Red-Hot Hadou - Mario vs Akuma (7-1-0) [Concluded]

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

Yes.

This is how the Wiki works, doesn't matter if Capcom localized it themselves if their original dialogue doesn't mention the soul, oh well that's life!

Wiki works like this? Better to leaving

Just kidding. Its still canon and wiki use canon stuffs. This is hella weird they only use jp for this move but can use eng for other things

Anyways im completely disagree with this and consider this ability for akuma, although akuma fodderizes mario even without it

 

[DaReaperMan]

Wiki works like this? Better to leaving

Just kidding. Its still canon and wiki use canon stuffs. This is hella weird they only use jp for this move but can use eng for other things

Usually happens when something might be contentious, or someone just wants to double check something, there are probably many abilities like this that nobody has bothered to translate from the source material, Saman is one of those people who likes to be sure.

 

[Arceus0x]

Just kidding. Its still canon and wiki use canon stuffs. This is hella weird they only use jp for this move but can use eng for other things

here's the deal. If the author is japanese, then the japanese text is the most important and takes priority over english translation done later. English translations, even official ones, can get pretty bad with some translations straight up inventing shit out of nothing. Due to this, when the source material is originally made in japanese, we'll use the japanese text to check if something is correct. That's why if something doesn't exist in the original text, we don't use it.
Just to give you an example, if in Lord of the Rings the spanish translation inserted a character that didn't exist into the story or gave Gandalf the power to fly across the globe, I'm pretty sure nobody would take it seriously since it would twist the narrative of the original story. Same goes here, if the original story is in japanese and the translation doesn't reflect it then it shouldn't be used.

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

here's the deal. If the author is japanese, then the japanese text is the most important and takes priority over english translation done later. English translations, even official ones, can get pretty bad with some translations straight up inventing shit out of nothing. Due to this, when the source material is originally made in japanese, we'll use the japanese text to check if something is correct. That's why if something doesn't exist in the original text, we don't use it.
Just to give you an example, if in Lord of the Rings the spanish translation inserted a character that didn't exist into the story or gave Gandalf the power to fly across the globe, I'm pretty sure nobody would take it seriously since it would twist the narrative of the original story. Same goes here, if the original story is in japanese and the translation doesn't reflect it then it shouldn't be used.

So by your words eng isn't canon. If i saw anything that is a little different with jp i request to change that

 

[AStrangeverse]

Mario's got enough skill and athleticism to hang with Akuma for a bit, being very good when it comes to anticipation and countering. This is further backed by him having an over 6x AP advantage (nearly enough to one-shot), making any of his hits hurt. Though, Akuma most likely still has the skill advantage

if he's pressured enough, he can always rely on his Zone Speed to slow down his perception of time (and nail Akuma with something like an Ice Flower or a volley of fire balls), or use a different form of perception amp to time any of his attacks with greater precision

if he messes up and ends up dying, which'll be hard considering the disparity in stats, he can resurrect with 1-Ups which have been used in-verse outside of just the RPGs

votin for the Plumber

 

[Chariot190]

how do y'all deal with mfs like these on a daily basis?

Alcohol.

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

Usually happens when something might be contentious, or someone just wants to double check something, there are probably many abilities like this that nobody has bothered to translate from the source material, Saman is one of those people who likes to be sure.

Anyways im completely disagree with this

But because of some reasons im going to check both jp and eng to find the differences and change the abilities of different characters (not because this is my opinion, but just to do this for fun lol)

 

[Arceus0x]

If i saw anything that is a little different with jp i request to change that

...yeah? If John StreetFighter shoots fire according to english but he never shoots fire in the original japanese text and never shoots fire in the games then he shouldn't have fire manip. Simple.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Anyways im completely disagree with this

But because of some reasons im going to check both jp and eng to find the differences and change the abilities of different characters (not because this is my opinion, but just to do this for fun lol)

You also seem to disagree with grammar!

This is a meme do not take this seriously lol

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

...yeah? If John StreetFighter shoots fire according to english but he never shoots fire in the original japanese text and never shoots fire in the games then he shouldn't have fire manip. Simple.

Yeah its cool to see there's maybe more abilities for sf characters

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

You also seem to disagree with grammar!

This is a meme do not take this seriously lol

Yeah because my scaling is different with this wiki that doesn't mean its wrong but it's actually correct but doesn't fit with this wiki

 

[Arceus0x]

Yeah its cool to see there's maybe more abilities for sf characters

I mean admittedly english translations can also lose some stuff in the translation so for all I know you could find concept hax lying around somewhere.

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

I mean admittedly english translations can also lose some stuff in the translation so for all I know you could find concept hax lying around somewhere.

