Marvel 9-A Calcs Are Bad

[M3X_2.0]

Marvel 9-A calcs are wrong and some of them were recalculated.

Elsa Bloodstone car feat was redone and it's 9-B (besides one)

The "Various 9-A feats" blog was reclaced and it's now 9-B

The Kingpin feat I have not recalced yet, because I ran into some issues. Mainly this part below

He seems to deform the truck by his own depth. Human width is 10 inches to 12 inches, since Kingpin is thicc I'll say 12 inches at least or 30.48 cm. Displacement seems roughly that.

The amount of height the human head have ranges from 12-13% or 7.5.

12% of kingpin height is 0.2412 m

13% is 0.2613 m.

2.01/7.5 = 0.268 m.

All below 30 cm, does the deformation looks bigger than his head height? Spoiler: It doesn't.

Pool feats seems legit but I'm unsure about the depth used there. I don't even know why is Deadpool on this Tier tbh. But I don't think one or two feat is enough to scale dozens of dozens of characters so we need more. Not calling this a downgrade because I'm sure we have more feats like that, just need to find them.

Right now we have:

• Daredevil survives an explosion (Barely, got ****** up by it)
• Deapool breaks a wall
• Wilson breaks a statue

Reminder: This is the 9-A characters and not 9-A+.

 

[M3X_2.0]

@KLOL506 @The_Impress @Antvasima

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah I expected as much. The Marvel street tiers really can't catch a ******* break.

Either way, I agree, but I'd recommend looking for other feats. This should absolutely not be the end-all, be-all of the Marvel Street tiers.

I'll tag some other calc members to help out.

@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @Amelia_Lonelyheart @Dark-Carioca Help would definitely be appreciated.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Yeah that's what the thread is about, finding feats.

 

[The_Impress]

This couldn't have come at a worse time smhsmhsmh

Human Torch and Hawkeye also have 2 9-Aish feats on their files, uncalced, so check em out too.

Wouldn't necessarily mind them at high-end 9-B anyway, feels more accurate.

 

[KLOL506]

This couldn't have come at a worse time smhsmhsmh

A small price to pay for Galactic Salvation HAHA GEDDIT

 

[M3X_2.0]

Wouldn't necessarily mind them at high-end 9-B anyway, feels more accurate.

I think the same honestly. After reading all Daredevil volumes, he is more consistent at Wall level at high end.

This couldn't have come at a worse time smhsmhsmh

If you want this can be done another time.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

So this is for the Daredevil/Punisher level guys? Time to go through Miller's run again, oh boy.

 

[KLOL506]

So this is for the Daredevil/Punisher level guys? Time to go through Miller's run again, oh boy.

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT MASSIVE FAT PILE OF PAGES CALLED VOLUME 1.

YOU WILL NOT SURVIVE.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

The Elsa Bloodstone calc being 9-A always perplexed me because real cars can get demolished with considerably less than 9-A energy.

Hawkeye's feat seems somewhat exaggerated (he didn't destroy the entire door) but destroying considerably less steel is still 9-A so who knows.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Arguably the best Daredevil story so you won't suffer that much. I have a couple of feats here yall might wanna see

M3X/Sandbox31

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[M3X_2.0]

I've not saved literally everything, only what surprised me.

 

[The_Impress]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/708211202437677076/959541199100842024/unknown.png

The Falcon feat's also really ******* weird, where I genuinely can't say if it's meant to be stone or clay.

Falcon and Crossbones are in the weird-ass grey area regardless for 9-As, where they can very well be 9-A+ given story, so scaling to them's ehhhhhhhhh.

Same goes for Hawkeye

 

[KLOL506]

Either way, only shows just how much we lack.

Sorry boys, I'm not touching the Omnibus volumes to check for feats even if my family got kidnapped and held hostage.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Imo Daredevil v1 is kinda iffy, his pre Miller phase was very strong, trading punches with Black Panther, surviving a beatdown from Namor, and old DD knocked out Spider-Man, etc, do Idk about that.

Falcon and Crossbones are in the weird-ass grey area regardless for 9-As, where they can very well be 9-A+ given story, so scaling to them's ehhhhhhhhh.

I think the same applies for a bunch of street level heroes depending on the representation they are getting, Daredevil v6 had Matt beating Crossbones, Stilt Man, Bullseye and Rhino all at once.

