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Major MHA Speed Upgrade

Could everybody please give their opinions on all the points brought up in this thread so we can reach a verdict? I'm sorry if I'm coming off as impatient but this feels like it's taking too long
 
Ok, what will the changes focus on, as a summary? (See if that approach helps)
 
Stain, Todoroki, AM, AFO, Iida, Endeavour, Hawks, Aizawa, 20% Deku and potentially 5%-8% Deku's speed values. Majority of the verse could be amped by this possibly
 
This seems pretty correct to me honestly. People in MHA are subsonic bare minimum, so being able to scale their feats from that and not just peak human is cool. Deku dodging a bullet, even without the calculation, Casual Torino being fte ad 5% forcing him to be serious, todoroki reacting to Iida who is bare minimum fte as well... seems like the feats speak for themselves.
 
I disagree with using FTE, and I'm think that's against the rules of the site. Unless Stain has a statement of running at FTE, he can only be peak human for calcs.

If it's not... I still personally disagree. Sorry, but I won't be following this thread anymore. I don't care what decision is made, but you need staff to agree as well.
 
Stain scales to an fte character, casual Gran Torino, and Iida's Recipro Burst was at least fte in the sports festival, but Todoroki reacted to it twice. Deku can even dodge bullets quite easily. I don't see why subsonic reactions for the characters as a baseline for feats and calcs would be a problem.
 
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Using fte is against the rules if it relies on a calc this does not Stain scales to a fte character
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Even so, we can't use it in the calc unless we are given an explicit reason. Like Stain slashing at Todoroki faster than he could see for example.
 
Stain bested an fte character how does that not apply? The only reason fte speeds weren't used in the that calc was it'd be calc stacking which it isn't in this case
 
Do not let the name fool you, scaling is just as bad as calcs when it comes to calc stacking. For a speed to be used, you need an explicit statement that will stay consistent at all times
 
Iida and Gran Torino are actually stated to be fte, surprisingly. They have feats supporting them being fte as well, and characters can react to them despite this. There are several scenes before and after the Stain arc that uphold mha characters being at least fte too. Honestly, I don't see why the verse shouldn't be assumed to be bare minimum subsonic for calcs, it's kinda disingenuous to continue to assume they're at most peak human.
 
That seems really weird that you can't use feats and scaling for this even though it's consistent with the verse Deku dodging bullets, Kirishima reacting to a gunshot, Deku contending with fte Gran Torino
 
That's just calc stacking in general, having feats putting you at a level does not excuse making calcs out of those numbers for a completely different feat
 
According to the rules of calc stacking that isn't how it works none of the fte mha feats are based in calcs they're all just feats that put the characters at a particular level and yet we're still assuming peak human
 
To me that just seems like a technicality and something that doesn't have much reason to be different than if calculated feats were used, but I guess you can ask around and see if this is fine
 
Stain is perfectly able to keep up with Midoriya at the start of their fight and back when Midoriya gets up for the first during their fight. This despite the fact Stain was quick enough the first time to realize Midoriya was trying to abuse the long range of his sword by getting extremely close and pulling out a danger to counteract that, and in the second encounter Midoriya notes he got even faster and couldn't avoid a second cut by his longer blade. Meanwhile, not only Stain's sword swing moved slower than Iida at full Recipro Burst speed, Stain called him fast which wasn't said to anyone else, Midoriya included if my memory is right.

I can't see them scaling.
 
Stain could react to Iida immediately after he used Recipro Burst, and that's the only thing anyone is saying should scale. These characters reaction speed should all be buffed to be able to react to Iida's Recipro Burst combat speed. There are several showings where people can react to Iida, but can't match his actual movements. Stain remarked Iida was fast because he casually avoided and stomped Iida in their first encounter, but was now showing a level he wasn't expecting. Also, he still reacted to him anyway.

Stain could block Iida and Todoroki has reacted to Recipro twice. In combat speed, Iida is superior, but characters can still react to him.

What does anyone have to say about calcs assuming characters as subsonic? There are feats and statements to back up this claim, and I feel continuing to assume peak human is downplaying the verse heavily.
 
We never use calced speeds for calcs, otherewise we would just us FTE as a baseline for calcs when characters obviously show much higher speeds instead of just normals. The fact that they have shown this speed does not, again, matter in the least unless it is something directly stated.

But I wouldn't mind merely reaction speed. In which instance did Todoroki react?
 
There are two statements for fte movement, both for the characters that effect the calcs: Torino and Iida. Iida is stated faster than the naked eye and Deku says Gran is too fast to track. And they're not calcs for the characters being subsonic, they're incredibly consistent feats, like dodging bullets, blitzing several characters meters away in an instant, things like that.

Todoroki reacted twice in the sports festival, once to get the headband and the other when fighting Iida.

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Him grabbing the headband is what was too fast for the naked eye, I don't see anything indicating the entire ball of 4 people that was Iida and his group were themselves too fast.

Being too fast to track is nowhere the same as being too fast to see, especially when Gran Torino is moving all around in a smaller space rather than in one fixed direction in an open space.
 
Torino directly blitzes Deku leaving him no way to react to him, several times. He's not just referring to his movements, it's his speed alone that makes it so Deku can't react without full cowl.

Iida used Recipro Burst, blitzed Midoriya and every other student there except Todoroki, wdym the headband grabbing was what was too fast? It's directly said that Iida had shown a new level of speed, they're praising him not Todoroki.
 
Gran Torino is stated to be faster than the eye can see by All Might if I remember correctly. It's the chapter where Gran Torino knocks out Dabi and the heroes invade the hideout.

So GT himself is FTE.
 
So Todoroki can react to him Recipro, but nobody else can? Makes sense. And you would say that a move that already doesn't make Iida FTE against people comparable would make him so against a pro hero watching and commentating while dragging along 3 other people. I am somehow not convinced. I never said anything about Todoroki so I don't see what's your point. And losing him out of sight is not an statement.

Really, Rusty? Let me see the chapter and check if that's said.
 
I actually don't know if it's in the manga, but the anime has him say that. Both the sub and the dub. I don't have access to the official viz translation, but it should be chapter 87 or 88. The scene where he K.Os Dab.

If it's not in there than, that's my bad.
 
Wdym Recipro doesn't make Iida FTE? Iida flat out blitzes several people by using Recipro Burst, is that not fte? Present Mic being able to react or not doesn't matter since all that matters is that Iida blitzed 4 people looking directly at him in an instant, but Todoroki could react to it. Twice. And Iida was called faster than the naked eye for doing so. Present Mic is praising Iida's super speed not the headband grabbing..

In the anime, GT is stated to be faster than the eye can see. In the manga he's called "the speediest old man" or something along those lines. So I guess that counts, it's a translation thing I think, but the anime might not be relevant for translations.

Also, Deku could track and predict Torino the day before he got full cowl, so clearly it isn't Torino's movements themselves that make him hard to track. Deku only notes his speed when referring to not being able to track him. The anime supports this by saying that Torino is too fast for his eyes to follow, but again, idk how the anime is perceived in terms of canon.

The anime seems to be firm about Torino being FTE but I'm not sure how canon or accurate it is accepted in comparison to the original source. Idk, however it should be handled ig.

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No problem. I checked and the best I could get was "The speediest oldster hero around, Gran Torino" from the manga.

Perhaps the manga just used an entirely different translation but not sure.
 
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