Maou Gakuin No Futekigousha (The Misfit of Demon King Academy) 2-A for Future World Crystal and Mortal World

[ImmortalDread]

Actually if no staff responds in some hours this thread can continue. I will make a new thread later on in the month, when I have the time and done with the novel, as that would gain attention of staffs.
Anyway, I still don't see how those possibilities exist physically as that would mean infinite anos, misha, Sacha e.t.c. exist and it was not even mentioned once in the series. Which everyone ignores or proceeds to use head canons to say "infinite anos exist the author just never told us about them" which is a ridiculous argument. Moving on

Also what chapter is this from

Did you really ignore the crystals, argument?

 

[Dereck03]

Actually if no staff responds in some hours this thread can continue. I will make a new thread later on in the month,

Fine ig, tho Maou has never suffered a downgrade so I would like to keep it that way.

when I have the time and done with the novel

Are you really going to read all this novel? Almost 700 WN chapters, awesome.

Anyway, I still don't see how those possibilities exist physically as that would mean infinite anos, misha, Sacha e.t.c. exist and it was not even mentioned once in the series.

The major proof is that these futures are explicitly equals to the world, and continue to maintain the shape of the world even when they change its form and even more so when it is known that Kandaquisort, being a sanctuary, is only a microcosm of the militia world.

 

[Dereck03]

Also what chapter is this from

Would like to answer but actually i don't know.

 

[ImmortalDread]

If you ask me, reading specific statements from novels and judging them based on them is just wrong. You should know the whole story to judge it.
But anyways, we need one staff input or?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Fine ig, tho Maou has never suffered a downgrade so I would like to keep it that way.

Give it time, it happens to everything

Are you really going to read all this novel? Almost 700 WN chapters, awesome.

Well ngl, it's a bit boring not much to go about.
He just stomps everything no challenge

The major proof is that these futures are explicitly equals to the world, and continue to maintain the shape of the world even when they change its form and even more so when it is known that Kandaquisort, being a sanctuary, is only a microcosm of the militia world.

It was spoken in specific context that do not necessarily mean they do exist.
Or you also think infinite versions of a the characters exist?

 

[Dereck03]

Give it time, it happens to everything

Never will happens to maou

Well ngl, it's a bit boring not much to go about.
He just stomps everything no challenge

Happens to everyone in first chapters tho. Exciting ones are when Anos leaves the militia world

It was spoken in specific context that do not necessarily mean they do exist.

It is the most explicitly explained that futures are compared to something, and they are compared to the world of militia as follows

Or you also think infinite versions of a the characters exist?

I don't think so. But i would appreciate more info regarding this as when anos says that he took power from the Anos of 2000 years ago and the gods of creation and destruction of 2000 years ago and the power of the actual himself from the present.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Never will happens to maou

Challenge accepted

Happens to everyone in first chapters tho. Exciting ones are when Anos leaves the militia world

I will look forward to it

It is the most explicitly explained that futures are compared to something, and they are compared to the world of militia as follows

My own explanation or understanding of that scene is that, the future is what shapes the present and past

I don't think so. But i would appreciate more info regarding this as when anos says that he took power from the Anos of 2000 years ago and the gods of creation and destruction of 2000 years ago and the power of the actual himself from the present.

Hmmmn I will check it out, but what the current claim is suggesting is that, all the anos nafta sees in the future physically exists and also currently fighting a nafta in his own timeline. Which the series never mentioned once

 

[Dereck03]

Challenge accepted

You can upgrade something if you find it along the way if you want tho.

My own explanation or understanding of that scene is that, the future is what shapes the present and past

Everything about the past is in the next arc which involves Land of Traces, let's wait until you get there.

Hmmmn I will check it out,

I posted the scan about Anos saying that, it's on Null's blog as well.

but what the current claim is suggesting is that, all the anos nafta sees in the future physically exists and also currently fighting a nafta in his own timeline. Which the series never mentioned once

Well, adding the context of this scan doesn't sound so far-fetched.

