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how many times have they fought tho, i don't really know if one instance is evidence of much, especially when kingpin has scaling to way stronger people
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Marvel 9-A Calcs Are Bad
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They fought lots on times during v1, once on v2, and it was a major event, once in v4 and now in Devil's Reign. Fisk shouldnt really scale to stronger characters, he'll always fight equally against Matt. That's their story, they're enemies, it's like day and night. That shouldnt happen, they're equals.
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Kingpin’s just comedically unreliable, so nah we’re not scaling him to anyone.
Like I know there is the “haha spider-man you hold back against me” scans, but then Kingpin also ends up easily tanking a full-speed ram from Rhino, he kinda has these general feats with everyone
Like I know there is the “haha spider-man you hold back against me” scans, but then Kingpin also ends up easily tanking a full-speed ram from Rhino, he kinda has these general feats with everyone
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That’s easier said than done, you’re asking us to focus on individual volumes, which for the record only makes up half a character’s appearance. It’s poor representation to invalidate substantial crossover.
When everyone lives in New York they end up fighting alot, not to mention stuff you’re suggesting, for the relevant characters, ends up being true anyways, Bullseye and Dr. Octopus are rarely fighting folks outside Spider-Man and Daredevil for example, so it’s redundant for them.
Kingpin for every intent and purpose is as much a Spider-Man rogue and a Cap rogue as he is Daredevil’s, and in fact ends up being the general Street Tier rogue. Softlocking him to a cosmology will be akin to locking Dr. Doom to only ever scale to Thing, or Thanos to only ever scale to Mar-Vell, and that’s it, it’s just not how the verse works, this isn’t DC where **** ton of characters are isolated.
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This has happened? When?
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Clone Conspiracy, no? Rhino rammed Kingpin into a truck :v
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Hm, don't quite remember that... Definitely seems like of those superhuman Kingpin moments, like tearing off that stairwell.
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Impress makes sense to me above. Daredevil beating the Kingpin despite the latter's much higher feats seems like standard plot-induced stupidity to me. We should probably consider Kingpin to have raw power above the Daredevil tiers.
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Kingpin recently tanked a magic blast from Dr. Doom and physically overpowered him lol.
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I've already talked about this on Discord, but I think it's worthy to talk about it it here too.
Basically the first calc is wrong-ish because the door is supposed to be made of steel, but it can be seen by its fragments how it is instead made of wood.
Amelia's already aware of that, but I think the departure of a 9-B+ feat might affect the ongoing debate.
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i mean we should probably give Kingpin the stats agreed on that thread and treat him like Crossbones aka not used for scaling.
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I have applied the changes to Kingpin's profile.
Should a similar note be placed on Crossbones's profile as well?
Should a similar note be placed on Crossbones's profile as well?
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No opinions on whether crossbones needs a note here, though I don't think he's as bad as Kingpin though, he never throws hands with any Spider-Man tier people, he just kinda alternates between 9-A+, Bucky 9-A and lower end 9-A/9-B+/What have you
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I redid the Elektra calc, but now that I think about it I'm not sure if that's a crater since it could be an extremely large crack.
Fragmentation would still yield pretty high-end 9-B though so it could still be useful as a supporting feat.
Fragmentation would still yield pretty high-end 9-B though so it could still be useful as a supporting feat.
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There was that time Wolverine got launched into a different state
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Wolverine is 8-C.
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And has regen + a 3-C skeleton
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Didn’t have any visible damage when he landed
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Also the feat was calculated at 8-A, I believe, which isn't exactly consistent
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Would you be willing to evaluate this, Armorchompy?
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Elektra gets thrown into a wall recalc
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I'm not sure if that is really a crater or just the wall being cracked.
Also, I forgot before but here's a couple of antifeats I found while researching Crossbones:
Also, I forgot before but here's a couple of antifeats I found while researching Crossbones:
- Shang-Chi (and Crossbones) would have been killed by a helicopter explosion which I would eyeball as very high into 9-B
- Deadpool gets several of his bones broken by a taxi running him over
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done
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Please stop derailing, Wolvie's 8-C/3-C.
And, it wasn't a different state, it was a different country, and he was punched by Gorgon, a High 6-C, for this feat to have happened.
Read the scans.
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Thank you. Carioca accepted it.
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I'm back from a busy day and I saw the responses from Impress and more people, O won't derail the thread, just wanna say that the Kingpin stuff is gonna be touched again soon. It just bothers me that none of you changed Daredevil's scaling and now he will have no justifications to be 9-A/9-B.
EDIT: NVM, I saw just now he is at least 9-A. Good, it doesn't **** up the scaling.
EDIT: NVM, I saw just now he is at least 9-A. Good, it doesn't **** up the scaling.
Here are more feats for DD dudes. I'm gonna calc a few and then create a list of what we currently have.
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Stilt Man destroys a wall
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Nah, you must mean a different feat. The one I'm talking about is him getting sent from New York to Georgia. And what exactly makes Wolverine superior to everyone else in AP? Pretty sure he only fights Nathaniel due to adamantium skeleton and claws
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Would this Hawkeye feat be worth calculating?
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Pretty thick wall, could be good. Though from dialogue it does seem to injure him
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Thank you to everybody who are helping out here. I would greatly appreciate if M3X, Armorchompy, Carioca, and Spino evaluate all of each other's calculations that are posted in this thread in order to speed up our process.
Also, was the grammar for "each other's" correctly applied?
Also, was the grammar for "each other's" correctly applied?
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There's an error in the calc that I pointed out. The rest are fine.
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