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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Wait, if an attack that can destroy a 4D structure on layer 1 can just destroy a 3D structure on layer 2, wouldn't that mean that to destroy a 4D structure on layer 2 you should have an infinitely greater AP than the attack that could destroy a 4D structure on layer 1? So tier 1 Anos

Space-time destruction on layer 2>Infinity>3D destruction on layer 1>=Space-time destruction on layer 1>Infinity>3D destruction on layer 1
 
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Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Btw below thread you can easily scale bubble world bare minimum 4D (thanks to Infinitecosmology collecting some great information)


Then per chapter 498

It's clearly mentioned you can't perceive Silver Sea. Doesn't that make possibly higher dimensional?
Also need a special ship to enter and exit the Bubble world.

...... Sir is a resident of the shallow world. It is only natural that I, born in a deeper world, would be stronger than the Lord God of your world. However, it is hard to believe that someone from the same world would do such a thing. ......

Ronculus said, still in a tone of disbelief.

Let's say you could do it in a hundred steps. But when the Lord God chooses the head of state, the world evolves for the first time. The unevolved world is called the bubble world, and we cannot perceive the outside of the world.

"Well, you certainly couldn't see it. I merely hypothesized that there was an outside."

"If you destroyed the ...... Lord God, are you sure you're not a conformist or a misfit ......?

"Well, I've been called that before, haven't I?"

　I'm not sure what you mean by that.

　It's not just the world of the Militia that's affected, but apparently it's a common concept in the Silver Water Holy Sea.

It's hard to believe that ....... In the long history of the Silver Water Holy Sea, there has never been such a thing as a nonconformist being born in a bubble world that destroys the main gods,......, nor has there been such a thing as a person from a bubble world coming out to the outside,....... Isn't there some kind of mistake ......?

I don't know about you, but the ocean is big. I'm sure it happens.

"......... but .................."

　It seems that the process of getting out is a little different in my world than in others.

Well, we can talk about that later. But more importantly, do you understand the principles of entering and exiting a small world?

"...... Yes. The small world is lit by an orderly light called the Silver Lamp Ginto, which can only be seen from the outside. It is accompanied by invisible winds and waves of order, and by riding the currents it is possible to cross the world. However--"

　In the middle of Ronculus' explanation, I soared into the sky and flew toward the black sky.

Possibly a different timelines exist in Silver Sea

There's a good chance that Anos' previous life wasn't in the Militia, but somewhere in the depths, right? Is it possible to get back his memories from that time?　　Maybe then we can find out more about Pablo Hetara. ......"
　It seems that you've been listening carefully to my earlier conversation with Misha.
If he had known he was going to be reincarnated, he might have left his memories behind somewhere. I'm sure you've heard of it.
Thunder Eye of the Destroyed Purple Meshi
The magic pearl and the scarlet marrow pathetique, which contain the thunder eyes of the annihilation purple mess, must have contained not only power, but also memories.
　In the past, it was known that the reincarnation of the silica would be incomplete.
　So it's natural to assume that he was prepared for this.
It depends on when I died in my previous life in the Silver Water Holy Sea. If it was before the world of Elesia was reborn as the world of Militia, the order of reincarnation would be infinitely weaker.
But the Militia World was created 700 million years ago, right?
In the Silver Water Holy Sea, it's only about fourteen thousand years ago."
　Sasha had a questioning look on his face.
　Misha then explained.
"Because Luna fell into the Elesian world 14,000 years ago.
But the Militia world was created. But I'm pretty sure that the Militia world is 700 million years old since its creation. ......?
I guess time is out of sync.
...... So, for example, for every day that passes here in the Seventh Elesia, a year or even longer passes in the Militia?
The short answer is yes. However, I have not been able to confirm any discrepancy in time between the small worlds I have visited so far and the Militia world. One second here in the Seventh Elesia is exactly the same as one second in the Militia.
Sasha became more and more dubious.
What do you mean then?
"Once there was a time lag for some reason. And now it's back to normal, I guess.
　For example, it would make sense if only the Militia world passed nearly 700 million years while the time in this Silver Sea was stopped.
　It's not clear if the Militia world accelerated or if the other small worlds stopped.
That brings me to my third point of concern.
Not today."