The order of the god of the future is the order that governs the future. Nafta's very existence preserves the order of the future. Hence, there is a blind spot in Naphta's divine eye. The present, which Nafta cannot see, is not seen as the future, even by Nafta, who is in earlier time.
　
Naphtah's voice was stern.

"The future in which Nafta does not exist is certainly different from a future in which she does exist. And it's not reflected in this divine eye."

 

[WarbleComeBack]

You don't like my attitude that's not my problem why do I have to bring something new when the previous op proves everything just have to look clearly don't wanna be rude so if I offended you with this text iam really sorry

They probably annoyed with you spamming the chat with random one offs after many people have been told not to in this thread alone (including me) that is annoying them. Sometimes you just gotta quiet down when people ask.

 

[WarbleComeBack]

Give it time, it happens to everything

Dereck and Null have worked very hard so that there is not a chance to downgrade, very strict with them.

edit: and Oblivion I believe he has also been there to correct wank or misunderstanding.

 

[Dereck03]

Dereck

Remove me from there. I have only given my humble opinion, everything else concerns Null, Oblivion and others who help. Although I am strict.

 

[Fixxed]

I will wait until tomorrow (8 hour until tomorrow in my place). If no response, we can add the change and close this thread, we already have 2 staff that agree with this. No need make this thread very very very long

Its tomorrow now and still no response. We can add the change

 

[wwereymy235]

Its tomorrow now and still no response. We can add the change

Dereck can now ping staff to review this thread, I think it’s better if he does that instead of applying changes without a 3rd staff approval

 

[Hajun]

They probably annoyed with you spamming the chat with random one offs after many people have been told not to in this thread alone (including me) that is annoying them. Sometimes you just gotta quiet down when people ask.

He is annoyed with my attitude not the chat i didn't spam something different from the topic from this thread it just that I will not use anything new why cause in the op every thing is explained I don't need to put some random part of the novel like just for new I will post whole ch 465 or what

 

[Hajun]

Bro I will tell you in a polite way listen carefully ok bro
Futures are possibilities ok so
Possibilities are worlds
And worlds are crystals and crystals is kandaquisort and kandaquisort is the many futures who's shape is same as militia so the main point is possibilities or everything is the same thing the worlds which is stated as same shape as militia so militia is 4D so the worlds are 4D in ch 465 I guess it is stated that thier is infinite possibilities so that's means infinite Worlds or infinite 4d worlds bro do you understand that possibilities are the worlds they already exist physically in nafta domain nafta pick one of the possibilities I hope you understand what I mean

Edit: I wrote to wrong person iam really sory

 

[Fixxed]

Dereck can now ping staff to review this thread, I think it’s better if he does that instead of applying changes without a 3rd staff approval

No, like i says, there are no guarentee they will appear. If we wait, this thread i think will be dead thread

 

[Hajun]

I think if we wait for staff this thread will become more mess and this thread will go forever like this but I still think one more staff approval will be better but IDK how much long this thread will last if we wait

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Can this be added now?

 

[Orioreeem]

Actually if no staff responds in some hours this thread can continue. I will make a new thread later on in the month, when I have the time and done with the novel, as that would gain attention of staffs.
Anyway, I still don't see how those possibilities exist physically as that would mean infinite anos, misha, Sacha e.t.c. exist and it was not even mentioned once in the series. Which everyone ignores or proceeds to use head canons to say "infinite anos exist the author just never told us about them" which is a ridiculous argument. Moving on

Also what chapter is this from

310
Doesn't the scan I posted prove that there is infinite Nafta because of how her precog works?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

No, like i says, there are no guarentee they will appear. If we wait, this thread i think will be dead thread

Agree. Pain said he will make a seperate thread no need to keep this thread pending.

 

[Tatsumi504]

@Pain_to12 @Dereck03 probably might be my last reply until this is applied but look what I found.

Remember this?

