Major MHA Speed Upgrade

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Actually it does you're making the claim and must therefore provide a reason as to why he's restricting himself otherwise the best you've provided is Deku saying I'll use 8% and not Airforce

 

[Radical_Resident_Khan]

He restricting his powers not to break his arms ans mastering other percentage before using 100% to master. Also we kinda of need that cause we need an indication on how much power he is using in his fights.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

We know he relies on 8% in the fight with Shinso before saying he'll stick to 8% he says he'll refrain from Airforce and in the fight with Bakugo he had been worried for his arms the whole time which is why he never threw a punch before then and why he lowered his output to 5% you have to provide a reason for why and proof of him limiting his power to 5%

 

[Radical_Resident_Khan]

The fact he said 8% after Shinso was running away proves that he never used it earlier in the match also Deku has shown to produce an air blast at 5% during his first fight with Gran Torino after predicting his movements and air blast in the Training of the Dead OVA. He was worried cause of 100% punches has been landing from season 1 - 3 (early) that is why he never threw a punch cause of those moments. Besides we see punch Overhaul at 8% debunking the fact an 8% punch would cripple his arms.

 

[Radical_Resident_Khan]

The fact he said 8% after Shinso was running away proves that he never used it earlier in the match also Deku has shown to produce an air blast at 5% during his first fight with Gran Torino after predicting his movements and air blast in the Training of the Dead OVA. He was worried cause of 100% punches has been landing from season 1 - 3 (early) that is why he never threw a punch cause of those moments. Besides we see punch Overhaul at 8% debunking the fact an 8% punch would cripple his arms.

 

[Radical_Resident_Khan]

Sorry about that repeat. My phone was acting up

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Both of those air blasts are anime only moments.

No he was worried because of the immense damage to his arms the dude had to wear a compression sleeve for goodness sake

That was later after his arms had time to heal and he was in costume gamma which as he said supports his arms.

Here's Deku mentioning pain in his arms not long after the fight

 

[Sora_and_buff_riku]

The fact he said 8% after Shinso was running away proves that he never used it earlier in the match also Deku has shown to produce an air blast at 5% during his first fight with Gran Torino after predicting his movements and air blast in the Training of the Dead OVA. He was worried cause of 100% punches has been landing from season 1 - 3 (early) that is why he never threw a punch cause of those moments. Besides we see punch Overhaul at 8% debunking the fact an 8% punch would cripple his arms.

The reason Deku even said 8% was because he said he couldn't use 20% at least in combination with black whip. Also All Might said he would wait until 11% to 15% to tell deku that he can use ranged offensive attacks so it's pretty obvious that Hori is saying that he can only do air blast at 11% and above so him doing Air Force at 5% would contradict that and the OVA is non-cannon.

 

[Radical_Resident_Khan]

Both of those air blasts are anime only moments.

No he was worried because of the immense damage to his arms the dude had to wear a compression sleeve for goodness sake

That was later after his arms had time to heal and he was in costume gamma which as he said supports his arms.

Ok.your proved your point

 

[Radical_Resident_Khan]

The reason Deku even said 8% was because he said he couldn't use 20% at least in combination with black whip. Also All Might said he would wait until 11% to 15% to tell deku that he can use ranged offensive attacks so it's pretty obvious that Hori is saying that he can only do air blast at 11% and above so him doing Air Force at 5% would contradict that and the OVA is non-cannon.
OVA is canon since it follows Asuyi's backstory and expands it from the manga. Same with the 1st OVA which All Might's villain costume appeared in the filler epsiode of season 3 which was connected to the movie and All Might Rising OVA that was following the that managa version.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

When did Deku do an air wave in the OVA that was comparable to his current air blasts.

Also here's a question:

Why would Deku use 5% and not 8% if he's as comfortable at 8% as he is 5?

 

[Radical_Resident_Khan]

I said he did at 5% and when they were caved in

Deku is heavily holding back om his powers it what he does. He can choose to go 8% when he thinks its necessary. 20% is what he isnt comfortable with due to the strain.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

That wasn't an air wave, he punched the wall and it blew outwards.

Deku does not heavily hold back on his powers if he can use them without hurting himself. That's why he uses Air Force despite 20% hurting him, because it's for a brief time and he can handle it. Name a time when Deku heavily held back from something that didn't severely hurt him if he used it.

Deku raised his OFA usage to 8% from 5%, so that's what he uses now. Why would he go backwards in power when one of the pivotal points of his character is getting strong enough to handle all of OFA? He can comfortably handle 8%, why would he bother with 5% ever again? He only used 5% on his arms because he was worried about hurting them with that punch, but has since just used it on his whole body, especially after getting Air Force.

 

[Radical_Resident_Khan]

The punch didn't physically touch it was the blast that came from it

20% He can only access for a limited amount of time he even admitted when All Might was teaching how to use air pressure attack. Deku's full cowl percentage the weaker ones can get stronger too. Deku can gauge how much power he uses when he feels like it. If the enemy beats that said percentage than he can use a higher to show how much power he needs to beat him. The reason it was hurting cause of his emotions being riled up in the fight with his bad blood with Bakugo. Im saying Deku is not comfortable 8% im saying he has a habit of holding back his powers sometimes.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

When has he held back his power in a situation where he wasn't concerned about hurting himself? Because he's used 8% full cowl in every instance after getting it. Overhaul? 8%. Gentle? 8%. Joint training? 8%. I don't understand what point you're attempting to make.

 

[Radical_Resident_Khan]

The point I'm trying to make is Deku isn't reckless with his powers like he was back then. The fact he used 5% on his final attack on Bakugo should indicate that he isn't using so recklessly and will use to launch a surprise attack. If he used as his final attack on Bakugo what's stopping him from using 5% on other foes? He could use it as a surprise attack and since he is improving its not that far fetched.

 

[Radical_Resident_Khan]

Anyway lets just stop cause we are getting no where with this. Agree to disagree.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Ok so Iida's calc is being discarded and various characters are getting upgraded right?

 

[Damage3245]

Upgraded? If the calc is being discarded then some characters are being downgraded.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Deku scales to Gran Torino and Stain scales to Shigaraki, Todoroki scales to Stain, Bakugo scales to Deku, Tokoyami scales to Bakugo, Uraraka scales to Monoma who scales to Bakugo, Mirio and Overhaul would also be bumped up to at least supersonic+ Amajiki, Nejire, Wolfram, Gentle, and more scale to the previously mentioned characters

 

[Damage3245]

Izuku currently has a '''Mach 1.9''' calc on his profile. Being that fast would reasonably allow him to put a scratch on Gran Torino. He's still pretty clearly inferior to him even with 5%.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Deku could still perceive his movements with 5% and according to Gran Torino forced him to dodge 5% Deku also dodged the bullets without any notable difficulty

 

[Kingofwolves999]

His Mach 1.9 feat was done ridiculously casually and he had dodged dozens of bullets in a cramped hallway in the scene right before. He scales to Gran Torino, the Mach 1.9 calc is support if anything.

 

[Radical_Resident_Khan]

Also that air blast moment was from the manga. I checked.

 

[ElixirBlue]

This?

 

[Damage3245]

So from Gran Torino's words it looked like Deku wasn't keeping up with him through pure reflexes but anticipating where he would be.

 

[Radical_Resident_Khan]

Yes elixir that one. The anime copied that same scene. You can see the Chandler being wobble from Deku's 5% air blast.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Gran Torino notes that Deku was analyzing and predicting him before he got full cowl, because that was all he could do to keep up. After getting full cowl, his speed jumped several levels such that he could actually hit Torino. This forced GT to actually become serious. Casual GT has no problem dodging Deku point blank in his base, but with full cowl he can get tagged.

Also Deku forced Torino to go serious 2 minutes after getting full cowl, when he couldn't even hold it for long and it strained him. Deku with control over 5% is easily as fast as casual GT.

 

[Therefir]

King is right, when Gran Torino did the Mach 3 feat he was very casual. Deku was able keep up with him and force him to dodge seriously, and even with that he was able to scratch him.

This is how I think Izuku's speed ratings with OFA should be:

Supersonic+ with 5% (Kept up with Gran Torino, who can move this fast while being casual. Can dodge bullets with ease), higher with 8% (Bakugou stated that Izuku is multiple levels faster than before. Is the only one in Class 1-A who can react to Mirio's attacks with Permeation), Hypersonic with 20% (Overhaul was unable to perceive Izuku's movements, and could only dodge his attacks because they were too predictable), Hypersonic+ with 100% (Immensely superior to 20%)

As for Todoroki:

Athletic Human with Supersonic+ reactions and combat speed (Can somewhat keep up with Stai. Dodged a fire attack from Dabi, while Deku and Shouji were unable to do so). Supersonic (His ice was able to move at these speeds in the Final Exams Arc) to Supersonic+ attack speed and movement speed with Half-Cold (His ice is currently comparable in speed to 8% Deku). Supersonic to Supersonic+ attack speed with Half-Hot (Likely comparable to his ice)

Todoroki has shown on multiple occasions that he has a superior reaction speed to the average Class 1-A student like base Izuku, so I think his rating should be fine.

Gran Torino's speed should probably be upgraded to at least Supersonic, so people won't think Deku is fully scaling from a serious Gran Torino.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Stain should be upgraded as well along with the Big 3, Moonfish, Muscular, Aizawa, Toga, current Bakugo and perhaps Dabi

 

[Damage3245]

I'm still not keen on using that fighter pilot style calc for Overhaul's reactions.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

The current one or was there some change proposed for it?

 

[Therefir]

I'm still not keen on using that fighter pilot style calc for Overhaul's reactions.

I know the Fighter pilots' perception speed was found in special conditions, but don't expect me to assume that these people are superior to Chisaki simply because of this, Chisaki's reaction speed alone is much higher than their perception speed, we just don't use it because it would be calc stacking.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Wasn't one of the objectives of this thread to have the calcs use FTE speeds instead of peak human?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Indeed it is and Overhaul does have his feat of killing Rappa multiple times and he's said to punch as fast as bullets and is faster than a character who reacted to a bullet

Also could Overhaul's Attack speed go up 20% Deku had a difficult time dodging his attacks and implied he could dodge them because he had memorised the time span of the disassembly

 

[Therefir]

Wasn't one of the objectives of this thread to have the calcs use FTE speeds instead of peak human?

There is no perception speed for FTE characters, so those calcs cannot be updated. And no, the values shown on this page are for reaction speed.

Now with the profile updates, Iida's ratings with Recipro should be like this:

Supersonic+ with Recipro Burst (Able to outpace Stai), higher with Recipro Extent (Took Stain completely by surprise with his speed) and Recipro Turbo (Deku stated that his Recipro Turbo is much faster than Gran Torino)

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

@Therefir could Overhaul's Attack speed and Mirio's reaction speed go up?

 

[Therefir]

I'm not sure, what prevents Chisaki from simply predicting where Izuku would go and sending his spikes to that place?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Mirio also stated his attacks to be extremely fast and yet didn't have too much trouble with Chisaki himself, plus it was the earth spikes that OH used to beat Nighteye

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Shouldn't Twice's calc use the fighter pilot FPS instead of average human? He was casually reacting to and destroying Todoroki's attacks, so if Base Deku has that assumption, he should too.