being unbiased and rational.

Eficiente is usually good at checking through and verifying scans though. Maybe he would be willing to help? He has seemed tired recently though.

 

[The_Impress]

I'll at the very least notify him on the existence of the thread, as frankly, Hykuu's original posts on the message wall don't exactly highlight the importance of the revision in question

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.

 

[Hykuu]

the britian scaling wouldn't actually scale to nearly anyone other than a select few, its just that his power differs alot and at max confidence he should confidently stay at 2-A.

Anyways, yeah, we can leave the franklin stuff for another thread and wait for POTM and Sandman

 

[Kahndaq_Lord]

Marvel finally crawling out of the hellhole that is 4-B i guess.

 

[Antvasima]

We have previously repeatedly told you that the Fallen Stars and other DeMatteis concepts that have been ignored by every other writer, should preferably be ignored by us as well. Please stop bringing it up. Thank you.

 

[Hykuu]

I do think he can bring it up, just not this thread

 

[The_Impress]

Seed can you just drop it? The revisions mentioned in the OP will never be finished at this rate. Make your own thread if you really want to implement them, don't disrupt other's CRT.

Having a fixation is fine, but when that fixation is hurting the implementation of other changes, it's extremely unhelpful. You're doing textbook derailment here.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Alright then. To be fair I was originally asked at first to mention this exact thing in this thread by the OP so I didn't do it just on a whim.

 

[Hykuu]

Yeah, but then it just devolved into more-so arguing about if captain britian or sentry should stay at 2-A, not if the likes of man thing would be higher, I did try and make the thread a bit more generalized regarding every abstract but it devolved into this.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Fair enough. I'll help only with the current topic and maybe we can focus on the more generalized abstracts another day ? That's the much safer bet than having a smorgasbord of topics in one thread.

So I will gladly withdraw mentioning said Falen Stsrs on this thread for the time being if for the sake of progress .

 

[Antvasima]

I removed the latest derailing posts.

 

[Hykuu]

bump

 

[Maxnumb231]

bump this as well

 

[Hykuu]

Lol, anyways

Sentry should also have casuality and law manipulation, due to causing another House of M

Also Power Nullification due to an application of his Reality Warping, cus "no more mutants"

Resistance to Reality Warping, as The Void was still there even after the effects of House of M

I know this might be a bit of a stretch, but he should have resistance to basically all of modern doctor strange and loki (sorcerer supreme) hax, due to it being flat out stated they can do nothing to the void to actually kill or harm him

 

[Antvasima]

We are waiting for PrinceOfTheMorning and Sandman31. Nothing will likely happen here without their help.

You can politely ask Kepekley23 and Sera EX as well if you wish though.

 

[Hykuu]

this isn't as nearly as huge as upgrading him to 2-A, though, it's pretty minor

 

[Antvasima]

He has not been proven to be able to exactly duplicate what the Scarlet Witch did, only been speculated to possess comparable or greater amounts of raw power.

 

[Hykuu]

Its literally stated that he could have caused another house of M, or done something which made it seem like nothing, that would atleast mean he could have done the same thing, or something with the same applications, if he surpasses her in every aspect in reality warping, its safe to assume he can replicate it