Chapter 310

「未来神の秩序は、未来を司る秩序。ナフタの存在そのものが、未来の秩序を保っている。ゆえに、ナフタの神眼めにも盲点があります。ナフタが見ることのできない現在は、それより以前の時間にいるナフタにも、未来として映りません」

　ナフタが厳かな声で言う。

「すなわち、ナフタが存在しない未来は、ナフタが存在する未来とは確かに異なる。そして、この神眼には映りません」

"The order of the god of the future is the order that governs the future. Nafta's very existence preserves the order of the future. Hence, there is a blind spot in Naphta's divine eye. The present, which Nafta cannot see, is not seen as the future, even by Nafta, who is in earlier time.
　
Naphtah's voice was stern.

"The future in which Nafta does not exist is certainly different from a future in which she does exist. And it's not reflected in this divine eye."

Pain has their own interpretation of this but ours is that nafta can't see any future in which she doesn't exist. As she's seeing the future through the eyes of her future selves.
Pain refutes this still but later on there's more blatant supporting evidence.

This next part should be at best 1 or 2 chapters away if not the exact same chapter.
Anos vs Diedrich (possessed by Nafta)

The magical power of destruction that I myself emit inside myself is far stronger than Diedrich's fist and Kandaquizorte's spear.

Only the Demon King can defeat the Demon King.

And he thought of a way to make me attack me.

And if you come this far, your victory will be unshakable.

The Sword Emperor must have certainly seen that future.

The 1-in-10,000 victory is already in hand.

As if to prove it, Diedrich's fist was swinging wildly.

I quickly reached out and picked up the hilt of my Levine girma, which was sheathed and thrust into him.

"Veneziara," he said.

At the same time as the magic was exercised, it was limited, and the future was tinged with the possibility of me keeping the sword in its scabbard.

I had been waiting for this moment.

A moment of time has passed.

I pull the sword Levine girma out of its scabbard.

The silvery white blade of the sword blinks, but the power of the Sword of the Almighty does not make me disappear.

And so, with the blade, I slice through Diedrich's divine eye.

"......Guahhhhhh......!!!!"

Fresh blood splatters, and Diedrich loses his light.

His body is possessed by the god of the future. Nafta's divine eye has lost sight of the future.

The spear of Kandaquizorte, which had pierced me, corroded black and crumbled to pieces.

When you can't see the future, you can't limit it.

"......Ah......."

His voice leaked out slightly.

"...but...but...wh-why...?"

As if inexplicable, Diedrich asks a question.

"Why couldn't Nafta's divine eyes see this future...?"
If there is only the possibility that the sword is sheathed in the future, then if you use <Hamemi kaben genjitsu kaihatsu venejiara> on it, it is as if you had not drawn the sword, even though you had drawn it, right?

＜If the sword is sheathed in the sheath, even if the sword is drawn, the power of the levine girma, which is the annihilation of the root of the person who drew the sword, will not be activated.

"Why ...... is ...... ......, why ......?"

Diedrich questioned, as if puzzled.

Why didn't Nafta's divine eye see this future ......?

If only he had seen it, he could have stopped the future limitation of not drawing his sword at that moment.

If he had done so, the <wavy body cover manifestation Veneziara> would have lost its effect and I would have disappeared.

"Isn't ...... Nafta's blind spot a future without her?"

I'm not sure how much I can do to help her, but I'm sure she'll be fine. The present, which Nafta cannot see, cannot be seen as the future, even by Nafta in an earlier time.

This is what she had said just a few moments before.

This future that we have arrived at does not have a part of Nafta's order, her divine eye. In other words, it was a blind spot that the past Nafta could not see.

The logic is very simple.

If you destroy the divine eye, you cannot see the future. Not even from the past.

But because they had the divine eye that could see the future, Nafta and Diedrich had been looking at it all the time and had not thought of that fact.

"……Really…………"

Essentially, this entire fight proves our point, said point being ;

• Nafta sees the future through the future versions of herself that exist.
• Nafta cannot see any future in which she doesn't exist in.

This very much proves infinite versions of Nafta exists in the infinite futures she sees which soles the issue of whether or not infinite versions of a character exist or not.

