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Crystal = Realm = Divine Domain = Microcosm of the World (2-A)
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maou gakuin no futekigousha Upgrade from 2-A to low 1-C
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No you cant, that goes against the very definition of an inaccessible. This would only be the case if the sets themselves were said to be equal to an inaccessible in size already. You can only reach an inaccessible via an axiom stating that you reached it in some way. This is mentioned and explained on both the tiering system page and on here as well.
Also, this is not the place to contend against Kandaquizorte's tier, since a thread about it was already accepted. You should address it in another CRT first and then come back to this one.
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This is just the obvious, when a character hits a structure and destroys it, does that mean everyone inside the structure will be killed? If a character within the structure has enough durability to resist the attack, it will simply survive.
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Not gonna give vote or oppinion yet
Btw, this wrong pain, at the very max it just will get higher dimension, because of higher infinity (uncountable infinite)
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Like ActuallySpaceMan, I can see 5D being fine; the wording fits the whole "subset" thing in our tiering system.
For 6-D, I don't think the evidence is enough. I remember DontTalkDT and Ultima Reality explaining why such cases would not necessarily be higher-dimensional.
Using DontTalk's explanations, assuming the bubbles are 5-D, doesn't make the silver sea 6-D from the math.
For 6-D, I don't think the evidence is enough. I remember DontTalkDT and Ultima Reality explaining why such cases would not necessarily be higher-dimensional.
Using DontTalk's explanations, assuming the bubbles are 5-D, doesn't make the silver sea 6-D from the math.
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Yeah, tbh the 5D looks very solid.
6D could be attempted later.
6D could be attempted later.
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It's only a day.
I suggest let this thread alive for one or two more days.
The verse supporter is probably currently busy, and closing this, especially without the OP presence is unreasonable imo.
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Ok, so if I'm not mistaken Everything12 is neutral, right?
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On 5D yes,
I also forgot that he called a few people so we can't close it yet. OP will close it when she is satisfied.
I also forgot that he called a few people so we can't close it yet. OP will close it when she is satisfied.
Abstractly_a_Protagonist
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He's neutral to 5D, and disagree with 6D.
Elizhaa agree with 5D, and neutral leaning to disagree with 6D.
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Does Pain also agree with 5D? He said he's right, but I don't know if he agrees.
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Well staffs vote is more important. If we take normal member vote we already got 20-30 agree so one disagree doesn't matter. Anyway at the end staffs is the one who decides it. So normal member agree or disagree doesn't gonna change that much.
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I'll read stuffs later because someone requested my input, the whole comments if can (since as expected from MGKF verse the thread goes crazy and cancerous).
EldemadeDityjon
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First let the verse get Above 2A
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Who knows in the future, and I'm kind of worried about the fact that it takes so long to launch the next WN arc.
EldemadeDityjon
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Well it is more Qualified for 1B than low 1C. But here thats like impossible.
EldemadeDityjon
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Send the links. Eliza and others can change their vote
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Yo broo, long time no see.
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@Pain_to12 @Everything12
Since you two disagreed with this, I'd like to know why that above was accepted while this one doesn't.
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It reminded me of Sinbad in a way, I would even one downgrade about plot manipulation because of the obvious uses of metaphors that said they're not allowed in MGK, but honestly, I'm too lazy for that.
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3 staffs agreed in there. If that's got accepted and this gets rejected because of some personal opinion i really can't say anything. Also not to mention this comment in there
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1. I don't care about chaos verse enough and if you feel they don't deserve it make a CRT
2. Two wrongs don't make a right
3. If the 2-A is valid then low 1-C is fine (5D)
4. I should probably make the crystal downgrade thread earlier than I should.
2. Two wrongs don't make a right
3. If the 2-A is valid then low 1-C is fine (5D)
4. I should probably make the crystal downgrade thread earlier than I should.
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That's not about chaos verse there are 3 staffs who got no problem with that. Well i guess when Dereck Wakes up I will ask him to tag them here that's seems better. Let them clarity you.
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Let me get this straight, the reason for this 5-D upgrade is that the layers can contain infinite 2-A structures?
While you want 6-D cause of it having another timeline or rather cause time moves slower in another dimension?
While you want 6-D cause of it having another timeline or rather cause time moves slower in another dimension?
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No 5D is that because 2-A is just a small subset for a bubble. 6D is because of another temporal dimension.
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Same thing I said so what's the point of disagreeing?
Also the reason for 6D of another temporal dimension is BS
As first time moving faster or slower in one aspect is not proof of another temporal dimensions, there are places in this universe where time is faster or slower that does not mean we have different temporal dimensions.
Also time stop not affecting another part means range problem.
To explain further another temporal dimension will be time moving in a different direction. So if time is moving forward the other time would be moving backwards.
Let's say you left the actual dimension where time moves forward and then decides to move to the other dimension where time moves backwards, and you are 20 years old, after 10 years in that dimensions you would have regressed back to a 10 years old.
Anyway like @Everything12 said, you dont have enough proof.
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You said layers I said bubbles
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What is it if it's not a temporal dimension?
