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Mario vs Chara (Remake) [Grace]
- Thread starter AStrangeverse
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what makes you sure she actually has dodge experience I mean we never see her actually dodge
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that isn't what wearing an opponent down means, but sure, they can find some kind of opening in a millennia
cool, Zone Speed and his own self-perception easily handles any possibility of Chara attempting to dodge
and even if they hit Mario, Bottomless Gloves can cover that handily
ye, but again, Bottomless Gloves can cover that easily
ok
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they were awoke by, acompaned with, and eventually dominated frisk during the genocide run in undertale, where frisk fights heavy damaku numerous times
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that's not exactly notable to be frank, you're unable to control Frisk, much less even see them
when Chara attacks, it's directed at you
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what makes you think that mario is so untouchable to chara?
not very familiar with this, but doesn't he need time to take the power up out of the glove?
btw i voted, why isn't it counted yet?
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what makes you think that mario is so untouchable to chara?
not very familiar with this, but doesn't he need time to take the power up out of the glove?
btw i voted, why isn't it counted yet?
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i don't understand what you mean?
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just because they were near him doesn't mean they even had to dodge
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I just explained that to you
no, it just lets him reuse it immediately once it's knocked out of him
honestly, bogus reasoning, but I'll be fair and count it
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you're stating that Chara "dominated" Frisk even though Chara was mainly referring to, and subsequently attacking, the player
Frisk isn't anywhere to be seen, so you can't scale them to Frisk when we're not even given the ability to dodge or perform any other sort of action
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i am not talking about the last scene, but about the fact that chara takes control eventually in the geno run
read above
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where? the only thing you show that might is the invincibility things, but are they in character for mario?
ok
ok
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After sans is killed but did she even have to dodge anything
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they are in control of frisk during the rest of the game after that, even when a reset happens and we fight the same bosses again
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then you ain't exactly the best at wording your sentences for easier comprehension, not that it matters here since I, and a few others, already explained how Mario can still deal with them
and Chara only takes control of Frisk towards the end, and post-Genocide
cool
Open. Them. Eyes. Borther.
I told you about Zone Speed and his own self-perception amp that'll negate Chara dodging any of his projectiles
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she still will likley have little experience dodging I mean the only way she will have any experience is if she did play the game again but I assume she hasn't
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they did, they literally did
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yeah but the projectiles will not be very effective
where they can go thorugh the same things as frisk is a pacifist or geno route again
ice solid
how will they? they lower his perception, but so what? the projectiles are still moving the same speed
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how many times do you need me to repeat the same argument to you before you're convinced
you ain't exactly making sense, I don't understand what point you're trying to make
no, the projectiles don't move at the same speed
when Mario uses either of his self-perception amps, everything else is viewed in slow-motion
Mario has demonstrated that he can easily outpace other characters with either of those amps, and his projectiles follow under the same rule
Chara can't react fast enough to dodge any of Mario's projectiles, or Mario simply one-tapping them with Super Star, Invincibility Leaf/Bell, etc.
it makes zero sense as to why his projectiles remain at the same speed when he uses his self-perception amps
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i am just explaining why some of mario's power will be not be very effective
that chara has experience dodging heavy damaku far more complex than any of marios projectiles
his natural self perception was what i was talking about, but about the zone speed, doesn't mario need to save energy for it?
show me a clip of his projectiles following the same rule then, i know about the zone speed thing from mario tennis, i am more talking about his own self perseption
they are not listed as this one tap you are talking about in the profile tho
i mean, if nothing indicates that they wouldn't
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you aren't explaining anything, you're spreading false information my guy
I just told you, even if they somehow do, despite having very little screen time, Mario has his self-perception amps to circumvent any attempts at dodging
yes, but it can easily be restored in a few seconds by just batting away any sort of projectile or storing energy
this is why I mentioned both of his self-perception amps, in the event Zone Speed isn't fully charged yet, Mario can just use his other form of self-perception amp
"show me a clip of his projectiles following the same rule then", common sense in a versus setting should've answered that for you
but sure, here's a clip of his other variation in work
actually, if you're aware of Zone Speed and how it functions, then you don't even need to know how his other form of self-perception amp works, there's zero point arguing this
can you learn something about the verse
this site's standards had me remove invulnerability from any of his Invincibility power-ups and substitute it for Statistics Amplification, but it's common knowledge that any of Mario's Invincibility power-ups one shot any enemy, including the likes of Bowser himself, who is regarded as being physically superior to Mario
I showed you the clip that has proven that already
it's just an incon, don't have me tryna argue for 4 pages before you finally understand
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false information? that is quite the accusation
they have just as much as frisk after the geno run, they are the ones that control frisk during all the subsequent runs after the geno run in undertale
is it in character for him to use when attacked? the only link from this power on the profile just shows him using it to strike more precisely
chara has no projectiles tho
ok
i still see no proof that this other perception amp of mario follows the same rule tho
zone speed need to charge energy, so it will take a while before he can even use it
huh
ok
you didn't
it's just an wincon, don't have me tryna argue for 4 pages before you finally understand
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indeed it is
that doesn't matter, self-perception amps and other shit just handles Chara
is it in character-
yes, yes it is
especially if it's to benefit himself, why wouldn't he use it
and him using it to strike more precisely just proves my point further, Chara ain't dodging
read the last part of that sentence, I said he can also store energy for Zone Speed
he's also got Superguard, his Cape, and Hammer to reflect anything Chara throws at him
common sense, that's your proof
and it doesn't matter, as Zone Speed and Zone Shot already cover this
man has all the time in the world to charge energy for Zone Speed, Chara ain't doin anything to him before he uses Zone Speed again
learn about the verse, so we don't have to go in circles like what you're doing right now
I did, you just didn't look at it, or disregarded it
how tf you gon use what I say against me
Chara's "wincon" is as much of a "wincon" as Mario repeatedly freezing/one-tapping them, and Mario's got every advantage, minus a counter to Chara's LOAD/SAVE
it's an incon, plain and simple
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still need two more votes before grace can begin
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Mario would have won if the paint upgrades had gone through
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Show!
Dragonite007
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Incon FRA to end this
ZespeonGalaxy
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Strangeverse on their way to add an actual grace and wait for an actual conclusion instead of rushing to add the battle in each characters profile
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DaMonkeMan
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ShionAH
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He is kinda right I am mature enough to admit
ZespeonGalaxy
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We appreciate a person who can admit theyre wrong ESPECIALLY on vsbw
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very much appreciated, homieHe is kinda right I am mature enough to admit
and these votes have been counted
grace can finally begin
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grace is over, this can be added
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