I know, but it's more fun to add abilities
I never tell ability removal to the wiki, but sf haters can tell, they can do whatever they want
But i'll try to add abilities

 

[Arceus0x]

I know, but it's more fun to add abilities
I never tell ability removal to the wiki, but sf haters can tell, they can do whatever they want
But i'll try to add abilities

I find accuracy to be more important but you do you, just make sure not to go against the rules or you'll get vaporized since you kinda did just lay out your whole plan here

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

I find accuracy to be more important but you do you, just make sure not to go against the rules or you'll get vaporized since you kinda did just lay out your whole plan here

I never go against the rules
And i don't think i'll be active here so long because of some reasons
And I never force anyone here to accept my scaling

Anyways my vote is akuma. Others can do whatever they want. My debate is over.

Don't reply me cause i don't answer anymore. Bye

 

[CrackerVolley]

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[CrackerVolley]

Hey, what's the LS requirements needed for Akuma to break himself out of ice flower blocks? Is it just what you'd expect with a simple calc or is there some LS scaling going on for that?

 

[Chariot190]

Yeah because my scaling is different with this wiki that doesn't mean its wrong but it's actually correct but doesn't fit with this wiki

Real

Hey, what's the LS requirements needed for Akuma to break himself out of ice flower blocks? Is it just what you'd expect with a simple calc or is there some LS scaling going on for that?

I know this because I calced Link breaking out of being frozen in OT/MM for every form. It'd be like Class 50 I think for Akuma in particular based on his size and how much ice would need to be broken. Obviously the more ice needed, the higher it'd be which is ****** up because Deku Link breaking the ice is the highest yield because he's the smallest and thus has more ice to break compared Goron which takes up more of the ice volume.

Which is to say, Akuma isn't going to give a shit about being encased, the problem is the fact Ice Flower is cold af and might just kill him if he doesn't have sufficient cold res.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Which is to say, Akuma isn't going to give a shit about being encased, the problem is the fact Ice Flower is cold af and might just kill him if he doesn't have sufficient cold res.

Pretty much Akuma doesn't even have any type of cold resistance so ice flower would just... kill him would it not?

 

[Chariot190]

Pretty much Akuma doesn't even have any type of cold resistance so ice flower would just... kill him would it not?

Probably, that shit can flash freeze lava and he lacks regen or immortality sufficient to survive all the fuckys it does.

 

[CrackerVolley]

Well shit... at least Akuma has anti-projectile measures and Raging Demon's Death Manipulation exists so it's still a win con regardless of soul manip interpretation. Also it seems that Mario's base ice manip is unintentionally screwed by me choosing Lethal Laval Land as the location and the combat applicable version requires snowballs.

With that in mind, I guess I'll still vote Mario since the flower abilities are kinda busted, he has more movement options, and he can improve his reactions with Self-Perception manip.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Yeah going with Mario here. He does a little flower trolling and yeah that's it.

 

[CrackerVolley]

Vote counted.

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

Hey please count me as a vote for Goatkuma

 

[CrackerVolley]

Vote counted I guess.

 

[koopa3144]

Gonna vote Red Luigi for my arguments in my first post and fra for now.

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Gonna have to vote for Mario. Thinking his arguments and bigger arsenal is gonna help out and he can likely react to a lot of Akuma's stuff via zone speed

 

[CrackerVolley]

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[Da3ggman]

Mario FRA

 

[CrackerVolley]

Vote Counted

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I'll vote for the Italian plumber FRA as well

 

[CrackerVolley]

Vote counted

 

[AStrangeverse]

Mario's got enough skill and athleticism to hang with Akuma for a bit, being very good when it comes to anticipation and countering. This is further backed by him having an over 6x AP advantage (nearly enough to one-shot), making any of his hits hurt. Though, Akuma most likely still has the skill advantage

if he's pressured enough, he can always rely on his Zone Speed to slow down his perception of time (and nail Akuma with something like an Ice Flower or a volley of fire balls), or use a different form of perception amp to time any of his attacks with greater precision

if he messes up and ends up dying, which'll be hard considering the disparity in stats, he can resurrect with 1-Ups which have been used in-verse outside of just the RPGs

votin for the Plumber

forgot to count mine as well

 

[CrackerVolley]

My b.

That's grace, I guess.

 

[CrackerVolley]

Grace ended yesterday. Funny yahoo man wins.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Grace ended yesterday. Funny yahoo man wins.

Is the vote tally not updated? Why is it 6-1? That doesn’t make the match valid I don’t think.

EDIT: Can’t read nvm

Anyhow, voting for Mario for the reasons given above (love how there was so much talk about translations being canon or non-canon, when Mega Man X6 exists and was made by the same company LOL)