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Needs to be a higher dimension with R>F
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Not my question tho? I asked what it is if it's not a temporal dimension.
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I reckon that the sanctuaries do not warrant a higher dimension. A microcosm is described as: "a thing, a place or a group that has all the features and qualities of something much larger" (Oxford Dictionary). Describing the sanctuaries as microcosms don't make the bubble worlds higher in dimensionality, but treats the sanctuaries as smaller parts in size, not dimensionality, of their overall being.
The second point I want to make regarding the Silver Sea is the nature of how its time works in the context of the bubble worlds and layers. From how it's being described, it sounds like the differing worlds, layers and Silver Sea operate on the same form of time, just at differing speeds. This sounds less like a higher-dimensional form of time and more like time dilation, which is the slowing of time in accordance with the observations of one compared to another. This is reinforced by the quotes mentioned by the OP:
In the Silver Water Holy Sea, 14,000 years ago. Before the God of Creation Militia was born, the name of that bubble world was Elenesia. That is, there is a discrepancy in time between the Silver Sea and the small world. From the perspective of the Militia World, it was roughly more than 700 million years ago--
"...Well, for example, when a day passes in the 7th of Elenesia, a year or even longer passes in the Militia World?" "Simply put, yes. However, I haven't been able to confirm any discrepancy in time between the small worlds we have visited so far and the Militia World. One second here in the 7th of Elenesia is exactly the same as one second in the Militia World." Sasha looked more and more puzzled. "Then, what do you mean?" "A discrepancy in time somehow occurred once. And now, it's back to normal, I guess." For example, if nearly 700 million years have passed only in the Militia World, while time has stopped in this Silver Sea, it would make sense. It's not certain if the Militia World accelerated or if the other small worlds stopped.
The discrepancy between the Silver Sea and the smaller worlds makes sense because they all abide by the concept of time via time dilation, as it makes it clear that each reality (bubble worlds, layers and the Silver Sea) exists within the dimensionality of each other, which would make them all 2-A, and thus 4-D. It even mentions that time in the Silver Sea is "stopping", not abiding by its own separate laws of time and dimensionality, but acting in accordance with time present in the bubble worlds. As a result, the Silver Sea, while having its own separate timeline, does not inherently have a higher-dimensional nature than the layers. If anything it would make the layers microcosms of the Silver Sea itself. They may be separate from one another, but they are not independent of one another.
In conclusion, based on the text and evidence I have presented, I disagree with the 5-D and 6-D proposals that the thread presents.
The second point I want to make regarding the Silver Sea is the nature of how its time works in the context of the bubble worlds and layers. From how it's being described, it sounds like the differing worlds, layers and Silver Sea operate on the same form of time, just at differing speeds. This sounds less like a higher-dimensional form of time and more like time dilation, which is the slowing of time in accordance with the observations of one compared to another. This is reinforced by the quotes mentioned by the OP:
In the Silver Water Holy Sea, 14,000 years ago. Before the God of Creation Militia was born, the name of that bubble world was Elenesia. That is, there is a discrepancy in time between the Silver Sea and the small world. From the perspective of the Militia World, it was roughly more than 700 million years ago--
"...Well, for example, when a day passes in the 7th of Elenesia, a year or even longer passes in the Militia World?" "Simply put, yes. However, I haven't been able to confirm any discrepancy in time between the small worlds we have visited so far and the Militia World. One second here in the 7th of Elenesia is exactly the same as one second in the Militia World." Sasha looked more and more puzzled. "Then, what do you mean?" "A discrepancy in time somehow occurred once. And now, it's back to normal, I guess." For example, if nearly 700 million years have passed only in the Militia World, while time has stopped in this Silver Sea, it would make sense. It's not certain if the Militia World accelerated or if the other small worlds stopped.
The discrepancy between the Silver Sea and the smaller worlds makes sense because they all abide by the concept of time via time dilation, as it makes it clear that each reality (bubble worlds, layers and the Silver Sea) exists within the dimensionality of each other, which would make them all 2-A, and thus 4-D. It even mentions that time in the Silver Sea is "stopping", not abiding by its own separate laws of time and dimensionality, but acting in accordance with time present in the bubble worlds. As a result, the Silver Sea, while having its own separate timeline, does not inherently have a higher-dimensional nature than the layers. If anything it would make the layers microcosms of the Silver Sea itself. They may be separate from one another, but they are not independent of one another.
In conclusion, based on the text and evidence I have presented, I disagree with the 5-D and 6-D proposals that the thread presents.
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The shrines that exist are described as being just a microcosm of the world and these countless shrines in the blue sky of the gods which is a dimension that exists in a space different from the mortal world, but still exists within the bubble which has infinite size just like the mortal world.And there is also a scan where it proves that the blue sky of the gods is infinite in size.
In short: The blue sky of the gods is just a small part of the bubble (world = universe) and there are countless shrines that are said to be microcosm of the bubble (world) where there is a sanctuary which is a 2-A structure that has already been accepted by the wiki. It would be the world of the future of the goddess Nafta
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