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Honestly I don't even know what the hell that thing is or which part even is the crater.
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Marvel 9-A Calcs Are Bad
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I believe the darker parts are supposed to be sort of the underground parts around the crater seen via "X-Ray" vision. I've seen a few artists do that, though never in a panel like that, that looks very odd.
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The spider web thing is the part of the wall that's caved in.
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"Pulverization" is used for craters as well because pulverization is also compressive strength and the wall was compressed in. For example this calc
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Is the Winter Soldier’s 9-A durability calc still good?
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Interesting, noted. I’ll add that to the calc then.
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Yeah maybe, can't see the pixelscaling but it wont scale to Daredevil level characters.
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Anyways I think the issue kinda is that Falcon and Crossbones shouldn't be representative of standard 9-As.
We'll leave this thread open a while for feat gathering, and I'll at least get Crossbones completed until then. Depending on the results we may yeet low-street to 9-B+, we'll see
We'll leave this thread open a while for feat gathering, and I'll at least get Crossbones completed until then. Depending on the results we may yeet low-street to 9-B+, we'll see
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Here's Moon Knight deforming a car, not sure how much it would be worth or the issue though.
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Would it change if the car was also moving and he stopped it? Comic is Secret Avengers (2010) #16.
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Usually that'd work if the compression doesn't leave much behind. I can't say it's compressive strength here tho, large fragments are strewn about. Most of the craters I've seen that qualify for pulv via being compressed craters would need to have little to no fragments left.
Also chest depth should be fine to use, since the crater is clearly deep enough to accomodate for DP's body. 10 inches, though DP is a meatier guy and he'd definitely have deeper chest depth.
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Prolly redundant.
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Let's not think about it as "pulverization" and use the standards relating to that because the values we use for pulverization is basically compressive strength, let's think about it as purely compressive strength the physics term itself. Compressive strength is used because the wall caved in which is not accounted for by it breaking into fragments, that would be if the entire crater was shattered into fragments.
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Hmmmm, well, I have seen craters be shattered into fragments similarly like this before so not really sure. Violent frag also uses low-end compressive strength (Mostly where it is found), so who knows?
The center area definitely seems compressed, that's for sure.
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You'd probably just add the vehicle's KE onto it I think?Would it change if the car was also moving and he stopped it?
But I can almost assure that feat is only 9-B+, I did a calc like two days ago where someone was tossed into military steel leaving a compression a decent bit larger than that (albeit not drastically) and got 9-B+, potentially 9-A (essentially baseline), which all but tells me that won't hit 9-A, at all. But It should be 9-B+ and he also did stop the vehicle's momentum. Would be an extremely straightforward 9-B+ feat, might even make them king of 9-B but shit ain't 9-A and definitely ain't any meaningful bit into it.
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Well, at least this can be a decent supporting feat for 9-B I guess.
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It would be, I'd suggest doing it, it might end up the highest 9-B feat for them.
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So are some characters going to be listed as 9-B and some 9-A, or they're going to have both ratings?
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I am not sure. Sorry. What do the rest of you think?
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Right now the target is 9-B. 9-A needs more feats. AKA we need to keep digging through the comics more.
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Done https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:M3X/Moon_Knight_Deforms_a_Car
I also found some Daredevil feats, withstanding Stilt-Man attacks, he was destroying walls and parts of a building.
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I'll do a Crossbones rework to rescale him ig, that way his stats are clearer, thus making this revision simpler
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Keyword: he used to be comparable to Cap, now he is just a low tier jobber who loses to everyone.
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Yeah, I agree with this. Current Crossbones is everything but Cap level
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I'm not sure. But I'm fine with this.
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I suggest we downscale characters from this calc below to Wall level+. Characters who can harm Daredevil scales to Wall level+ and the all others 9-B calcs comes as supporting. I'm sure we have tons of them.
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Daredevil survives an explosion 3.0
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Anyway, more feats.
Elektra destroys part of the wall with a kick, DD Vol 1 Issue 179
She then kicks a wall at Matt, he survives, same from above
Stilt Man destroys part of the building, Matt took it, DD Vol 5 Issue 611
Stilt Man feat again, same issue
Stilt Man destroys a wall, DD Vol 3 Issue 17
Breaks a wall again, DD vol 3 issue 22
Elektra destroys part of the wall with a kick, DD Vol 1 Issue 179
She then kicks a wall at Matt, he survives, same from above
Stilt Man destroys part of the building, Matt took it, DD Vol 5 Issue 611
Stilt Man feat again, same issue
Stilt Man destroys a wall, DD Vol 3 Issue 17
Breaks a wall again, DD vol 3 issue 22
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Meh, I mean even nowadays I don’t think Crossbones gets that overpowered by random 9-A characters, outskilled moreso.
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This seems fine to me.I suggest we downscale characters from this calc below to Wall level+. Characters who can harm Daredevil scales to Wall level+ and the all others 9-B calcs comes as supporting. I'm sure we have tons of them.
Daredevil survives an explosion 3.0
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Getting outskilled doesn't decrease your durability and Crossbones gets hurt by plenty of people who aren't considered Cap level. So you actually change the way the scaling is presented or you end up downgrading Cross as well, I don't mind either option really.
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