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Manifold CRT 2: Electric Boogalo (Anna Edition)

Ok, just to recap.

Attack Potency
  • As it spreads at the speed of light, it would be cover 300.000km in 1 second, which would be Low 4-C.
  • Over an infinite amount of time it would grow to an infinite size regrdless of whether then universe is infinite or infinitely expanding, making it H 3-A over time.
Abilities
  • Physics Manipulation (All physics would be vastly different in true vacuum)
  • Energy Manipulation (All energy is zero in true vacuum)
  • Gravity Manipulation (Gravity is far more intense inside the bubble)
  • Quantum Manipulation (Quantum tunneling allows for the bubble to expand)
  • Spatial Manipulation (The space inside the bubble is vastly different than that of the universe)
  • Deconstruction (Everything that comes into contact with the bubble will be completely destroyed)
Possible Abilities
  • Void Manipulation (As it reduces energy to zero, the space within the bubble would be a void)
  • Existence Erasure; Not entirely sure on this one. Probably not as things don't necessarily get erased. They just have vastly different properties which aren't comparable to "existence" as we know it in our universe. Edit: It also erases all energy.
  • Transmutation (Matter drastically changes their properties under the new laws of physics, likely to fully deintigrate as not even chemistry will be applicable or at least as we know it)
Range
  • Universal (Will eventually engulf an infinite volume)

Please tell me if I missed something or if you disagree. I will adjust this accordingly.
 
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RatherClueless said:
What do you even mean by that? The general assumption is that our universe is both infinite and ever expanding (ΛCDM). Also, are you currently implying the author is wrong about the size of the universe in their own story, being hyperbolic without even knowing it? Like, I am genuenly asking because I am not sure that I understood what you meant to say here.

Edit: Especiall that last, highlited part.
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It is clear by the wording, please read it again. The general assumption is not that our universe is infinite, that is a theory that you cannot tell others to subscribe to, people may only do so on an individual level like they can buy into many other similar theories while everyone else can give as much value to it as they may evaluate. Yes, I am saying that, but it's clear by the kinda dramatic way you portray that and the fact that you're portraying it in your own way as a question that my reasons might not have been fairly taken in.
RatherClueless said:
Is that supposed to mean that unless the verse specifically uses the word "size", we can not assume it is infinite?
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No, that is too specific. It just means a series that says it's infinite a number of times but it's proven that it's not infinite, or it is unlikely for that to be the case.
 
RatherClueless said:
Ok, just to recap.

Attack Potency
  • As it spreads at the speed of light, it would be cover 300.000km in 1 second, which would be Low 4-C.
  • Over an infinite amount of time it would grow to an infinite size regrdless of whether then universe is infinite or infinitely expanding, making it H 3-A over time.
Abilities
  • Physics Manipulation (All physics would be vastly different in true vacuum)
  • Energy Manipulation (All energy is zero in true vacuum)
  • Gravity Manipulation (Gravity is far more intense inside the bubble)
  • Quantum Manipulation (Quantum tunneling allows for the bubble to expand)
  • Spatial Manipulation (The space inside the bubble is vastly different than that of the universe)
  • Deconstruction (Everything that comes into contact with the bubble will be completely destroyed)
Possible Abilities
  • Void Manipulation (As it reduces energy to zero, the space within the bubble would be a void)
  • Existence Erasure; Not entirely sure on this one. Probably not as things don't necessarily get erased. They just have vastly different properties which aren't comparable to "existence" as we know it in our universe. Edit: It also erases all energy.
  • Transmutation (Matter drastically changes their properties under the new laws of physics, likely to fully deintigrate as not even chemistry will be applicable or at least as we know it)
Range
  • Universal (Will eventually engulf an infinite volume)

Please tell me if I missed something or if you disagree. I will adjust this accordingly.
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This might aswell be your crt, because you carried the bloody hell out of it. Thanks man, truly.
 
Eficiente said:
It is clear by the wording, please read it again.
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I have read it several times and even asked others whether they understand what you meant. No, it was not clear. Otherwise I wouldn't have asked. I also didn't I want to end up strawmanning you, which is why I made sure.

Eficiente said:
The general assumption is not that our universe is infinite, that is a theory that you cannot tell others to subscribe to, people may only do so on an individual level like they can buy into many other similar theories while everyone else can give as much value to it as they may evaluate.
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The Lambda-CMD model is, in fact, the standard model for big bing cosmology and has been for decades. I get why we don't use it for VSBW purposes (even if I disagree with that), but saying it isn't the general assumption is just wrong.

Eficiente said:
Yes, I am saying that
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Alright, in that case, let me actually give a reply and say that I strongly disagree with that. Saying the author is not only hyperbolic, but also clearly doesn't mean the thing they meant, to then insert our own headcanon as to what they actually meant is a bit . . . much. Not only does this go way beyond "death of the author", but this is an author talking about vacuum decay, gravitational lensing, big crunches, gravitational collapses and mathematical universes. Saying "oh, they actually meant something else when they said that" with 0 evidence outside of "people irl can make weird statements" seems quite out there.