Tbh I think a "Varies" rating works depending on the character, from 9-B to 9-A.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Found the source for Hawkeye's feat. He does not destroy two doors, just kicks a hole through them. I'll calc it and the Human Torch feat when I get freetime.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Here are more feats

M3X/DaredevilSandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[M3X_2.0]

Wall busting feats for Daredevil

 

[The_Impress]

I think the same applies for a bunch of street level heroes depending on the representation they are getting, Daredevil v6 had Matt beating Crossbones, Stilt Man, Bullseye and Rhino all at once.

No but mate, Crossbones was just a Captain America for, and yet still, decades. Dude's just buff enough to **** up Cap consistently, that's his primary scaling.

Tbh I think a "Varies" rating works depending on the character, from 9-B to 9-A.

We don't give a Varies for raw inconsistency, there has to be a verse mechanic.

 

[M3X_2.0]

We don't give a Varies for raw inconsistency, there has to be a verse mechanic.

Hmm, fair.

No but mate, Crossbones was just a Captain America for, and yet still, decades. Dude's just buff enough to **** up Cap consistently.

Yeah I know, but what I said is still true though, though I don't recall Matt punching him iirc it was more like using the billy club to attack him, this shit is strong as ****

 

[The_Impress]

Worst case scenario maybe a note for Crossbones to make him unscaleable, we'll see.

 

[M3X_2.0]

About that Falcon feat, not sure if that's vvfrag, we could maybe use frag value of granite or marble too. Daredevil does have something similar to that in V3 annual 1

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

The Falcon calc is weird because some panels make it look like frag, others v.frag. IDK what to use.

I can add the Daredevil feats to my list.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Leave them to me, I'm gonna do a massive overhaul on his cosmology anyway.

 

[The_Impress]

Leave them to me, I'm gonna do a massive overhaul on his cosmology anyway.

M3X gonna make him tier 0

 

[M3X_2.0]

He's based so he deserve this Tier.

 

[Antvasima]

So is it fine if we handle this now, or should it wait until later?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

People had issues with crushing cars being 9-A, I guess that makes sense.

Does this feat work? Not evaluated though and might wanna redo the pixel scaling.

 

[Hellbeast]

Tbh I think a "Varies" rating works depending on the character, from 9-B to 9-A.

I think I've suggested a mixed rating before as well since a lot of streets have weird showings like this

 

[Chariot190]

"At least 9-B, at most 9-A"
To compensate for the consistent lower end showings but to account for the often high end showings and variances between events.
The actual true solution. Not up for debate. Don't @ me.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I’m such an idiot. I thought this was an MCU thread.

 

[Confluctor]

People had issues with crushing cars being 9-A, I guess that makes sense.

Does this feat work? Not evaluated though and might wanna redo the pixel scaling.

I feel like it isn't an outlier for Elektra. She is contextually far stronger than Matt and them lot. And iirc, she has some sort of power mechanism involved.

She has also grown considerably stronger compared to her classic self.

 

[M3X_2.0]

She isn't stronger than Matt.

EDIT: I can elaborate on that later when we settle this thread

 

[M3X_2.0]

I'll update the calc later

Daredevil busts a wall

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Do you mean you'll further change the calc or is this the final version?

 

[The_Impress]

So is it fine if we handle this now, or should it wait until later?

It's fine, was just annoying for me personally since I was gonna begin individual file reworks

 

[Antvasima]

It's fine, was just annoying for me personally since I was gonna begin individual file reworks

Well, I am afraid that it is considerably more important that we handle the tier 5 and 9 Marvel revisions as a whole for the moment.

Anyway, perhaps @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan and @M3X are willing to evaluate each other's calculations above?

 

[Antvasima]

She isn't stronger than Matt.

EDIT: I can elaborate on that later when we settle this thread

I agree with that. When unarmed she shouldn't be stronger than Daredevil in terms of raw power. However, her ruthlessness and bladed weapons give her an edge.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Do you mean you'll further change the calc or is this the final version?

I added the pixelscaling for Daredevil's face and the issue of the feat.

Anyway, perhaps @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan and @M3X are willing to evaluate each other's calculations above?

Don't worry about that, we'll calc lots of feats and evaluate them all.

I agree with that. When unarmed she shouldn't be stronger than Daredevil in terms of raw power. However, her ruthlessness and bladed weapons give her an edge.

Yeah, she is just more dungerous than him. Whenever they fight, she's bloodlusted and Matt is in character or holding back. In Daredevil V6, she was training Matt and even while rusty, out of practice, Matt showed to be on par with her.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Does this feat work? Not evaluated though and might wanna redo the pixel scaling.

I don't think that's a crater?