Low end Possibly 5D or 6D Silver Sea.
It's not a bad meta as we got all explanation for whole thing.
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By this we should atleast get 5D rating 🥱
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Wait, if an attack that can destroy a 4D structure on layer 1 can just destroy a 3D structure on layer 2, wouldn't that mean that to destroy a 4D structure on layer 2 you should have an infinitely greater AP than the attack that could destroy a 4D structure on layer 1? So tier 1 Anos

Space-time destruction on layer 2>Infinity>3D destruction on layer 1>=Space-time destruction on layer 1>Infinity>3D destruction on layer 1
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Funny thing it's not just space time even laws and concepts of deeper layers are above everything.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Wait, if an attack that can destroy a 4D structure on layer 1 can just destroy a 3D structure on layer 2, wouldn't that mean that to destroy a 4D structure on layer 2 you should have an infinitely greater AP than the attack that could destroy a 4D structure on layer 1? So tier 1 Anos

Space-time destruction on layer 2>Infinity>3D destruction on layer 1>=Space-time destruction on layer 1>Infinity>3D destruction on layer 1
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Hey.... This is kinda interesting 🤔
 
Dereck03 said:
Hey.... This is kinda interesting 🤔
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Militia World (4D) = 3D space + 1D timeline
Azure sky of gods exists above that and they maintain the order is the world.
Azure sky of gods has countless realms like Future world
So by concluding we should consider they could have seperate timeline as per seperate gods rules over them.
It's already a multiverse bubble.

Silver Sea > bubble world and can't be perceived by bubble world inhabitants.

Only Lord God perceive the outside world then create a mean to enter and exit the bubble.

Technically you can argue for 5D for Silver Sea low end.
I would consider silver sea layers as higher dimensional existence by majority of information we got still low end it should scale to 5D. Also there is a possibility of seperate timeline existing in Silver Sea.

So Possible 6D Silver Sea.

About layers people are not understanding

Layer 2 world(infinite) > layer 1World
Layer 3 world(infinite)> ∞ > layer 1World
Layer 4 world(infinite)> ∞ > ∞ > layer 1World

This logic doesn't even make sense we should consider layers as higher dimensional atleast in AP by statement we got.

Also existence of character reside in Sources so we can consider that as an higher dimensional existence if we want.
Layer 1 can't affect source(Existence) of layer 2 because they are higher levels of existence.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Wait, if an attack that can destroy a 4D structure on layer 1 can just destroy a 3D structure on layer 2, wouldn't that mean that to destroy a 4D structure on layer 2 you should have an infinitely greater AP than the attack that could destroy a 4D structure on layer 1? So tier 1 Anos

Space-time destruction on layer 2>Infinity>3D destruction on layer 1>=Space-time destruction on layer 1>Infinity>3D destruction on layer 1
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This would boost him in tier 2, but won't reach tier 1, still not sure if we know difference between layers, like layer 1 and layer 2
 
Lormac_CC said:
This would boost him in tier 2, but won't reach tier 1, still not sure if we know difference between layers, like layer 1 and layer 2
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At least we know if someone is able of destroying a universe (4-D) in a layer 1, the later wouldn't be able of destroying a simple 3-D object in layer 2
 
Dereck03 said:
At least we know if someone is able of destroying a universe (4-D) in a layer 1, the later wouldn't be able of destroying a simple 3-D object in layer 2
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What do you think about this?
About layers people are not understanding

Layer 2 world(infinite) > layer 1World
Layer 3 world(infinite)> ∞ > layer 1World
Layer 4 world(infinite)> ∞ > ∞ > layer 1World

This logic doesn't even make sense we should consider layers as higher dimensional atleast in AP by statement we got.

Also existence of character reside in Sources so we can consider that as an higher dimensional existence if we want.
Layer 1 can't affect source(Existence) of layer 2 because they are higher levels of existence.

Anos order couldn't affect magic bullet world order source.

I put the fist of the Deep Source Death Kill Vebzd into his bank. Gigi's body floated slightly, but the order of this magic bullet world could not hurt even a thin layer of skin.

"It doesn't work. You still don't understand the truth of my world."

"What are you talking about?"

　I open my fist. The fires of the apocalypse burned brightly.