Anyways. It doesn't really matter much as it would be H3-A regardless of whether the universe is finite and endlessly expanding or infinte to begin with.
 
Pain_to12 said:
But I still don’t know why give a tier for something that would take infinite time to do?
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Well, we certainly give tiers for feats that happen over a very long time. Like I said before, I have no idea how the standards are for "over infinite time" feats. However, it would grow to that size eventually, so I don't see an issue with indexing it as that.
 
It's not like she can ever be used in battles anyways, since its an attack that instantly kills her.
 
What are the conclusions here so far?
 
Everything seems to be agreed upon (outside of Effi) --> L2-C is now H3-A, and a bunch of new added hax from Rather which includes a potential existence erasure.
 
RatherClueless said:
Ok, just to recap.

Attack Potency
  • As it spreads at the speed of light, it would be cover 300.000km in 1 second, which would be Low 4-C.
  • Over an infinite amount of time it would grow to an infinite size regrdless of whether then universe is infinite or infinitely expanding, making it H 3-A over time.
Abilities
  • Physics Manipulation (All physics would be vastly different in true vacuum)
  • Energy Manipulation (All energy is zero in true vacuum)
  • Gravity Manipulation (Gravity is far more intense inside the bubble)
  • Quantum Manipulation (Quantum tunneling allows for the bubble to expand)
  • Spatial Manipulation (The space inside the bubble is vastly different than that of the universe)
  • Deconstruction (Everything that comes into contact with the bubble will be completely destroyed)
Possible Abilities
  • Void Manipulation (As it reduces energy to zero, the space within the bubble would be a void)
  • Existence Erasure; Not entirely sure on this one. Probably not as things don't necessarily get erased. They just have vastly different properties which aren't comparable to "existence" as we know it in our universe. Edit: It also erases all energy.
  • Transmutation (Matter drastically changes their properties under the new laws of physics, likely to fully deintigrate as not even chemistry will be applicable or at least as we know it)
Range
  • Universal (Will eventually engulf an infinite volume)

Please tell me if I missed something or if you disagree. I will adjust this accordingly.
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RatherClueless said:
basically everything in my recap except potentially EE (I edited it, specifying that it also technically erases energy)

currently the only person who still seems to have an issue is Eficiente, so I guess we are waiting on him?
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@Everything12 @Duedate8898 @Planck69 @KingTempest

Your help with evaluating this thread would be appreciated.
 
Thank you for helping out. It is appreciated.
 
Cool, sorry I was busy finishing up finals and stuff. I think all of this looks good
RatherClueless said:
Ok, just to recap.

Attack Potency
  • As it spreads at the speed of light, it would be cover 300.000km in 1 second, which would be Low 4-C.
  • Over an infinite amount of time it would grow to an infinite size regrdless of whether then universe is infinite or infinitely expanding, making it H 3-A over time.
Abilities
  • Physics Manipulation (All physics would be vastly different in true vacuum)
  • Energy Manipulation (All energy is zero in true vacuum)
  • Gravity Manipulation (Gravity is far more intense inside the bubble)
  • Quantum Manipulation (Quantum tunneling allows for the bubble to expand)
  • Spatial Manipulation (The space inside the bubble is vastly different than that of the universe)
  • Deconstruction (Everything that comes into contact with the bubble will be completely destroyed)
Possible Abilities
  • Void Manipulation (As it reduces energy to zero, the space within the bubble would be a void)
  • Existence Erasure; Not entirely sure on this one. Probably not as things don't necessarily get erased. They just have vastly different properties which aren't comparable to "existence" as we know it in our universe. Edit: It also erases all energy.
  • Transmutation (Matter drastically changes their properties under the new laws of physics, likely to fully deintigrate as not even chemistry will be applicable or at least as we know it)
Range
  • Universal (Will eventually engulf an infinite volume)

Please tell me if I missed something or if you disagree. I will adjust this accordingly.
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I think I'm just iffy on Void Manipulation and EE, because I feel like the void is more a byproduct of all the other abilities working and not just something by itself and EE seems like it might be covered by transmutation for the most part.
 
Thank you. Can somebody write a tally of who thinks what here please?
 
Antvasima said:
Thank you. Can somebody write a tally of who thinks what here please?
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Eficiente agreed to the abilities but disagreed with the “eventually H3A key” for obvious reasons I guess
You can tag him to ask what he thinks about 3A, since that’s what I support also

Duedate and I disagreed with the EE I guess, while the rest is fine

Ratherclueless agreed with everything in the post below including the H3A
RatherClueless said:
Ok, just to recap.

