Mario vs Chara

[Pizzabox492]

Mario fights a demon child

Mario has standard equipment and pure hearts

Speed equalized

Both in character

2-B vs 2-C/possibly 2-B

who wins?

7 Chara

5 Incon

0 Mario

AE is restricted

 

[ShionAH]

I think its incon since I don't see mario being able to stop SAVE and LOAD but I don't see how chara can kill mario unless they take his soul

 

[Pizzabox492]

bump

 

[Pizzabox492]

I think its incon since I don't see mario being able to stop SAVE and LOAD but I don't see how chara can kill mario unless they take his soul

doesn't mario resist soul manipulation

 

[Pizzabox492]

bump

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Mario resists soul manip, question is how deep is Chara is into soul hhax?

 

[Pizzabox492]

Mario resists soul manip, question is how deep is Chara is into soul hhax?

not sure but I don't think it's that deep

 

[ShionAH]

Mario resists soul manip, question is how deep is Chara is into soul hhax?

Its 2-C to possibly 2-B scale

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

What type of power/manip is Reset and Save? I remember Mario vs Flowey being incon. So the likeliness of Mario vs Chara being incon wouldn't phase me.

 

[Roachman40]

chara's soul hax is kinda weird, it comes from the deal that they make with you at the end of the genocide route, of which chara was unable to take the SOUL by force it seems.

Gonna vote incon though still, im not sure how deep mario is into 2-B, but chara can just use the SAVE system to come back at any time if need be.

 

[ShionAH]

chara's soul hax is kinda weird, it comes from the deal that they make with you at the end of the genocide route, of which chara was unable to take the SOUL by force it seems.

I thought she gets your soul anyway?

 

[omegabronic]

What type of power/manip is Reset and Save? I remember Mario vs Flowey being incon. So the likeliness of Mario vs Chara being incon wouldn't phase me.

resurection while also going back in time

 

[Roachman40]

I thought she gets your soul anyway?

na, if you refuse they will just leave you in the abyss (see here)

 

[ShionAH]

What type of power/manip is Reset and Save? I remember Mario vs Flowey being incon. So the likeliness of Mario vs Chara being incon wouldn't phase me.

Resurecction inmortality and Time Mnaip

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

im not sure how deep mario is into 2-B

hes countless

 

[omegabronic]

hes countless

so is chara btw

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

is it possible for Mario to negate the ability of save and load? Mario has plenty of power nulling abilities in his page. Mario can also BFR her

 

[omegabronic]

is it possible for Mario to negate the ability of save and load? Mario has plenty of power nulling abilities in his page. Mario can also BFR her

no since it activates in death, and even if he bfr chara they just come back to the save file

 

[ShionAH]

It depends if mario resists 2-B soul hax.

 

[Roachman40]

The soul hax dosent really matter here i'd think, as mentioned above chara couldn't take the soul by force.

Chara would have to convince mario to give them his soul, of which I doubt mario is gonna oblige to something like that haphazardly.

 

[ShionAH]

The soul hax dosent really matter here i'd think, as mentioned above chara couldn't take the soul by force.

Chara would have to convince mario to give them his soul, of which I doubt mario is gonna oblige to something like that haphazardly.

Can chara trick him? Even if its not likely its still a wincon

 

[Roachman40]

Can chara trick him? Even if its not likely its still a wincon

Iunno much about mario, but maybe? Mario seems alot smarter than chara so he probably wont fall for their trickery if they decided to do that.

hes countless

hmm, im actually going to change my vote to Chara then. Due to the competitors being comparable in AP, Chara could just use the SAVE system over and over again until they eventually win, with mario evidently not having anything to negate that, it seems.

 

[ShionAH]

I vote chara aswell

 

[Ret_of_Guys]

So you're saying that Chara is just gonna keep saving and loading until Chara manages to trick Mario into handing over his soul?

I don't know what to think about that.

 

[Roachman40]

So you're saying that Chara is just gonna keep saving and loading until Chara manages to trick Mario into handing over his soul?

I don't know what to think about that.

no, lol

Due to their comparable AP, chara can just keep reloading until they just kill mario through normal means

 

[koopa3144]

Mario has his equipment

Does this mean mario has Optional equipment? If so Mario can just transmute Chara or possess them with cappy

Due to their comparable AP, chara can just keep reloading until they kill mario through normal means (via AP)

That's gonna be hard due to Marios statistics amplification and resurrections.

 

[Ikelaggan]

Incon FRA

 

[jojo123]

Incon FRA

 

[Pizzabox492]

Does this mean mario has Optional equipment? If so Mario can just transmute Chara or possess them with cappy

yes

 

[Pizzabox492]

can't chara just nuke the timeline or would mario survive that

 

[koopa3144]

yes

Ok Mario should probably take this then, he has Possession (Via Cappy), Passive Resurrection (Via 1-Up Gloves, Gumption Socks, Retry Clock, and Earlier Times), Mind Control, Transmutation, the list goes on.

 

[Ego]

Mario fra

 

[Da3ggman]

Mario's about to catch a body FRA

 

[omegabronic]

just saying that stuff like transmutation would not work since chara can just reload

 

[Da3ggman]

just saying that stuff like transmutation would not work since chara can just reload

SAVE/LOAD works on kill, and transmutation doesn't kill Chara. He could also just BFR her.

 

[omegabronic]

SAVE/LOAD works on kill, and transmutation doesn't kill Chara. He could also just BFR her.

it activates on kill, but you can also activate it without dying, and if bfr chara can just load back

 

[Da3ggman]

it activates on kill, but you can also activate it without dying, and if bfr chara can just load back

What type of hax does SAVE/LOAD fall under?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

so is chara btw

Huh??

 

[ShionAH]

What type of hax does SAVE/LOAD fall under?

Time Manip and Resurrectiob

 

[ShionAH]

Okay the wincons for both.

Mario: He can use mind hax or some kind of attack that can stop chara from loading

Chara: Either wearing mario out or just tricking him and then killing him with soul hax