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True but that doesn't take away GT's speed superiority to base Deku. Base Deku's reaction speed is in question though.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
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Major MHA Speed Upgrade
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Gran Torino has still blatantly moved at fte speeds before and Deku launching that couch was part of his plan to catch GT since he knew he'd seen him and would approach him so he could be caught
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Predicting someone's actions isn't a speed feat.
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I agree with this, and this scene supports Stain being FTE, in which he frees himself from his ties, approaches a Pro Hero several meters away from him and licks her face, and stabs the Noumu before anyone could do anything to stop him, even Gran Torino did nothing, and I'm pretty sure he didn't know Stain was trying to save Izuku.
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@Elixir never said it was
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I still don't like FTE for any calcs, but I do agree with the Hypersonic scaling.
Apologies if I came off as rude earlier.
Apologies if I came off as rude earlier.
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It's quite alright
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Bump also Elixir do you agree with the proposed changes?
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Ok considering more people agree than disagree on this can the changes be implemented?
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I can update the calc, but after checking the scaling and consistency of the verse, I'm beginning to see how confusing the profiles would be with this upgrade.
Still, we can't just hide the outlier and say that hardly anyone scales from Recipro Burst, because clearly that's not the case.
Still, we can't just hide the outlier and say that hardly anyone scales from Recipro Burst, because clearly that's not the case.
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So here's my proposal: To discard Iida's calc in its entirety, as its result is much higher than anything else in the verse, and it greatly damages the scaling and consistency of all the characters. For example, all the students would have Hypersonic+ reactions as they can react to each other on a regular basis, and nowhere is it stated that Todoroki is much faster than everyone else to the point of being able to blitz them with his attacks.
Of course, this would mean that certain Top tiers characters would be downgraded to Hypersonic, but that's far better than messing up the whole verse.
Of course, this would mean that certain Top tiers characters would be downgraded to Hypersonic, but that's far better than messing up the whole verse.
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Fair enough but various characters would be boosted though since 5% Deku could react to GT who is supersonic+ and Todoroki reacted to Stain as well who is supersonic+
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I would support discarding Iida's calc and seeing how that adjusts the ratings of the verse.
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I can agree with dropping the calc as well.
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The problem is that 5% Deku would be scaling from someone faster than characters that are superior to his 8%, such as Mirio, Sir Nighteye, and Chisaki, who scale from a feat inferior to that of Gran Torino.Insert creative name here 12 said:
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I mean, Deku did react to Mirio and turned around to counter attack him but Mirio used his quirk to bypass Deku's attack.
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Sir Nighteye was already dodging because of Foresight.
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That should be fine who knows maybe we'll get some more speed feats in the movie or something
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Nighteye's calc gets upgraded since Twice scales to Todoroki though, so the scaling should still makes those characters faster than 5% Deku.
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Oh yeah that's true several liberation members could react to Toga as well but the problem is substituting a proper value for Twice's perception
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Bump
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I don't see how Twice and Todoroki are faster than 5% Deku
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Are you saying 20% Deku can blitz Todoroki?
And despite what happened the obstacle course, Base Deku and Todoroki have the same speed?
Or Todoroki has the same speed as 5% Deku, despite Todoroki matching pace with Bakugo, when Bakugo can match pace with 8% Deku.
And despite what happened the obstacle course, Base Deku and Todoroki have the same speed?
Or Todoroki has the same speed as 5% Deku, despite Todoroki matching pace with Bakugo, when Bakugo can match pace with 8% Deku.
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That was in the sports festival tho. Bakugo is faster than he was in previous arcs so Todoroki has yet to scale to 8% Deku and how does that support the facg that Twice and Todoroki are faster than 5% Deku?
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Todoroki is faster than 5% or at least comparable he's been shown to react to Recipro Burst and Stain and currently yes he's been shown keeping up with 8% Deku when they were chasing Endeavour
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Why would it be upgraded?Kingofwolves999 said:
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Reacting to Recipro Burst doesnt mean he is faster he has faster reaction time at least same with Stain. Its unclear if Deku was using 8% when he was chasing Endeavor cause every time he starts up Full Cowl its moslty 5% and the times you can tell he used more than that if he mentioned it or is raged out a bit.Insert creative name here 12 said:
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Deku's regular limit is 8% there's quite literally no reason to assume he wouldn't use 8% since it's notably faster and stronger than 5% and has no extra drawbacks
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Deku's limit is 20% not 8% anymore. Not only that but Deku heavily holds back more of his abilities then mosg of the other characters.Insert creative name here 12 said:
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@Khan; Deku's limit is 20% but he doesn't regularly use 20%.
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I wonder why Deku is even restraining himself so much by his own admission he could probably maintain 10-15% now
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Deku uses 8% as his normal full cowl, he stopped using 5% after fighting Bakugo. 20% is his limit because it hurts him to use, 8% is what he actually uses because it's what he can comfortably fight with.
We actually don't know what percentage Deku is using currently as he stated 10-15% is comfortable to him now, so his full cowl might be higher but he just hasn't said so.
Nighteye's calc gets upgraded because Twice is subsonic bare minimum scaling to Todoroki. In that calc he's assumed to have only average human perception speed.
We actually don't know what percentage Deku is using currently as he stated 10-15% is comfortable to him now, so his full cowl might be higher but he just hasn't said so.
Nighteye's calc gets upgraded because Twice is subsonic bare minimum scaling to Todoroki. In that calc he's assumed to have only average human perception speed.
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@King I'm all for that but determining Twice's perception is the issue
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I can tell you why he was holding back more than 8%
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Why?Radical Resident Khan said:
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Why?
In the final match, when Shinso's surprise attack failed on Deku and he was running away, Deku in his mind said 8% meaning that through out the entirety of this series (execpt for the Overhaul arc and Gentle) he was using 5% this whole time before using any higher percentage. Not only that but he surpressed his power back to 5% when he was landing hia final attack on Bakugo im their second fight.
In the final match, when Shinso's surprise attack failed on Deku and he was running away, Deku in his mind said 8% meaning that through out the entirety of this series (execpt for the Overhaul arc and Gentle) he was using 5% this whole time before using any higher percentage. Not only that but he surpressed his power back to 5% when he was landing hia final attack on Bakugo im their second fight.
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That means nothing as I've said there's literally no reason to assume he'd hold back to 5% since 8% is better in every way and has no extra drawbacks attached to it and he suppressed his strength to 5% vs Bakugo because he was gonna punch him and was worried for his arms
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It actually does goes that means he isnt always using 8% all the time if he was surpressing his power not to break he never said he couldnt use them. It may not have a drawback but it doesnt debunk the point of what i said.Insert creative name here 12 said:
