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Marvel: Big Yggdrasil Downgrade, Skyfather Upgrades, and Thor Revisions
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Thor's profile describes the scene as "two God Blasts in unison"
Is there anything that contradicts her God Blast being this strong? At the very least, if there isn't anything, I think it should be indexed as "High 1-B to Low 1-A" as well
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Yes except for the Loki and Enchantress part
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Seems fine, but I think Ultima should be pinged to have a look
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You could just make a page for Yggdrasil it would make it even easier
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Oh yeah, I forgot that was a thing you could do on this wiki
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Very little people actually care enough to make pages for places, items, civilizations, vehicles but there are stardards for those.
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@Yuhady123 Was working on something like that I believe, he should have an active blog on it.
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Yeah High 1-A Yggdrasil never made sense to me for the aforementioned reasons, so mark me for agree. I just didn't have time to make a CRT about it.
There is some 1-A implications for Skyfather - Universal Abstracts Tier [Asheena viewing the entire universe as a dream with it being nothing more than a figment of her imagination, with the same scan stating that everyone/everything is nothing but the imagination of a higher being's dream state, Eternity doing the exact same thing, etc] but this isn't the thread for that.
There is some 1-A implications for Skyfather - Universal Abstracts Tier [Asheena viewing the entire universe as a dream with it being nothing more than a figment of her imagination, with the same scan stating that everyone/everything is nothing but the imagination of a higher being's dream state, Eternity doing the exact same thing, etc] but this isn't the thread for that.
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As I see it you have 1 staff member vote in the op you need at least 2 considering it's tier 1 stuff likely more
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Will go over it in a bit. Going through other threads right now.
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I should note that Marvel heralds are stated to canonically vary in power, so they should have a Varies rating that could include 5-B, 3-C, and High 3-A ends. I always meant to implement this myself and never got around to it.
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Why not just "5-B, High 3-A at peak?"
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While myself don't know the proper context of the statement, i don't think Thor is being literal, at least on the given quote, but rather talking about how someone can overcome difficulties as long as they think they can do so. Thor himself even ends one of the speech bubbles saying that everyone can do the same thing as him
The sixth speeching bubble also pretty much leaves the idea i pointed above (Thor ins't talking about a literal Varies rating, but rather being methaphoric in relation to someone's capability of overcoming challenges on their lifes) explicit
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"Yggdrasil is scaled to High 1-A"
OP, can you link the thread where this was initially accepted?
I also don't see anything about Yggdrasil on our explanation pages.
I don't see any thread talking about Yggdrasil being High 1-A last September either.
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OP, can you link the thread where this was initially accepted?
I also don't see anything about Yggdrasil on our explanation pages.
I don't see any thread talking about Yggdrasil being High 1-A last September either.
Thor (Marvel Comics)
Thor Odinson is the Asgardian God of Thunder, a founding member of the Avengers, and the son of Odin, the All-Father of Asgard, and Gaea, the Elder Earth-Goddess. Combining the power of both worlds, and armed with his powerful enchanted hammer Mjolnir, Thor is arguably the greatest and mightiest...
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Agree with the OP, the chain-scaling to Yggdrasil will make many characters like the Skyfathers, the Hell-Lords and characters that can affected them placed above the Living Tribunal and The Abstracts which contradict their portrayal being an insects before the Abstracts.
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By the way, I'm in a bit of a rush right now, but just so we're clear about this: I actually agree with Yggdrasil being downgraded, yeah, at least for now. Immortal Thor's been introducing a lot of potential complications to its placement in the cosmology that will require us to wait on further elaboration (e.g. The first few issues imply Yggdrasil is the Tree of Life by saying that its uppermost point is the House of Ideas), so, yeah, probably best to not meddle too much with the tree for now.
I'll go over the other stuff later.
I'll go over the other stuff later.
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When is Yggdrasil implied to be connected to the House of Ideas? Is it in Immortal Thor #2 where it says "Whose highest point is the very crown of creation?" If so, I don't think that is nearly enough to scale it to the House of Ideas.
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I'm confused as to when Yggdrasil got agreed to High 1-A. I couldn't find the thread for that.
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Here.
