Marvel Cosmics Upgrade (Including Sentry and Statement Analysis)

[Antvasima]

That is speculation. We only know that there is a claim or paranoid fear that he could have caused something similarly disastrous, not that he could suddenly perform the exact same type of feat.

 

[Hykuu]

how can you interpret "another house of M" as not something blatant?

 

[Antvasima]

It was not meant in a "he will do exactly the same thing" manner, just a "he could do something comparably disastrous".

In addition, it was fearful speculation, not proven fact.

 

[Hykuu]

Yeah, if he could so something as disastrous as erasing all mutants across the omniverse, or completely destroy the laws of reality and casuality, then why can't we assume he can do those exact things as both events are reliant on reality warping?

It's supported, and the feats suggest it isn't hyperbole

 

[The_Impress]

Well, maybe those abilities can be listed as a Possibly.

I personally hate Sentry for being such a Mary Sue it's downright annoying

 

[Hykuu]

thats why I like em

Anyways hm, that's fine, what about the resistance?

 

[Antvasima]

We will not give him extremely powerful abilities based on unproven speculation. Period. It is completely against our fundamental principles.

I don't have the time and energy to argue extensively about it, but you can consider it permanently rejected as far as I am concerned.

You should also ask Matthew, Sera, and Kepekley to comment here btw.

Also, the Sentry is severely mentally ill, and does just as much harm as good. He is definitely not a traditional Mary Sue. The most extreme real (engineered to be perfect and unblemished in every way) Mary Sue at Marvel right now is probably the Black Panther.

 

[Hykuu]

k, the resistance still stands but sure

 

[The_Impress]

I'll contact them as well.

He was introduced as one, he evolved past it in his later appearances only, but his original issues make for such an obvious insert, that it was awful, and left a significantly sour taste in my mouth. Anyways, I'd agree on the entirety of Wakanda being a group of Mary Sues ("I'm just smarter than everyone else with no feats to show for"), and even a downright racist nation, which given its namesake in the form of the real Black Panther party, is seemingly fitting. But oh well, at least it's not being pushed that hard by Marvel.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

The sad thing is that Christopher Priest's version of the Panther was one of my favourite Marvel characters, but nowadays he has to be about symbolism rather than an actual person. Oh well.

 

[Hykuu]

Bump-

 

[Hykuu]

Thump

 

[Hykuu]

By the way, upon further research

The Loki The Void Slapped was a threat to the entire multiverse

The Strange he slapped was above any other previous form of doctor strange

seems pretty 2-A to me u know

 

[The_Impress]

It's better to just wait for either Sandman, Eficiente or Prince to respond, as such there is seemingly no point in bumping this. Likely wait a week and go remind them again before bumping this once more.

 

[Hykuu]

I still think attention from other members would be noted, everyone has their own right to give their own 2 cents, For all we know someone out there has the ultimate debunk or feats lol.

I am aware it won't get ACCEPTED without them, but it still helps

 

[Tyranno223]

Just gonna point out Yahweh should also scale to 2A for being way above Uriel, whose equal to Mephisto in his own realm.

 

[Hykuu]

That would be its own CRT, not really relevant to this one. I can make the CRT for you, if you can go to my message wall and supply scans.

 

[Tyranno223]

Really? I thought 2A in general was being discussed here (you know, with Odin and Franklin being brought up as well)

 

[The_Impress]

Odin is getting his own thread and Franklin was excluded from this one. At this point we're trying to upgrade the characters as listed in the OP first

 

[Tyranno223]

Very well.

 

[Hykuu]

Odin is getting his own thread? damnn

I am the one who would be making it orrrrr

 

[Hykuu]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

We unfortunately still need input from our most trusted knowledgeable members.

 

[Hykuu]

I still think attention from other members would be noted, everyone has their own right to give their own 2 cents, For all we know someone out there has the ultimate debunk or feats lol.
I am aware it won't get ACCEPTED without them, but it still helps

^Why I am bumping

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Hykuu]

By the way, upon further research
The Loki The Void Slapped was a threat to the entire multiverse

The Strange he slapped was above any other previous form of doctor strange

seems pretty 2-A to me u know

Any thoughts on this btw?