Deep Source Death Kill Bevsud He grabbed and hid the Extreme Hell Destroyer Ashes Gun Egil Gloane Angdrois, which was activated at the same time as the Deep Source Death Kill Bevsud.

　He was about to unleash a magic bullet, but he quickly switched to anti-magic.

　Immediately after, the apocalyptic fire engulfed his body.

If you think I still can't adapt to this world, then the abyssal army's analysis is no big deal.

　Behind me, the turrets of the magic circle lined up in a row.

　There are ten and four of them. I'm not sure what to make of it.

"The Extreme Hell World Destroying Cinder Gun Egil Gloane Angdrois."

　The fires of the apocalypse attacked the Grand Admiral one after another.
 
They only think it was referring to layer 1 and 21 because it was explained in layer 21, but the difference applies to all layers, so where do you think we get all of Anos' haxs and the things related to 99*Uncontably
 
Dereck03 said:
They only think it was referring to layer 1 and 21 because it was explained in layer 21, but the difference applies to all layers, so where do you think we get all of Anos' haxs and the things related to 99*Uncontably
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Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
What do you think about this?
About layers people are not understanding

Layer 2 world(infinite) > layer 1World
Layer 3 world(infinite)> ∞ > layer 1World
Layer 4 world(infinite)> ∞ > ∞ > layer 1World

This logic doesn't even make sense we should consider layers as higher dimensional atleast in AP by statement we got.

Also existence of character reside in Sources so we can consider that as an higher dimensional existence if we want.
Layer 1 can't affect source(Existence) of layer 2 because they are higher levels of existence.

Anos order couldn't affect magic bullet world order source.

I put the fist of the Deep Source Death Kill Vebzd into his bank. Gigi's body floated slightly, but the order of this magic bullet world could not hurt even a thin layer of skin.

"It doesn't work. You still don't understand the truth of my world."

"What are you talking about?"

　I open my fist. The fires of the apocalypse burned brightly.

Deep Source Death Kill Bevsud He grabbed and hid the Extreme Hell Destroyer Ashes Gun Egil Gloane Angdrois, which was activated at the same time as the Deep Source Death Kill Bevsud.

　He was about to unleash a magic bullet, but he quickly switched to anti-magic.

　Immediately after, the apocalyptic fire engulfed his body.

If you think I still can't adapt to this world, then the abyssal army's analysis is no big deal.

　Behind me, the turrets of the magic circle lined up in a row.

　There are ten and four of them. I'm not sure what to make of it.

"The Extreme Hell World Destroying Cinder Gun Egil Gloane Angdrois."

　The fires of the apocalypse attacked the Grand Admiral one after another.
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Can you take a look at this 😈
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Can you take a look at this 😈
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I'm not sure about what to say about AP.... For me it would be fine to consider it as you say, but the wiki standards do not accept it as such, more evidence would be relevant.

And Yeah, Anos has to deepen his conceptual manipulation in order to affect deeper concepts, but that's due to the difference between the powers of concepts in layers, but it's too vague yet we need more info
 
Come to think the CRT for tier 1 anos was made in February 2021 I think? I don't remember, now we have more info and relevant information but it's seem that's not enough yet
 
Dereck03 said:
I'm not sure about what to say about AP.... For me it would be fine to consider it as you say, but the wiki standards do not accept it as such, more evidence would be relevant.
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Yeah
Dereck03 said:
And Yeah, Anos has to deepen his conceptual manipulation in order to affect deeper concepts, but that's due to the difference between the powers of concepts in layers
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But i am talking about existence.
Deeper layers existence (source) can't be affected by shallow layer beings because of AP and order. Also hierarchy of Silver Sea. The thing is Anos couldn't touch Gigi source.
Well this is just some of my explanation 😈
Still got some more but i am gonna drop it next month along with LN
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Wait, if an attack that can destroy a 4D structure on layer 1 can just destroy a 3D structure on layer 2, wouldn't that mean that to destroy a 4D structure on layer 2 you should have an infinitely greater AP than the attack that could destroy a 4D structure on layer 1? So tier 1 Anos

