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Instead of Dormammu Cyttorak should be there since dormammu has to invoke/pray to cyttorak to use his magic spells and bands and cyttorak is way above dormammu.
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1) Do we have any proof that the Neutral Zone truly conceptually transcends such a hierarchy, rather than just being another step above it, or that the 8th multiverse even has infinite dimensions that are each treated as higher infinities?Kepekley23 said:I. Being Low 1-A isn't exclusive to possessing uncountably infinite higher dimensions. Anything that conceptually transcends a High 1-B hierarchy is enough to be rated as such. This is outright stated in our Tiering System page.
2. I am not sure if you realize this, but your constant ramblings about the inconsistency of Marvel are extremely exasperating, both to me and everyone else in this thread. Many people have criticized you for this unrealistic approach in the past, too. We know you believe the series to be completely deprived of any concept of inconsistency, but very few people in this site agree with that notion. If we were to take it at face-value, almost no characters would even be 2-A.
3. Literally all of the scans I used in my thread are from the Post-Secret Wars/Eighth Omniverse cosmology.
Please explain/elaborate regarding what the First Firmament said, as I have forgotten. I also don't understand how it makes any sense for the 7th multiverse, which had infinite universes, to be weaker than the 8th, which has a little over a thousand according to the current Fantastic Four comicbook.Kepekley23 said:The Eighth Omniverse is undeniably much more powerful than the Seventh. The First Firmament itself states so in blatant terms..
In fact, Multiversal Eternity from the 8th Omniverse is more powerful than The Living Tribunal from the Seventh Omniverse.
"Alternatively, this tier can also be assigned to characters who transcend High 1-B structures when no further context regarding the nature or such transcendence is given."Kepekley23 said:I. Being Low 1-A isn't exclusive to possessing uncountably infinite higher dimensions. Anything that conceptually transcends a High 1-B hierarchy is enough to be rated as such. This is outright stated in our Tiering System page.
But it isn't my idea. It was stated outright that Franklin was recreating the multiverse and that he had only created a bit over a thousand universes when his powers burned out.Kepekley23 said:Irrelevant. It still disproves your idea that the multiverse somehow went from something that encompassed infinite-dimensional space to a few thousand universes. The Eighth Omniverse is an evolved version of the Seventh.
Multi-Eternity transcends them, yes, agreed, but Al Ewing stopped calling the Marvel multiverse an omniverse after I and others explained to him what the term really means.Kepekley23 said:Also, Eternity does indeed conceptually transcend all realms inside it, even its very own abstract forces. In fact, the First Firmament nearly deceived Eternity into accidentally destroying the Superflow, which would have erased all Conceptual Entities from the Omniverse, and Eternity itself wouldn't have even noticed their disappearance at first.
ParadoxIndifferent said:The Eighth Omniverse's Eternity being Low 1-A is a lowball at best. It has several 1-A descriptions in the most recent comics. Aside from the feat you yourself mentioned of the destruction of the Superflow - the dreamspace which literally housed the highest possible level of all concepts in the multiverse - having no noticeable effect on a weakened Eternity, the Far Shore is a 1-A realm completely beyond the very concepts of space and time and it's located inside the Multiversal Eternity's self.
And before anyone gives me ol' tired "Eternity is a construct of space and time" stuff:
What most recent comics?
Well, I just don't get why this should remotely qualify for being an infinity^an uncountable infinity number of times greater than all of reality underneath it. I thought that our new standards would be much stricter regarding that sort of thing.Kepekley23 said:The Superflow is outright stated to be the highest level of reality ever attainable by Galactus, and the plane where reality and dreams intersect and the conceptual form of the Abstracts resides in. This obviously makes it completely transcendental in comparison to Deep Space, which contains High 1-B realms within its expanse.
The Neutral Zone is outright stated to be completely beyond all of this, and the absolute last fathomable layer of Eternity. Beyond it there's only the Outside. It doesn't even have a conceivable "form".
All of them are scans from after SW events, it's 2017 until 2019.Antvasima said:Which ones apply after the multiverse was recreated by Franklin & Molecule Man?
All scans are after S.W e birth of 8th MultiverseAntvasima said:Which ones apply after the multiverse was recreated by Franklin & Molecule Man?