Furthermore, a blind spot isn't only created because she doesn't exist in a future, a blind spot is also formed as a result of her lacking a vital part of her order (her divine future eyes) which allows her to see the future. Meaning if a nafta from the future has her eyes damaged or closed then a Nafta in the past cannot see that future.

This alone coupled with the statement of Kandaquizorte being the embodiment of all futures and is equivalent to the worlds shape, along with other cases where manifested possibilities only exists as abstract existences while the futures nafta manifest take on a physical form, all prove the infinite possibilities/futures physically exist.

@Pain_to12 any reasonable counter arguments to this? Does this answer your questions on whether they exist or not?

 

[Tatsumi504]

Agree. Pain said he will make a seperate thread no need to keep this thread pending.

Hold on, today is the last day for sure.

 

[Fixxed]

Hold on, today is the last day for sure.

When pain come with his downgrade CRT, you can debate with him on that thread. This thread is going too long and just circle

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Hold on, today is the last day for sure.

No hate but this thread is so simple it should have been ended with two pages Max. Lmao we are at 5 th page and the same topic & reasoning is circling around. We have most agree. Don't see why need to drag this down to much. I know we Maou Gakuin supporters are too open hearted but this is just tiring.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

When pain come with his downgrade CRT, you can debate with him on that thread. This thread is going too long and just circle

Alright then, can this be added now?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Alright then, can this be added now?

Yeah it can be.

 

[Fixxed]

Alright then, can this be added now?

Yes, but i'm bad with editing

 

[Tatsumi504]

When pain come with his downgrade CRT, you can debate with him on that thread. This thread is going too long and just circle

No hate but this thread is so simple it should have been ended with two pages Max. Lmao we are at 5 th page and the same topic & reasoning is circling around. We have most agree. Don't see why need to drag this down to much. I know we Maou Gakuin supporters are too open hearted but this is just tiring.

Yeah it can be.

Alright then but lemme say this, the only we can change is Anos rating from 2-B to 2-A. We still need to create a separate CRT to change how we scale the other characters pre silver sea arc and silver sea arc and to change the possibly 2-A to Solid 2-A

 

[Firestorm808]

Sorry. Been busy with IRL stuff. Will work on this later tonight.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Yes, but i'm bad with editing

Is Anos profile even open? If possible it shouldn't be dereck that unlocks it.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Sorry. Been busy with IRL stuff. Will work on this later tonight.

Thank you, we appreciate the help.

 

[Dereck03]

Alright then but lemme say this, the only we can change is Anos rating from 2-B to 2-A. We still need to create a separate CRT to change how we scale the other characters pre silver sea arc and silver sea arc and to change the possibly 2-A to Solid 2-A

No, this will change every character who scales to Low 2-C via destroying universe to 2-A instead. Like deeper layer inhabitants now will become 2-A.

 

[Tatsumi504]

No, this will change every character who scales to Low 2-C via destroying universe to 2-A instead. Like deeper layer inhabitants now will become 2-A.

Don't we need a separate CRT to make this known? This only really affects EGA feat of smoking future world.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Oh well, if we don't need a separate one then to hell with it! Let the changes begin! Solid 2-A here we come.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

No, this will change every character who scales to Low 2-C via destroying universe to 2-A instead. Like deeper layer inhabitants now will become 2-A.

Don't forget Anos striking Strength and lifting strength

Don't we need a separate CRT to make this known? This only really affects EGA feat of smoking future world.

You don't need a seperate crt. Null blog already covers it.

 

[Dereck03]

No, every Low 2-C feat will become 2-A feat.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Don't forget Anos striking Strength and lifting strength

You don't need a seperate crt. Null blog already covers it.

Lifting strength remains as immeasurable

 

[Orioreeem]

Anos own feat of destroying land of traces would still be Low 2-C.

 

[Pekarchan]

This protractedness became annoying

 

[Tatsumi504]

Don't forget Anos striking Strength and lifting strength

You don't need a seperate crt. Null blog already covers it.

No, every Low 2-C feat will become 2-A feat.

Oh well, if we don't need a separate one then to hell with it! Let the changes begin! Solid 2-A here we come.

Let's, fooking, go!!!