Da3ggman
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It's a stomp
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Mario vs Chara
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i'll remove AE
Da3ggman
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Powerful probably doesn't work anymore, so it's still a stomp. Mario has no Win Con
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then i vote chara fra
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I think its
7 Chara
5 Incon
0 Mario
so far
7 Chara
5 Incon
0 Mario
so far
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not sure, to be frank
while Mario can out-skill to hell and back, there ain't much he can do about SAVE/LOAD if his optional equipment is restricted
though, I don't see how tiring him out is a viable option, as Pure Hearts Mario has Limitless stamina
with AE restricted as well, this fight could just continue on indefinitely, especially since I don't see a clear-cut method for Chara to win aside from just.. physically attacking him
since Mario has Acausality type 1, he could theoretically formulate a plan to incapacitate Chara once he figures out killing them wouldn't work
still ain't sure who to vote for tho
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and just disregard my post, aight
ShionAH
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Idrc we already discussed why chara can win
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Via what? Physically attacking Mario repeatedly?
ShionAH
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Possesion and Tricking mario
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Mario ain't a dunce. Trickery won't work, especially since the profile quote's Chara as being "naive".
isn't striking their go-to move, not possession?
ShionAH
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Mario already got tricked a few times by villians so it might work. “If you give me your soul I will leave you alone or else we are here forever”
After they realize mario is durable why wont they do it?
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wat..
An ultimatum like that won't sway Mario into just giving up his literal soul. Not to mention that, again, they're a child with decent enough knowledge of the Underground, their home, compared to Mario's Genius, and a wall of occupations and other intellectual-based activities under his belt.
mind naming a few instances Mario was tricked by some of the baddies he fights
sure, but Mario's more than acrobatic enough to dance around them while they hopelessly swing at him
also, didn't possession only work once Frisk gave up their soul, as we see in post-genocide playthroughs?
ShionAH
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Mario is not a genius in manipulation or whatever he is a genius in combat and he has a PhD in a few categories I think lol. Still its a wincon that MIGHT happen
Idk. Just look above people mentioned a few instances
no actually since chara posses frisk in genocide routes sans and asgore parts. Chara is the one who kills sans and asgore
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My guy, Mario isn't gonna get manipulated by a child into giving up his soul. Man's isn't dumb enough to fall for that.
just write that "wincon" off, it ain't happening
they mention Bowser kidnapping him..
Bowser himself is an evil genius, it shouldn't be a surprise he was able to fool Mario
they're only stated to take control of Frisk specifically at the end of the genocide run, and post-genocide run
the deaths of Sans and Asgore might just be because of Chara's own determination awakening in response to Frisk's "guidance"
ShionAH
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Prove mario will one hundred percent not get tricked. It is a possiblity. It is a wincon.
Bowser is a evil genius? A evil genius who always gets beaten because he lets mario use the little lever that makes him fall to his death? The same bowser who does the same mistakes every game? Its on his profile. Bowser may display moments of stupidity and a lack of common sense on occassion
"Who said you were the one in control?"
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I dunno, maybe using logic?
PIS exists for a reason. Plus, most of those games, Mario makes use of a new companion, or a new ability/power-up.
yes, after they were awakened by Frisk and regained their power
every other action seen in-game was mostly just Frisk
ShionAH
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Which he couldn't use against bowser? The guy who lacks common sense and sucks at manipulation
Bowser is not a manipulation or a good trickster actually he sucks at those and he tricked mario. His IQ comes from his intelligence in technology or whatever
Most of the actions were done by frisk because chara was weak. In the sans fight chara started to gain control and made a move, in the asgore fight chara forces us to kill asgore and at that point she is fully in control. Thats the key we are using.
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There's nothing showing Chara can possess anyone but Frisk tbh. The only reason Frisk was "possessed" is because Frisk/the player is the one who "resurrected" Chara.
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Plot. Induced. Stupidity.
he's only shortsighted when it comes to plans, as he overlooks crucial details
that's the shit that allows Mario to beat him sometimes, the rest is just from PIS, companion(s), or power-up(s)
And? It's notable nonetheless
simply trying to trick Mario into giving up his soul isn't going to work
touché
but how does that explain how they would go about possessing Mario
cuz from what was implied in context, they were already tagging along with Frisk, remaining dormant until Frisk reached their peak
seems to me, that Chara was only able to possess Frisk due to their similar share of Determination
ShionAH
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I mean yeah but its not on the profile so...
That shows how bowser has barely any good trickster feats and mario still got tricked by him lol
probably but it CAN work even if its sooo unlikely its still a wincon.
No idea tbh. We need UT supporters for that lol
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chara can't possess mario, they only possessed frisk throughout the genocide route because they both share the same body.
ShionAH
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too tired to argue that, but still inclined to disagree with you
give me your lungs
bring em in then, shit
ShionAH
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thanks, I try
that's a pretty ***** wincon that'll basically never happen
then it do be an incon for me my guy
ShionAH
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good
it can happen so it is still a wincon
okay, it can be added for a win to chara since votes are counted.
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nah nah, explain how they'd go about possessing him
"No" ain't gonna cut it borther
ShionAH
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Nah nah I ain't explaining a 3 page discussion for you.
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yet yo ass just said "No idea tbh. We need UT supporters for that lol"
ShionAH
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to make sure possesion works as a wincon. Soul hax is still a viable wincon if possesion doesnt work.
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shame you can't answer that yourself, still goin with incon
the people here already went over how soul hax wasn't applicable, so no
not to mention it ain't even mentioned on the profiles like some of the other UT characters
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ShionAH
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cope
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TheKingStrategist13
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Honestly, Strangeverse has a point. Chara somehow getting Mario to give up his soul is as valid a Wincon as Mario convincing Chara to BFR himself. It's such a unlikelyhood that it really shouldn't be considered. Was Mario tricked by Bowser before? Yes, he was, but doesn't Bowser have a higher intelligence rating than Chara? This is like saying L from Death Note get's tricked by Patrick Star- Maybe not on the same scale, but the idea is still the same. We can't just ignore the vast intelligence gap in favor of giving Chara a false wincon of convincing Mario to just give his soul up.
That being said, though I find this argument to have merit, I'm assuming this will be added ignoring this point, anyways.
That being said, though I find this argument to have merit, I'm assuming this will be added ignoring this point, anyways.
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i would normally agree with you, but here chara has literraly INFINITE TRIES even if the possibility is that of 1% it is still a possibility
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