Attack Potency
  • As it spreads at the speed of light, it would be cover 300.000km in 1 second, which would be Low 4-C.
  • Over an infinite amount of time it would grow to an infinite size regrdless of whether then universe is infinite or infinitely expanding, making it H 3-A over time.
Abilities
  • Physics Manipulation (All physics would be vastly different in true vacuum)
  • Energy Manipulation (All energy is zero in true vacuum)
  • Gravity Manipulation (Gravity is far more intense inside the bubble)
  • Quantum Manipulation (Quantum tunneling allows for the bubble to expand)
  • Spatial Manipulation (The space inside the bubble is vastly different than that of the universe)
  • Deconstruction (Everything that comes into contact with the bubble will be completely destroyed)
Possible Abilities
  • Void Manipulation (As it reduces energy to zero, the space within the bubble would be a void)
  • Existence Erasure; Not entirely sure on this one. Probably not as things don't necessarily get erased. They just have vastly different properties which aren't comparable to "existence" as we know it in our universe. Edit: It also erases all energy.
  • Transmutation (Matter drastically changes their properties under the new laws of physics, likely to fully deintigrate as not even chemistry will be applicable or at least as we know it)
Range
  • Universal (Will eventually engulf an infinite volume)

Please tell me if I missed something or if you disagree. I will adjust this accordingly.
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I've messaged Nik_Faris and Swerzye regarding the crt to see their reviewed opinion since the changes to the crt, but i am unable to get a hold of AperonTrust, could someone message them or just ping all 3 here?
 
After reading it back, I agree with what being propose by Ratherclueless. I am not sure how we treat overtime for tier 3 but I think since it can be done anyway, there no reason to completely disregard the notion of high 3A for Anna (I agree with her being 3A eventually high 3A). I agree with the all the abilities propose. (Neutral about void manipulation but if many agree then sure)
 
I am entirely unfamiliar with the verse and would rather not get involved in it.
 
Jibz said:
can i change her intelligence rating to Supergenius with better justification, because she along with the other Blue chlidren:

Created a tardis esque home with an infinite volume and altered time flow, on the moon.
Created a planet destroying weapon with old car parts.
A way to store billions of tons of neutron star in a small surface that a 16yr old could hold.
A brand new language that superseded all other languages in terms of efficency.
And a ship that travelled to the Moon in three days, with said ship withstanding nukes
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Would also like thoughts on this aswell
 
Jibz said:
Would also like thoughts on this aswell
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"At least Extraordinary Genius, possibly Supergenius." is probably fine, given the first of your mentioned feats.
 
I'd rather put the bubble itself at something like "Varies, will eventually become 3-A," and then note that its 3-A rating is ever-expanding rather than some fixed value. While, as far as I see, the bubble will keep expanding infinitely, I don't think rating it at High 3-A is very reasonable, since an infinite amount of time would never actually come to pass. I'd only be fine with that suggestion if the bubble covered all of infinite space in finite time.
 
Ultima_Reality said:
since an infinite amount of time would never actually come to pass. I'd only be fine with that suggestion if the bubble covered all of infinite space in finite time.
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tbf the inf time had passed since they stated it'd "eventually" encompass the universe in Manifold:Time, and that in Manifold : Origin and Manifold : Space it already had at that point. Though this may just be my own bias talking (and the fact i just want this thread to be done as soon as possible) so im inclined to know what others think
 
Ultima_Reality said:
I'd rather put the bubble itself at something like "Varies, will eventually become 3-A," and then note that its 3-A rating is ever-expanding rather than some fixed value. While, as far as I see, the bubble will keep expanding infinitely, I don't think rating it at High 3-A is very reasonable, since an infinite amount of time would never actually come to pass. I'd only be fine with that suggestion if the bubble covered all of infinite space in finite time.
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Thank you for helping out.

Should Ultima's suggestions be applied then?
 
I'm unsure as to whether Ultima has the misconceived notion as to whether or not the "inf time" actually comes to pass (it does) as he says this:
Ultima_Reality said:
I don't think rating it at High 3-A is very reasonable, since an infinite amount of time would never actually come to pass.
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But he also said that he'd only be fine with it if the bubble expanded an infinite distance in finite time so it seems that he disagrees regardless, so im not too sure.
 
ill settle for 3-A if it means the tiers are less controversial and more accurate, and to close this asap because i dislike me having too many open crt's at once. Is the proposed hax (except for those denied) accepted as well as the intelligence rating.
 
Jibz said:
Also since spatial manip seems to be rejected for begrudgingly fair reasons. Here's a better form of justification. Anna and the other blue children create a safe haven on the moon described as having an infinite volume on the inside with a finite size on the outside, furthermore the time inside the "toy universe" is described as altered with minutes outside being centuries in there.

It is also described a folded space-time (yes i know it's saying electric chair, but that's because of the place already being a folded space-time. Kind of how you would say chinese architecture, instead of just architecture when going to China. The place is literally described as folded right after and prior to this statement so its obviously referring to that)
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Also is it fine to get spatial manip via this? (soz for the double post)
 
I am not sure. Sorry. I am not very good at evaluating content revision threads unless it is an area that I am knowledgeable about.
 
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