Space-time destruction on layer 2>Infinity>3D destruction on layer 1>=Space-time destruction on layer 1>Infinity>3D destruction on layer 1
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This was the reasoning for first 1-B thread. It got rejected.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
But i am talking about existence.
Deeper layers existence (source) can't be affected by shallow layer beings because of AP and order. Also hierarchy of Silver Sea. The thing is Anos couldn't touch Gigi source.
Well this is just some of my explanation 😈
Still got some more but i am gonna drop it next month along with LN
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It makes sense that they are superior existences that cannot be affected by existences inferior to them, but I can relate this in general with the difference of layers, in general everything will be at another level of existence or as I personally call it (higher realities), while with AP the difference i already explained in a previous comment, the concepts are something else even deeper... Yeah it makes sense that Anos in the beginning couldn't affect gigi's source (concept) until he adapted his cm to that level, I dont think it has much to do with the deeper inhabitants being HDE
 
Dereck03 said:
It makes sense that they are superior existences that cannot be affected by existences inferior to them, but I can relate this in general with the difference of layers, in general everything will be at another level of existence or as I personally call it (higher realities), while with AP the difference i already explained in a previous comment, the concepts are something else even deeper... Yeah it makes sense that Anos in the beginning couldn't affect gigi's source (concept) until he adapted his cm to that level, I dont think it has much to do with the deeper inhabitants being HDE
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I got some more scans and explanation. I will drop it next time. I need to translate those. Google translator sucks. Also it's hard to remember the chapter also.

Btw same thought as you.
 
Actually i already checked the 1B thread it was poorly done with less information and rush. (No offense)
But currently we can argue for 1B but let's Wait for next month.
 
Lormac_CC said:
Yes, almost forgot this

Null used the fire dew flowing evenly agurment and it just didn't make any sense that day. But now I believe he has between agurment for it
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Personally the explanations and arguments from that time make more sense now and are easier to understand because of all the information we currently have..... It only remains to wait for this volume of the LN to help us.
 
Ah, also if for some reason we manage to upgrade Anos to tier 1, we will need a reliable friend who wants to downgrade him again, so I'm counting on you Lormac.... Since Ancientking (he was a good knowledgeable member of the verse) disappeared a long time ago
 
Dereck03 said:
Personally the explanations and arguments from that time make more sense now and are easier to understand because of all the information we currently have..... It only remains to wait for this volume of the LN to help us.
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Still a month to go 😑
 
XarxesBreak said:
Possibility of the bubble should be an endless Multiverse, because huge of the bubble is described as endless (Endless space-time continuums)
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Iirc there's a chance to get 2-C universes and if I'm not wrong possibly 2-B universes.... Kinda crazy tho 🤔👀
 
Hey guys. Do you guys think that Anos passives are faster than immeasurable or not? Based on what he has previously affected or negated before. (Mostly referring to his chaotic eyes)
 
Anos' Magic Eyes of Chaotic Destruction are listed as seemingly automatic mostly based on the following:

Magic power gathered in Eques' whole body.

"I will steal the order that empowers thee from this three-sided world [Demon King Garden]." (Eques)

The Wheelwork Assembled God is filled with a copper-coloured glow.

"Behold, foreign body of the world. The [Cogwheel of Fate] has already begun to turn. No one can escape from this law. Bertexfemblem forces thee to a single fate." (Eques)

The [Cogwheel of Fate] scatters dark brown light.

"It is defeat." (Eques)

Copper cogwheels are embedded everywhere in the three-sided world.
Everywhere in the sky, on the ground surface, in the towns of ice, in the forests, and in the mountains, that [Cogwheel of Fate] began to turn.

"If thou dost make a single movement, the three-sided world [Demon King Garden], along with the Order of Creation, will shatter fragilely and disappear. That is what Bertexfemblem has just determined, a fate that can never be escaped, and can never be overturned." (Eques)

A foreign order envelops me.
The [Cogwheel of Fate] was turning, making an ominous sound.

Eques raised his hands grandly.

"Fate turns for the sake of the world [Beld Rase Femblem]." (Eques)

The copper cogwheels make a creaking sound.
It was trying to forcibly distort the order of the three-sided world created by Misha.

"Be overwhelmed and crushed by the [Cogwheel of Fate], foreign body of the world." (Eques)

A magic circle of cogwheels is drawn, and the connected copper wheels rotate.
While violently breaking the ground surface, it quickly swelled to a huge size.