 

[Sir_sun_man]

i actually agree with almost all of this execpt just a flat out 2A sentry

as i see it sentries power should very depending on his mental stability at the moment

and it should very from 4-B(the power of a million suns) to 2-A as fully stable sentry/void/all new sentry

as there are feats that put void alone far above the likes of skyfathers

as seen when a disimpodied/seperated from sentry void was able to take on both yggdrasil empowered stranage and sorcer supreme loki who was able to fight and beat strange with the power of yggdrasil and void was beating them easily and they only won due to sentries help

not to mention that sentry was able to take on a bunch of asgardians including the brother of odin Cul Borso who is 2-C

seen here

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5f3f-bbd...K80FWy6wcfPU4D_FcGUMd_wgwCHMYCw/s0/RCO016.jpg

 

[Maxnumb231]

the 4-B sentry is less consistent than 2-A sentry without void body.

 

[Hykuu]

@sun yeah, we are making seperate keys for unstable and stable

Cul will be upgraded to 2-A if Odin is, we have flat out statements of Mephisto and basically all the hell lords fearing him.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that a variable tier for the Sentry seems to make sense.

It is very unfortunate that PrinceOfTheMorning and Sandman31 seem to be missing at the moment.

 

[Hykuu]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure what we should do here, given that POTM and Sandman are missing.

Can you summarise what is being suggested to be changed and why in an easily understood manner, as well as which staff members that support it?

 

[Hykuu]

Anyways, I will summarize all the upgrades if anyone is sorta stuck on what the upgrade is meant to be here.
- Captain Britian will have a profile made, with 2 keys Base, Holding Back/No Confidence Amps = 4-B Full Power, Full Confidence = 2-A

- Doctor Doom has forcefields capable of casually tanking his attacks Doctor Doom also has an extra feat for his mind hax, which is mind haxxing the Dark Phoenix.

- Sentry scales to this by negging Doom, and having some statements which imply he scales to Britian.

- Unstable and Stable Sentry Keys, 2-A Only for Stable Sentry.

- Sentry slapped Yggdrasil Strange who is > Strange at his complete Peak when he was fighting the IG and had all his artifiacts activated, and Supreme Loki who was a threat to the Multiverse.

- He also scales due to Phoenix Scaling, some statements which put him above the likes of legion, or child franklin to an extent, with legion threatening the fabric of the multiverse, he is also capable of beating nate grey, or atleast going one on one with him, who is consistently 2-A, Pre or Post Shaman.

- Void scales to consuming beings like galactus, odin, the watchers, etc. and was completely superior to the likes of Doom, Reed even when they had prep. He also negged Loki, who had the power of all magic on earth + strange's power, and even before he got the amp of all magic on earth he was a threat to yggdrasil and odin.

- Deathseed consistently scales above Post Retcon Beyonder, Scarlet Witch, Phoenix, Exitar, etcetera, or is atleast Phoenix Level and scales to Stable.

- Odin himself should be upgraded to 2-A if Mephisto is, it's extremely consistent. The threads and blogs with the scans were linked in the thread, Yggdrasil should also be upgraded to 2-A

 

[Hykuu]

Staff Members,

Ultima with 2-A Stable Sentry and CB

Qaw with 2-A Reality Warping Sentry

Not that much staff input sadly

 

[The_Impress]

Aren't the last 4 points from Seed's proposed revisions?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I can also buy a variable power level for Sentry and the Void with 2-A at their peaks. It is Captain Britain, Doctor Doom, the Deathseed, and Odin that I am very uncertain about.

Odin's own feats are also strictly of a 2-C level at their maximum, and it would mess up our scaling to go beyond that.

 

[Hykuu]

@Zark

No, they were in my OP/Added later

@Antvasima Odin deserves his own thread on another note, I can make it if yall want

 

[Antvasima]

Let's wait with that. We already have several unfinished Marvel and DC Comics threads.

 

[LordTracer]

Not to derail, but just wanted to point out that most of Odin's best feats involve Yggdrasil, which has been stated to be a 2-B - 2-A structure at times.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, but I much prefer input from highly knowledgeable members before making such a drastic change.