I know I'm kinda late to this...kinda lol
But I agree and disagree with some stuff so I believe I gotta give my 2 cents
Whoever revised the pages after MK11 came out appears to have been under the impression that the 'past' characters (Liu Kang, Kung Lao, Kitana, Shao Kahn, etc.) were all taken by Kronika from the Original Timeline. I'm not sure that I understand what would lead someone to that conclusion, but it's wrong. Very wrong.
I completely agree with this part, and I believe we should keep them as separate keys for Midway and Netherrealm timelines, if it becomes too big...actually separate the profiles since take Liu Kang for example, he would need multiple keys for Midway Base, Midway Zombie, NR Base, NR Revenant and NR Fire God
The only true problem is that we also gotta separate their haxes between Midway and NR (except some that are obviously shared), may not be that much of a problem for somebody like Baraka, but Raiden and other more haxed characters can be affected
Yes, I am serious. The events detailed within the comic are no longer part of canon as of MK11. Apparently the story and voiceover director at NetherRealm has recently
said outright that the comics aren't canon anymore, so if there were any doubts about that before, this should remove them now. In fact, with the way the MK11 story has been written, it's pretty clear that this is an intentional retcon and not just Ed Boon & friends forgetting things like they usually do.
I agree aswell, and that alone nukes some feats
A lot of the characters in MK's Current Timeline are shown to have limitations far below what their current ratings are. These aren't one-off moments that can be handwaved; these are consistent showings that place a hard limit on what their capabilities are.
And please, let's not try to write this off with "this is PIS" or "the guns/bombs/missiles/tanks/chains/Koliseum door/prison cell is clearly stronger than a normal one", because neither of those arguments follow.
I understand that they, in cutscenes, literally aren't much beyond normal humans, but writers not really showing respect to how strong their characters are isn't really that new, if we take
everything from the cutscenes and their anti feats, they wouldn't be strong enough for, say, tearing any human apart with physical blows (which is 9-B in overall), something consistent with the gameplay of the series for all these years. I do agree that what we see from the new timeline isn't really impressive, but I don't see them below 9-B
Agree here, literally there isn't a MK Tournament in X and 11 happening
Let's be honest; if a character ending isn't canon, it's probably overexaggerated in some way, shape or form
I completely agree
The Fatalities are, put simply, exaggerations of what each character is capable of. Some of them are replicated in stories, cutscenes, et cetera, but most are highly contradicted by what we see the characters actually do. With the current timeline, you can see as much based on the many showings outlined elsewhere on this thread, especially in regards to higher-rated characters.
Even if you choose to ignore everything else that was outlined above regarding just how frequently the MK cast are portrayed they way they are, there's also the fact that these game animations aren't even consistent with themselves.
This doesn't kill, but
this does? Someone who can survive
this can't survive
this? Someone who lives through
this gets killed by
this?
This shit doesn't kill you, but
this does?
You can try to alleviate this by disregarding the latter showings, but at that point you're just cherrypicking
Now here I almost completely disagree
I see that your main problem with them is people not dying for similar or even higher damage in gameplay but that isn't really an argument for
a game, fighting games aren't about killing your opponent during the round 1 (for example), except for specific stuff like the Death Traps in 5, 6 and 7, the very fact that they show in both gameplay and fatalities those power and capabilities only help that the fatalities are part of what they can do, while the game part will ignore
to who they are doing (Like Baraka fataliting Raiden, for example)
Now, what I do agree, is outliers in fatalities aka Cetrion pulling a Asura's wrath 5-A feat when the
Shaking Planet and
Reshaping Netherrealm is in the Midway timeline, that isn't usable by outlier alone
Now what I believe about some stuff discussed:
I agree (And even asked about that before the CRT), that Raiden's storm feats should be Environmental Destruction for at least the NR Timeline, now that comics (with the Mountain tearing quote) is now non canon, the Midway Timeline has that Low 7-C feat that Onaga took no damage from, so...maybe could be consistent ? We have Shinnok reshaping the Netherrealm (which is infinite in size) losing to Liu Kang in MK4, I'm not saying that they are High 3-A, no, but that there is a whole lot of stuff going on at the Midway timeline that deserves its own thread and re-scalling
Also, Storm feats are scaled to physicals when they have similar feats or if the Storm Feat and the Physical shares the same energy source (like DMC for example), and I dunno if that's the case for NR Timeline Raiden, anyway it's very inconsistent
Just a question, do we accept using intro and victory poses as references for a character's powers like Shang's soulnado and Rain's thunderstorm?
I know we can't use those kinds of cinematics for feats and such but they do have some interesting powers and usage of them for some characters
I see no reason to not use it, Raiden creating natural Lightning could be 8-C+, being attacked with doesn't translate to all the energy but creating ? I believe it can
A 9-C handgun can pierce damage anyone up to 9-B, and a sniper rifle can pierce damage human sized characters up to 9-A. Piercing is also more likely to happen the bigger than target is, but any human sized character 8-C or above getting hurt by bullets is just plain bad writing. Basically the summary of it. But Mr King makes sense mostly.
Agree that most bullets are piercing damage, but since the characters are currently listed as High 8-C and bullets
consistenly harm them, I guess we can't just ignore, even more now that the very High 8-C feat is non canon.
Now, going by the calcs, only the Top Tiers like Raiden, Fujin, Weakened Cetrion, will be High 8-C to 8-B (Cetrion's earthquake), while having other 8-C feats for consistency (Fujin's Wind), which i'm fine with
So it seems that characters can be split in 3 groups:
1) Low-Mid tiers: 90% of the characters.
2) High tiers: Liu Kang, Shao Khan, Raiden, Fujin, Sindel, weakened Cetrion...
3) God tiers: Kronika, Fire God Liu Kang, Transfomed Cetrion...
Grandmaster Hanzo and Sub-Zero would be somewhere between 1 and 2, and Shinok would be between 2 and 3.
I believe this is fine aswell
