Mario vs Chara

[Pizzabox492]

changed to just standard equipment

 

[Ikelaggan]

no, reload

No, that's a NLF to assume they can just pull a vegito and just still use their abilities while transmutated into a object.

 

[ShionAH]

But that type of LOAD can still be powernulled. The human souls powernulled his save states before.

Human souls did it via being 6x better than frisk with base DT

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

But that type of LOAD can still be powernulled. The human souls powernulled his save states before.

All DT abilities can be nulled, not sure if Mario has that type of powernull tho

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

If its changed to standard equipment I'll change my vote to incon

 

[Da3ggman]

All DT abilities can be nulled, not sure if Mario has that type of powernull tho

His powernull is just your basic powernull that can effect anything.

 

[ShionAH]

I vote chara since its base equipment

 

[Ikelaggan]

If its changed to standard equipment I'll change my vote to incon

Same

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

So Mario's wincons now are... freezing Chara?

 

[Roachman40]

could mario even freeze chara in the first place, chara AE1 is not restricted as of yet so mario wouldn't even be able to interact with em, it seems

 

[Da3ggman]

its base equipment

Well, there goes hours of my life. This is a stomp.

 

[Ego]

Curse you OP

 

[Omegabronic]

They just activate once he pulls them out

yeah but how, a laser beam that nullifies? just standing around the item null the abilities?

Your abilities just get nulled automatically, I think

not gonna lie, this one seems to just be null of invulnerability and barriers, dimentio could still use numerous abilities during the fight

Can't reload if they aren't even conscious

yes they can, unless you think they are conscious after death

Powernull

does the powernull stays active after death?

 

[Omegabronic]

also chara is abstract type 1, what can mario even do?

 

[Da3ggman]

yeah but how, a laser beam that nullifies? just standing around the item null the abilities

Not sure on that one tbh, the links broken for me.

not gonna lie, this one seems to just be null of invulnerability and barriers, dimentio could still use numerous abilities during the fight

I think that's because of game mechanics. If it power nulled everything like its supposed to, there wouldn't be a fight in the first place.

yes they can, unless you think they are conscious after death

I mean, yeah, they seem to be conscious after death, being able to make the decision to load or reset at the death screen.

does the powernull stays active after death?

I'd assume so, since it power nulled The Dark Hearts abilities even after the one using them lost.

 

[Omegabronic]

so now that it is just normal equipment, voting chara

 

[Da3ggman]

so now that it is just normal equipment, voting chara

Bruh it's a stomp

 

[Ikelaggan]

Weaknesses: Chara needs someone with strong enough Determination and capacity for violence to manifest and needed to possess a host to interact with the universe BEFORE they had reached a sufficiently great level of power.

Yeah, BEFORE as in they don't have that power unless they have a body. That's making the assumption that chara with the body has that AE 1 on Fisk's body and not just chara without one.
If Mario can't interact with chara then chara can't interact with Mario since they can't interact with anything without a host. That's what I mean by it's not combat applicable.

 

[Chaos Jester25]

Yeah, BEFORE as in they don't have that power unless they have a body. That's making the assumption that chara with the body has that AE 1 on Fisk's body and not just chara without one.

Chara’s 2-C/B key is referring to Chara at the end of the genocide route. By the end of the genocide route, Chara has already obtained a physical form. They don’t need a host anymore.

 

[Ikelaggan]

Chara’s 2-C/B key is referring to Chara at the end of the genocide route. By the end of the genocide route, Chara has already obtained a physical form. They don’t need a host anymore.

Then solve this continuity error you just made: why didn't chara just delete the timeline rather than bothering asking for Fisk's soul if they have a physical body now.

 

[Chaos Jester25]

Then solve this continuity error you just made: why didn't chara just delete the timeline rather than bothering asking for Fisk's soul if they have a physical body now.

Chara does not ask for Frisk's soul. They ask if Frisk is willing to help them delete the timeline. Also, Frisk's answer does not matter. Chara deletes the timeline regardless if Frisk agrees to helpor not.

 

[Ikelaggan]

Chara does not ask for Frisk's soul. They ask if Frisk is willing to help them delete the timeline. Also, Frisk's answer does not matter. Chara deletes the timeline regardless if Frisk agrees to helpor not.

That doesn't prove they have that type of power as just purely a abstract if they clearly have control over the host body and don't let you have a choice. Plus type 1 AE can have NP avatars to the abstraction so chara just being visable to frisk doesn't mean they sudenly have a seperate body now.

 

[Ret_of_Guys]

Uhh incon for now

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

So whats the current verdict? Not the final one ofc but current

 

[Da3ggman]

So whats the current verdict? Not the final one ofc but current

If Chara has AE, it's a stomp. If she doesn't, then IDK.

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

So is her AE combat applicable?

 

[Da3ggman]

So is her AE combat applicable?

It just makes it so Mario can't even effect her.

 

[Ikelaggan]

I'm pretty sure pizzabox has either dropped this thread or hasn't kept up count at this point

 

[Pizzabox492]

what are the votes but this seems to be an incon

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Count the votes you made the thread

 

[Pizzabox492]

bruh ok

 

[Pizzabox492]

seems to be 3 incons and 3 chara and no votes for mario after i changed it to base equipment

 

[Omegabronic]

seems to be 3 incons and 3 chara and no votes for mario after i changed it to base equipment

write it on the op

 

[Pizzabox492]

write it on the op

added

 

[Da3ggman]

Does Chara have AE or not? That determines whether or not this is a wash or stomp because Mario has the Pure Hearts to Power Null SAVE/LOAD.

 

[Omegabronic]

Does Chara have AE or not? That determines whether or not this is a wash or stomp because Mario has the Pure Hearts to Power Null SAVE/LOAD.

does he tho? for what i saw in the clip it doesn't seem to power null everything, but just invulnerability

 

[Da3ggman]

does he tho? for what i saw in the clip it doesn't seem to power null everything, but just invulnerability

That's for the sake of a fun boss fight. It was only allowed to power null the thing that allowed the player to beat the boss, but not the stuff that would make the boss a cake walk.

 

[ShionAH]

I vote chara if AE is not there. Charas wincon seems more likely than marios since mario has shown to feats of nulling something as powerful as SAVE and LOAD

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I vote chara if AE is not there.

If you still vote for her why mention the fact that the AE isn't there

 

[ShionAH]

If you still vote for her why mention the fact that the AE isn't there

If AE is there its a stomp lol