"Divine World Cogwheel Control Wheel [Boros Hetero Arvis]." (Eques)

Making an ominous sound, and breaking the ground of ice, the copper wheel slowly approaches.
The dark brown sparks that roll up with every rotation vividly dye the three-sided world.

The divine wheel was trying to bite into my body, as if to run me over, and I was grabbing hold of it with both hands.

"--Now, in accordance with the [Cogwheel of Fate], it is time to perish. The temporary world, created by the God of Creation." (Eques)

Eques said as if he was convinced of victory.

I immediately knocked down the Divine World Cogwheel Control Wheel [Boros Hetero Arvis], and crushed it with all my strength.

A violent sound that shook the earth echoed.
The [Demon King Garden]--has not perished.

"...H..." (Eques)

One step, I stepped forward towards Eques.

"...H... ow...?" (Eques)

Eques muttered dumbfoundedly.

"...How... are you walking...? In the midst of Fate turns for the sake of the world [Beld Rase Femblem]..." (Eques)

"In this [Demon King Garden], I can slightly open this magic eye." (Anos)

I said, and walked straight to him.

My left eye was dyed in destructive purple, with a dark cross appearing in the abyss.

It is the [Magic Eye of Chaotic Destruction].

It was destroying the order of Fate turns for the sake of the world [Beld Rase Femblem].

"Before my eyes, everything will perish. Order, reason, and you, Eques." (Anos)

"...Such an order does not exist..." (Eques)

The cogwheel's magic eyes were dyed with astonishment, and he spilled his words in confusion.

"...No matter what kind of magic eyes you use, your fate is determined. Before thou can do anything, Fate turns for the sake of the world [Beld Rase Femblem] will be activated, and the [Demon King Garden] will be destroyed..." (Eques)

"I'm saying I destroyed the reason of Fate turns for the sake of the world [Beld Rase Femblem]." (Anos)

"...It cannot be destroyed. It's not that it's too late or too early, but that fate is determined before it. Even if you go back to the past before the creation of the world and use your power, the [Cogwheel of Fate] will destroy the [Demon King Garden] before that..." (Eques)

"Kuhaha. Do you have such blind belief in order that you can't believe what's happening before your eyes? Look more properly into the abyss with the divine eyes of that perforated cogwheel." (Anos)

I suddenly stopped.

"You who determined fate, and I who destroyed reason. The two powers were contradictory. Therefore I won." (Anos)

I lightly raise my foot, and firmly step on the ground.
At that moment, all the copper cogwheels embedded in the ground shattered and disappeared simultaneously.

"Contradiction is chaos, that is, my domain." (Anos)

If there's a contradiction between the [Magic Eye of Chaotic Destruction] and the reason that must be destroyed, I will win unilaterally.

It's that simple.
Compared to the reason which makes a single event certainly happen, it's far more advantageous for the [Magic Eye of Chaotic Destruction] which makes this event never happen.

Additionally, the contradiction turns into the power of the [Magic Eye of Chaotic Destruction].
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**I personally am no longer completely sure whether or not either of Anos' magic eyes are actually automatic tho.
 
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I'mma just adrees what I was talking with Null here

"...No matter what kind of magic eyes you use, your fate is determined. Before thou can do anything, Fate turns for the sake of the world [Beld Rase Femblem] will be activated, and the [Demon King Garden] will be destroyed..." (Eques)

"I'm saying I destroyed the reason of Fate turns for the sake of the world [Beld Rase Femblem]." (Anos)

"...It cannot be destroyed. It's not that it's too late or too early, but that fate is determined before it. Even if you go back to the past before the creation of the world and use your power, the [Cogwheel of Fate] will destroy the [Demon King Garden] before that..." (Eques)
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Anos' Eyes are faster than fate and fate is neither fast nor very slow/there is nothing so early or so late, fate is always determined so it is faster than something that is already determined forever.

So, Eques [Beld Rase Femblem] seems to be an immeasurable passive/ability as its way faster than basically Instantaneous and with the context I said in my previous comments, then if that is true then we can scale Anos eyes of chaotic above or at immeasurable

Also talking about eques speed, he's immeasurable speed based on what I can see in Anos profile, also his spear, his ability / passive should be immeasurable too based in the context of the ability

Thoughs on this guys?
 
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