Exactly that, yes. "Crown of Creation" is just another name for Kether, which is the House of Ideas, so Kether being Yggdrasil's highest point would seem to indicate that Al Ewing is drawing a link between Ygg and the Tree of Life.
Not saying anything is definitive (Hence I didn't say "Yggdrasil is HoI level 100%"), but given the rumbling, I'd say it's best we exclude the tree from scaling until we get more elaboration on its nature.
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Eh, I disagree. Calling out powerscaling scenarios like Thor vs Hulk in strength or Thor vs Quicksilver in a race seems like a straight reference to the kinds of questions authors like Al Ewing or Stan Lee are constantly asked, which Stan Lee infamously responded to with "the person who'd win in a fight is the person that the writer wants to win." I'd take this as an indication that heralds are as powerful as they need to be for a given story.
I'd actually say this CRT has the opposite implication? When Yggdrasil was inconsistent before, we simply allowed two characters to scale to it and dismissed all the other feats as outliers. The proposals here would allow Yggdrasil to encompass all infinite earths, and all Skyfathers to scale to it, but wouldn't this place Skyfathers infinitely above Universal Eternity? If Skyfathers must be allowed to scale to it, High 1-B World Tree sounds most accurate for consistency's sake. The World tree spanning all incarnations of Eternity sounds unreasonable seeing as the combined power of Marvel's Skyfathers couldn't scratch a single Celestial. Unless you want to say this upscales the Celestials, which consequently upscales Universal Abstracts... infinitely above themselves? Can't say I'm a fan of using Yggdrasil to scale all Skyfathers to Low 1-A.
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In any case, I do agree that Yggdrasil's rating needs to be adjusted.
Looking at the thread, I don't see how High 1-A for Ygg was agreed upon in the first place.
High 1-A isn't even in the OP.
High 1-A being mentioned with Ygg was somewhere in the middle of the thread, and it wasn't brought up again before or after that.
Looking at the thread, I don't see how High 1-A for Ygg was agreed upon in the first place.
High 1-A isn't even in the OP.
High 1-A being mentioned with Ygg was somewhere in the middle of the thread, and it wasn't brought up again before or after that.
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The Living Tribunal was already agreed to be High 1-A in the previous discussion (Part 2). The thread proposed Yggdrasil scales to him. Ergo, the thread proposed Yggdrasil scales to High 1-A.
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Isn't the Living Tribunal 1-A?
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Does imply a “composite Eternity” given that the Tree is contained within it and the crown was mentioned to be within it. Not to mention they reintroduce the idea that the Far Shore is within Eternity as oppose to Ultimates being clear, notioning that it wasn’t in the Multiverse.
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This makes sense.
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There actually is some implication for the Ygg and Galactus Seed being in the same overall tier as Universal Eternity, rather than Multiversal, that I brought up in one of the previous threads.
If that's the case, then I really see nothing inconsistent with anyone severely damaging the Ygg; Dormammu and all sorts of mystical entities can damage or blister the very fabric of Universal Eternity, rather than just normal space-time.
But it also might be best to drop Ygg scaling for the moment, like Ultima said.
If that's the case, then I really see nothing inconsistent with anyone severely damaging the Ygg; Dormammu and all sorts of mystical entities can damage or blister the very fabric of Universal Eternity, rather than just normal space-time.
But it also might be best to drop Ygg scaling for the moment, like Ultima said.
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Cant say much. Yggdrasill is stated to exist in every universe proved by it Fandom profile, then suddenly it was the "crown of creation". sort of like Yggdrasill true self. I suggest the feat scaling to Yggdrasill be removed until futher development on its nature was brought.
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Do we know that there will ever actually be further development? Like I don't think one sentence in an issue with no real indication of elaboration should be enough to halt scaling until something else happens. If there happens to be more elaboration than sure, we can change things based on whatever there may be, but right now we don't know if that will be a few months, and few years, or never.
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Probably best to save the high tier character and location CRT until a certain important thread is done.
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J.M. DeMatteis (Marvel Cosmology Split)
As some of you may understand I have been advocating with Ultima after this tiering system revision was being applied that DeMatteis's story isn't very congruent with the main Cosmology. While authors like Hickman, Ewing, and many others seem to at least follow a certain contunity with their...
